Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

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SpringBokVol said:
I have yet to see a bylaw in the NCAA recruiting codes and conduct where this is an infraction of any kind.
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Because the hostesses are considered an extension of the university, it could be considered a violation of NCAA rules if they helped recruit prospective athletes off campus.

the only question then is ... did these hostess visits, with signs or whatever, take place during the recruiting process of a player that did sign with Tennessee. if it did... then its a clear violation no?
 
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Also, take note of the comments that were left at the bottom along with the names...hint, hint
 
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BasketVolKid said:
this kind of thing seems to have happened on more than just 1 occasion. is this not a clear, out in the open, NCAA violation?
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I don't pretend to know all of the NCAA regulations, but no, it is not a clear, out in the open violation.

At worst, it is illegal contact by a tertiary member of the athletic department. At least, it is some college chicks attending a highschool football game.

I have a hard time finding much meat in either interpretation. If there isn't more to the story than what was presented in the article, there isn't much to the story, IMO.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
Because the hostesses are considered an extension of the university, it could be considered a violation of NCAA rules if they helped recruit prospective athletes off campus.
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Ok, now explain to us how they are an extension of the university when they weren't acting in their official capacities as they were here.
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
While this isn't a major violation and isn't directly related to the university, it has to be a BIG concern. I would suspect that the NCAA will open a major investigation into the program now. Having worked for NCAA institutions, after 'allegedly' being accused of six secondary violations in one year, the NCAA typically will do an intensive major violation investigation.

But, again not saying it's fair...Sounds like a lot of other coaches are trying to knock Kiffin down while they can. There are plenty of other university hostesses that do the same thing and are even more 'intense' than those at UT.
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Schools report hun*dreds of secondary violations every year.
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Melick: Coaches not afraid of NCAA secondary violations | X's and Uh-oh's - al.com - al.com
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I have yet to see a bylaw in the NCAA recruiting codes and conduct where this is an infraction of any kind.
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What recourse do schools have when the NCAA interferes with recruiting by trying to intimidate unsigned commits?

If we were Bama, being under NCAA investigation, would be normal as it is their perpetual state. But, we really don't even have that many secondary violations--just a media that blew those out of proportion.
 
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So what would happen if Tennessee fans, these hostesses decided to go to the game and pretend to be Florida or bama fans? What if they were really UT fans but holding up bama signs? Does bama then get a violation?
 
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This seems so weak to me. So if Kiffin had called them volunteer student coaches it would have been ok, but since they are called hostesses and are female it's a problem. I'm really glad this is all the NCAA has to worry about it.
 
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BasketVolKid said:
Because the hostesses are considered an extension of the university, it could be considered a violation of NCAA rules if they helped recruit prospective athletes off campus.

the only question then is ... did these hostess visits, with signs or whatever, take place during the recruiting process of a player that did sign with Tennessee. if it did... then its a clear violation no?
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Yes, it could be if it was orchastrated and planned.

not a violation if these girls met these recruits while at camp or on a visit and decided to be friends with them on their own accord and then decided to take a road trip to watch some football. It's college for crying out load. Road trips are the best.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Ok, now explain to us how they are an extension of the university when they weren't acting in their official capacities as they were here.
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It could fall under something comparable to if you are an employee of a company you are an "extension of that company".

I know some companies have policies in place where emplyoees cannot make post or references about their employers on Myspace of Facebook.

The same logic is implied with the hostess/NCAA situation. I'm sure to be a hostess, you have to be approved by the University and the University is responsible for making sure the hostesses follow the rules. If they don't, the NCAA steps in.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Texting is not allowed per NCAA rules in recruiting. Which means that if a representative of the university starts texting a recruit, then things can start going downhill. It's something that people just don't understand about recruiting, is that these kids are protected by the NCAA.
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I thought Urban Meyer wasn't cheating when he texted Nu'Keese?
 
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615 Vol said:
So what would happen if Tennessee fans, these hostesses decided to go to the game and pretend to be Florida or bama fans? What if they were really UT fans but holding up bama signs? Does bama then get a violation?
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That's what I'm thinking.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Yes, it could be if it was orchastrated and planned.

not a violation if these girls met these recruits while at camp or on a visit and decided to be friends with them on their own accord and then decided to take a road trip to watch some football. It's college for crying out load. Road trips are the best.
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lol, nothing college girls love more than going after high school guys. makes sense.

"hey girl X, there's this great party tonight and a bunch of the hot football players are going to be there. We'll drink for free and who knows what will happen."
"No, girl Y, college guys are so immature. Let's drive a couple hours to go see this high school football game. you remember high school, right? we graduated from it a few years ago but like 99% of hot college girls, we haven't moved on yet."
 
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Seriously, what would stop a school from framing another school by planting phony fans of rival school at a high school game? Seems all Tennessee would have to do is send these girls out in bama apparel with "Roll Tide, 12 National Championships" and "come to bama" signs.

Everyone would believe they were bama fans by the reference to 12 nc's since no one else believes they have that many and bama would get a violation.

My point is how do they prove the school is involved?
 
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Look folks... IMO it looks like this is worse than it really is! It will be hard to prove that the hostesses do more than just give hugs and show recruits around campus. The only way is if the investigators get recruits, themselves, to admit they received sexual favors from the hostesses which I do not think they will (especially if they are committed to Tennessee and know that it incriminates their future school). Moreover, are these kids going to admit they did anything with these girls in front of their parents' and the public eye?! NO! The NCAA will conduct a full investigation resulting in a warning for us and the rest of the nation. We will just peel back on our use of Vol hostesses.

The worst that comes out of this is UT's name getting dragged through the mud, which seems to be a common practice in the Lane Kiffin era! I'm definitely sick of the dwindling image of MYYY alma mater in the public's eyes! I love Kiffin, but its time he starts using those politically correct answers instead of attacking other programs and coaches!!!
 
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cotton said:
I don't pretend to know all of the NCAA regulations, but no, it is not a clear, out in the open violation.

At worst, it is illegal contact by a tertiary member of the athletic department. At least, it is some college chicks attending a highschool football game.

I have a hard time finding much meat in either interpretation. If there isn't more to the story than what was presented in the article, there isn't much to the story, IMO.
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you're presuming that all these girls did was wave a sign in the stands. Not to mention, it's flat out ignorant to classify what's being reported as simply some college girls attending a game - they were yelling at them to come to UT and holding Vol signs for heaven's sake. Even that might be seen as more than just a "casual greeting", which is the only kind of contact allowed between university reps and prospects. Any representative of the University, "tertiary" or otherwise, is treated the same by the NCAA bylaws when it comes to in person, off campus contacts with prospective student athletes.

At best, this investigation fails to find proof that any further contact took place and slaps UT on the wrist. At worst, details of post-game frolicking or other more "intimate" activites will be uncovered, in which case...DUCK!!!!!
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Ok, now explain to us how they are an extension of the university when they weren't acting in their official capacities as they were here.
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ok so there is no evidence mike hamilton or kiffin told these hostesses to go hold up signs at recruit's high school games.

but as a hostess... you are acting for the university... when you let people stay with you... show them around campus... etc whatever.

but since it isn't officially part of the hostess job to travel to high school football games and hold up signs... we are free and clear?
 
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