Tennessee Talent Compared to Other Programs

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Here's my list of 4/5 star kids still on the team...

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Sarms58 said:
Here's my list of 4/5 start kids still on the team...
# Player Pos Ht Wt (lbs) Age Yr Hometown
21 Jalen Reeves-Maybin LB 6' 0" 230 21 Senior 3V Clarksville, Tennessee
60 Austin Sanders OL 6' 5" 310 21 Senior 3V Cleveland, Tennessee
9 Derek Barnett DE 6' 3" 265 20 Junior 2V Nashville, Tennessee
17 Dillon Bates LB 6' 3" 220 21 Junior 2V Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida
29 Evan Berry DB 5' 11" 207 21 Junior 2V Fairburn, Georgia
74 Dontavius Blair OL 6' 7" 294 23 Senior 4V Anniston, Alabama
7 Rashaan Gaulden DB 6' 1" 185 21 Junior 2V Spring Hill, Tennessee
1 Jalen Hurd RB 6' 4" 240 20 Junior 2V Hendersonville, Tennessee
24 Todd Kelly Jr. DB 5' 11" 208 21 Junior 2V Knoxville, Tennessee
3 Josh Malone WR 6' 3" 200 20 Junior 2V Gallatin, Tennessee
20 Cortez McDowell LB 6' 0" 235 20 Junior 2V Locust Grove, Georgia
50 Venzell Boulware OL 6' 3" 306 19 Sophomore 1V Union City, Georgia
52 Andrew Butcher DL 6' 2" 257 19 Sophomore 1V Alpharetta, Georgia
12 Quinten Dormady QB 6' 4" 216 20 Sophomore 1V Boerne, Texas
15 Jauan Jennings WR 6' 3" 205 19 Sophomore 1V Murfreesboro, Tennessee
66 Jack Jones OL 6' 4" 307 20 Sophomore 1V Murfreesboro, Tennessee
13 Sheriron Jones QB 6' 2" 208 20 Sophomore 1V Perris, California
6 Alvin Kamara RB 5' 10" 215 20 Senior 3V Norcross, Georgia
8 Justin Martin DB 6' 1" 183 21 Junior 2V Antioch, Tennessee
99 Kahlil McKenzie DL 6' 3" 325 19 Sophomore 1V Walnut Creek, California
5 Kyle Phillips DL 6' 4" 259 19 Sophomore 1V Nashville, Tennessee
51 Drew Richmond OL 6' 5" 301 Sophomore 1V Memphis, Tennessee
14 Quart'e Sapp LB 6' 2" 220 19 Sophomore 1V Alpharetta, Georgia
19 Darrell Taylor DL 6' 4" 240 19 Sophomore 1V Waverly, Virginia
2 Shy Tuttle DL 6' 2" 311 21 Sophomore 1V Midway, North Carolina
7 Preston Williams WR 6' 4" 209 19 Sophomore 1V Hampton, Georgia
34 Darrin Kirkland Jr. LB 6' 1" 230 20 Sophomore 1V Indianapolis, Indiana
35 Daniel Bituli LB 6' 3" 235 19 Freshman HS Antioch, Tennessee
48 Ja'Quain Blakely LB 6' 2" 230 Freshman HS Moultrie, Georgia
10 Tyler Byrd WR 6' 0" 195 20 Freshman HS Naples, Florida
9 Marquez Callaway WR 6' 2" 190 18 Freshman HS Warner Robins, Georgia
19 Jeff George WR 6' 6" 195 Senior 3V Leavenworth, Kansas
2 Jarrett Guarantano QB 6' 4" 205 19 Freshman HS Lodi, New Jersey
70 Ryan Johnson OL 6' 6" 275 20 Freshman HS Brentwood, Tennessee
98 Alexis Johnson DL 6' 4" 295 Junior 2V Atlanta, Georgia
1 Jonathan Kongbo DL 6' 6" 270 Junior 2V Surrey, British Columbia
3 Marquill Osborne DB 5' 11" 188 Freshman HS Cornelius, North Carolina
18 Nigel Warrior DB 6' 0" 186 19 Freshman HS Duluth, Georgia
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Thanks for that list buddy. What did you use though? Hopefully you used 247 Sports composite to get the overall * rankings. Thanks!
 
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ajvol01 said:
Need to use 247 composite for this to be accurate IMO.
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I've done a similar evaluation as the OP for many years, 24/7 composite correlates less strongly to wins than rivals singularly. In essence the last time I ran those numbers 24/7 composite numbers favored their own evaluations more than other services, and their evals weren't as good. Maybe that's changed recently, but I doubt it.
 
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daj2576 said:
I've done a similar evaluation as the OP for many years, 24/7 composite correlates less strongly to wins than rivals singularly. In essence the last time I ran those numbers 24/7 composite numbers favored their own evaluations more than other services, and their evals weren't as good. Maybe that's changed recently, but I doubt it.
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Still doesn't matter. 247 composite is what should be used & not Rivals or Scout or any other recruiting service. The composite way is the way to go. :good!:
 
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The whole point of this thread is to show you how out of whack preseason expectations of a playoff or NC team are. Said it all summer, we were 21 points from being 6-6 last season so we aren't that good. 10 wins is about the best this team could do, 8-9 is more reality
 
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Sarms58 said:
Here's my list of 4/5 star kids still on the team...

