Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

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weezy potter said:
i agree with that post.

what i was saying was, if the coaches knew the girls were going, and nobody from UT was paying their way and/or there was no anticipation of a recruiting violation being made, then i doubt that would constitute 'lack of institutional control'.

the scenario you just described would without a doubt bring some consequences.
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Bama wasn't cited for lack of institutional control either, so that is not much comfort.
 
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strongtower said:
It has been but the news is so weak their not really plastering it like they did with the Nuke hold up deal. I seen like 2 maybe 3 reports in 4-5 hours.
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That changed about 1:30....including editorial comments that CLK was good for UT on the field. Off the field, CLK has stirred things up in college football, sometimes that causes unwanted attention (parapharsing).

I hope this is saber rattling by the NCAA...
 
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I wouldn't travel 200 miles to see my HS alma mater play football. I don't understand why so many people seem to think that it's not unusual for college girls to drive 200 miles, at their own expense, to see a high school football game involving high schools that they did not attend. For those of you who think this isn't unusual, have you or any of your buddies ever done that?
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Kids at my school do that routinely.

Not to mention over thanksgiving break I took a trip to an allstar high school basketball matchup-Tristan Thompson vs. Quincy Miller. It isn't too far-fetched in my mind to think that hostesses that have already spent time with top athletes would travel to see those top athletes in action?? Don't you think if BB lived decently close, Lacey would have made a trip to go see him?
 
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tigervol9802 said:
And I seriously doubt this would qualify.
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Maybe not regarding the football coaching staff. It is entirely possible that Kiffin and his staff had absolutely nothing to do with it. It is highly probably that nothing can be traced to the football staff.

However, if it was the hostess group, an official university organization, and their travel expenses were paid (that certainly requires institutional involvement), and their purpose was to recruit football players, how do the athletic department and Hamilton not have responsibility for oversight? And if they didn't know what's going on, isn't that the very definition of lack of institutional control?
 
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dyer_maker said:
Guys, this radio show rumor is stupid. Even if it was said we have no way of knowing the context of it. They could have been joking about the whole situation and absurdly speculating about what else may have happened. If they said there was a hotel room where the players partied and that was that, perhaps, but to include the whole credit card thing, please. Point being it's a SC radio show that's not going to show favor for UT.
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Exactly. No way Kiffin is dumb enough to do this.
 
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Whats UT to do... Maybe put someone in charge or the girls... Or better yet explain the rules to them.. That would probably be too hard. So yes.... Institutional control is in play here.
 
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This is an interesting investigation. Obviously, something (or someone) tipped off the NCAA to this. Was it a rival school, or just the fact that it was blatant that girls were holding up visible signs to a school 200 miles away from their homes? Why hasn't anyone thrown USCjr in to the mix of who could have blown a whistle at this? They are in their backyard, they CANT STAND us, and would love any way to get back at us. Either way, we need to break down exactly what could come of this:

-First off, did the girls actually have face-to-face contact with the recruits? By simply going, holding up signs and leaving, I simply cannot see a problem with that. I know that the NCAA is very strict and stingy with certain rules, but come on, there cannot be something wrong with a visual sign such as that. Now that being said, if the girls had immediate contact with them, that could be an issue.

-Who funded the trip? Did the Athletic Department front the bill? That could come in to play, but only if the girls had immediate contact with the recruits. I'm sure there is some sort of expense account for travel, etc... Not sure what the exact specifications are to groups such as this.

-As for Lane, Hammy and Co., there is just no way I can see them OK'ing something like this. I understand the Twitter deal, stupid things happen like that, but girls leaving campus to go 200 miles (on UT's bill, mind you), visiting recruits face-to-face and having immediate contact with them, I just can't see them giving permission to something like that. I also have to believe that with all the recruiting scrutiny that we have already dealt with, there is NO WAY that these groups make trips and such like this without Hamilton having any idea, I don't believe that for a second. I'm sure all groups geared towards this type of thing HAVE to be cleared or OK'd for ANYTHING as big as a deal as it is reporting.

-In turn, this seems to be whistles that were blown from rival coaches or AD's...there is no other reasonable explanation. I don't expect much to come from this at all...there will be no evidence to prove ANYTHING anyways, so it doesn't matter. Now, will it hurt recruiting? Possibly, not really something that will HELP, but Lane knows what the hell to do. As Seinfeld would say, this is Much 'ado about nothin'....
 
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Vol-Fox said:
The hostesses did not go to games in Florida, but texted some of them I believe.
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Hopefully you are right, but remember that we are in the very beginning of this. At the beginning of another scandal that recently hit the news, we only knew of one woman Tiger was messing around with.

The NYT article said that the hostess issue was "a significant part of the investigation", in other words, there's something else too. When I see words like "wide-ranging", "unusual in scope", and "strong interest" in connection with an NCAA investigation, I worry.
 
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In the ESPN article it calls these players "Oral" commits, rather than verbal. Real classy ESPN. Every joke on their discussion board is about how these hostesses are prostitutes and got the players to "orally" commit. That can't be by accident.
 
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boroboy said:
Hopefully you are right, but remember that we are in the very beginning of this. At the beginning of another scandal that recently hit the news, we only knew of one woman Tiger was messing around with.

The NYT article said that the hostess issue was "a significant part of the investigation", in other words, there's something else too. When I see words like "wide-ranging", "unusual in scope", and "strong interest" in connection with an NCAA investigation, I worry.
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What should make you not worry is that the NCAA has not sent us a letter that they are required to do informing us of their official investigation. Thus, it seems as if this is some sort of informal fishing expedition. If the evidence was as strong as some suggest, I imagine there would be an official investigation.
 
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Given that this is making headlines on all the major sports media outlets and most of the major online non-sports media outlets, I'd say it is more serious than many people think. I would not be surprised if some of these girls were doing some pretty unethical things at the behest of powerful people in the shadows. At the very least, it is going to blow up and bring a ton of negative attention to UT. Of course, no press is bad press, or so they say...

And boy oh boy, Urban Meyer and Gator Nation must be grinning through their tears right now.
 
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carolinaviking said:
I would not be surprised if some of these girls were doing some pretty unethical things at the behest of powerful people in the shadows. At the very least, it is going to blow up and bring a ton of negative attention to UT. Of course, no press is bad press, or so they say...
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Yea I'm sure these recruits care about the ethical behaviors of these chicks. Get a grip. This in no way is negative for UT.
 
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The reason it's on all of the major sports media outlets is because the New York Times reported it, and because of the fact that Lane Kiffin has brought so much attention to this program.
 
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There is some irony to this....

After Danny Ford won the NC at Clemson he was on top of the world... then it all came crashing down. Why? The NCAA discovered that hostesses were being paid and then sleeping with prospects among other recruiting irregularities.

Do you know who turned him in? It happened to be the HC of NC State at the time... One Monte Kiffin.
 
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GoVols said:
-In turn, this seems to be whistles that were blown from rival coaches or AD's...there is no other reasonable explanation.
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Actually, I think it may have started with a HS coach or AD...maybe one that went to a rival school. Maybe someone in Pahokee hasn't yet forgiven UT and Kiffin. If the NCAA had already interviewed multiple players in multiple states...some of whom aren't even UT commits...how many HS coaches, ADs, parents, relatives, and friends of the interviewees knew about the NCAA investigation long before we didh
 
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carolinaviking said:
Given that this is making headlines on all the major sports media outlets and most of the major online non-sports media outlets, I'd say it is more serious than many people think. I would not be surprised if some of these girls were doing some pretty unethical things at the behest of powerful people in the shadows. At the very least, it is going to blow up and bring a ton of negative attention to UT. Of course, no press is bad press, or so they say...

And boy oh boy, Urban Meyer and Gator Nation must be grinning through their tears right now.
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So what your are saying is that if a guy in Arkansas robs a bank wearing a UT hat, that he is representing the University and somehow that reflects badly on UT.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Yes, because them merely mentioning message boards on ESPN just proves that's why the NCAA started the investigation.
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Not my point. It provides ESPN and news outlets material to sensationalize the story and spew negativity. I'm not alone in my disbelief that people want to come on hear and spout rumors about particular hostesses. I think it's irresponsible and shows a level immaturity that's rampant on here.
 
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There WERE pictures of a recruit of ours on facebook with an alabama hostess that she had tagged him in. That picture is now gone. Is this the same type of violation?
 
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boroboy said:
Hopefully you are right, but remember that we are in the very beginning of this. At the beginning of another scandal that recently hit the news, we only knew of one woman Tiger was messing around with.

The NYT article said that the hostess issue was "a significant part of the investigation", in other words, there's something else too. When I see words like "wide-ranging", "unusual in scope", and "strong interest" in connection with an NCAA investigation, I worry.
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Read Clay's article: NCAA Probes Tennessee Hostesses -- NCAAFB FanHouse
 
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dyer_maker said:
Not my point. It provides ESPN and news outlets material to sensationalize the story and spew negativity. I'm not alone in my disbelief that people want to come on hear and spout rumors about particular hostesses. I think it's irresponsible and shows a level immaturity that's rampant on here.
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You do realize that a lot of the people that post on here are NOT actual UT fans, don't you?
Any reference to a fan based web site or message board by a media outlet is just stupid.
The NCAA would not and can not hold the University or athletic program liable for any thing posted here. The investigation came from the HS coach in SC reporting the girls being at the game.
 
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