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That's a lot of 4-5* kids but not when you compare this to Bama & a few others schools. Almost every recruit/player is 4* & 5* player. That's where we're hurting.

You just can't beat that type of recruiting. Butch has picked us back up but I don't know if we'll ever be up there with teams like a Bama when it comes to recruiting. Thanks!
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Louisville has 12 blue chippers on their 2016 roster; Houston has 8. (source: link provided above)

Overall, Louisville is the 30th most talented team in 2016 per the team composite; Houston is at #52. We are #12.
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Thanks, That is better than I actually thought. Even with the underperformance of the team. I still would not want Petrino. For all of Butches faults it has been nice not to read about as many off field issues as the past.
 
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tonybologna said:
That's a lot of 4-5* kids but not when you compare this to Bama & a few others schools. Almost every recruit/player is 4* & 5* player. That's where we're hurting.

You just can't beat that type of recruiting. Butch has picked us back up but I don't know if we'll ever be up there with teams like a Bama when it comes to recruiting. Thanks!
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Bama has about 70 kids on their team this year who were 4/5 stars...
 
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tonybologna said:
Still doesn't matter. 247 composite is what should be used & not Rivals or Scout or any other recruiting service. The composite way is the way to go. :good!:
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What doesn't matter?

The fact that Rivals has a far better predictive ability than the others? And, a longer timeline of data with which to check?

It makes no sense to demand use of something that isn't as good as others, all other things being equal.
 
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Folks I didn't read through the whole thread. I caught enough in the first few post. Quit chasing rainbows. Either you know how to win or you don't. The only coach that displayed winning abilities w in last 10 years was the much hated kiffin He had us a chance to win in 95 percent of our games w an outmanned roster. If u don't put a scare into folks in year one( as he did bama) and beat em in year two( as Hugh freeze did) then the writing is on the wall. As much as these guys get paid, win or hit the road
 
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bigdaddy said:
The whole point of this thread is to show you how out of whack preseason expectations of a playoff or NC team are. Said it all summer, we were 21 points from being 6-6 last season so we aren't that good. 10 wins is about the best this team could do, 8-9 is more reality
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9-3 is the most likely outcome, based on objective talent analysis. Anything substantially above or below that mark is unlikely, though not impossible. The key is that while UT's talent has been undervalued for the previous two seasons, it has been overvalued this season by the majority of the fans and the sports media.

It should be noted that at UT Butch has trended -2, -2, and -1 below what these talent analysis predict (1 and 2/3 game below predictions a year on average). Further, Butch has a history before his arrival at UT of a significant over-performance of 3+ games a year. Regardless, his tenure at UT puts him in the meat of what would be expected by about 70% of existing coaches using these matrices.
 
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Malivol said:
Folks I didn't read through the whole thread. I caught enough in the first few post. Quit chasing rainbows. Either you know how to win or you don't. The only coach that displayed winning abilities w in last 10 years was the much hated kiffin He had us a chance to win in 95 percent of our games w an outmanned roster. If u don't put a scare into folks in year one( as he did bama) and beat em in year two( as Hugh freeze did) then the writing is on the wall. As much as these guys get paid, win or hit the road
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Get back to work at the Zippy Mart
 
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Malivol said:
Folks I didn't read through the whole thread. I caught enough in the first few post. Quit chasing rainbows. Either you know how to win or you don't. The only coach that displayed winning abilities w in last 10 years was the much hated kiffin He had us a chance to win in 95 percent of our games w an outmanned roster. If u don't put a scare into folks in year one( as he did bama) and beat em in year two( as Hugh freeze did) then the writing is on the wall. As much as these guys get paid, win or hit the road
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This is categorically false. Using a trailing four year talent evaluation, Kiff performed at a rate well below average. Kiffin lost to 3 teams that the talent on the roster would have predicted as wins (UCLA, Ole Miss, and Va Tech). That puts him at only slightly better than what Dooley did in comparison to talent. The larger effects from depletion and sliding recruiting were shouldered by Dooley. This performance was not atypical for Kiff, and is also why he got left on the tarmac after losing his dream job.
 
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daj2576 said:
What doesn't matter?

The fact that Rivals has a far better predictive ability than the others? And, a longer timeline of data with which to check?

It makes no sense to demand use of something that isn't as good as others, all other things being equal.
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I'm saying in the end using places like Rivals or Scout individually doesn't matter. 247 composite is the absolute best way to determine whether a recruit is a 1*-5* recruit.

That's exactly what I'm saying. In my opinion along with a many other Vol fans on this forum they also believe 247 Sports composite is the way to go. That's what I was trying to say sir. Thanks!
 
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bigdaddy said:
The whole point of this thread is to show you how out of whack preseason expectations of a playoff or NC team are. Said it all summer, we were 21 points from being 6-6 last season so we aren't that good. 10 wins is about the best this team could do, 8-9 is more reality
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But we were only 17 points from being 13-0. :)
 
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