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VFL-82-JP said:
Here's some food for thought for those who remain worried about our students and student-athletes and Covid-19.

Over the past month, we've seen a flood of news stories about groups of returning students getting Covid. Most of those articles involved a lot of heavy mouth-breathing, doom and gloom.

A quick google search for "students testing positive" turned up thousands of results. Just grabbing a handful that you might have seen or read in the news yourself:
  • 26 July (38 days ago) - students test positive after taking ACT test at Oklahoma high school
  • 10 August (23 days ago) - 9 students and staff at Georgia high school where viral hallway photo was taken
  • 10 August (23 days ago) - 33 students at Notre Dame (ND)
  • 14 August (19 days ago) - 75 students at Iowa State (ISU)
  • 18 August (15 days ago) - 130 students at University of North Carolina (UNC)
  • 20 August (13 days ago) - 60 students at Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT)
  • 25 August (8 days ago) - "dozens" of students at the University of Southern California (USC)
  • 29 August (4 days ago) - 1,200 students at University of Alabama (UA)
Links provided at the bottom of this post. These truly are just a small sample of the stories that got published by the media about the start of school. I remember a story about LSU, and another specifically about LSU's linemen, but neither of those articles showed up in the first 50-75 search results, so I couldn't include them here.

Now, time for a little thinking. What's curious about those stories? They all share a key trait. Can you spot it?

...

No follow-up. Half of those stories are already more than two weeks old. Hundreds of students involved. And not one word about how things turned out.

Why not?

Well, because it's not news. It's boring. They all got better. Many of them actually never felt sick. Things are fine.

Things are fine.

Over and over again, things turn out fine.

We'll probably never hear again about those 1,200 Bama students. Because they'll probably all be fine, too.

Now...it is a statistical certainty that eventually some student will get hospitalized. Probably a student with other contributing health problems like asthma, or diabetes, or any of a number of other things that help make the body more vulnerable. We might even, hopefully not but maybe, see a student die of covid eventually. We know this disease _can_ kill even the young, very, very rarely.

That outlier will not change the reality. Things are fine.

As time goes on and there continue to be no follow-up stories to all these reports of students testing positive, let's do a couple of things:

1. Be thankful. This disease could have been far worse than it is.
2. Be calm and a little more confident about the future. The sooner we incorporate Covid-19 into the fabric of "normal life" the way we deal with the flu, and heart disease, and car accidents, the better off our nation will be.
3. Oh, and to the extent we can, take politics out of it. This isn't about Trump or Biden, it's about people like you and me, and our kids and parents. Let's put down our tribal war regalia and be reasonable with each other.

Bless you all, be safe. Go Vols!


More than 1,200 students test positive for COVID-19 at major university
Georgia students test positive for COVID-19 after viral school photo
Dozens of University of Southern California students test positive for COVID-19
Two students tested positive for coronavirus after taking the ACT at an Oklahoma high school - CNN
UNC-Chapel Hill reverses plans for in-person classes after 130 students test positive for Covid-19 - CNN
Sixty RIT students test positive for COVID before arrival on campus
2 UConn Students Test Positive for COVID-19 During Move-In
Three UMaine students test positive for COVID-19
Another 75 Iowa State students have tested positive for COVID-19, university reports
Less than 1% of Notre Dame students test positive for COVID-19
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Thank you. That’s all that I’ve really asked from people that constantly tell these stories, just follow up. Whether it be for good or bad, tell the whole the story. But as you said, the story really isn’t there because those students are overwhelmingly doing fine.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Hmmmmm
H1n1 median age of death 47
Covid 84


CDC: 94% of COVID-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions
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After 2020 is over, it will be interesting to see how many total of all death's not just Covid, in USA versus 2019. Will it be about 10K more than 2019? Will cancer, COPD and other respiratory deaths go down because their listed as Covid. They may even give Covid the death and also give the underlying health problem the death in individual disease death rates. That's why I say total of all deaths including the one guy that had Covid that got killed in a car wreck.
There have been a lot of statistic's, that have been at best skewed, to assist Cities and hospital's and some just pure politics.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Here's some food for thought for those who remain worried about our students and student-athletes and Covid-19.

Over the past month, we've seen a flood of news stories about groups of returning students getting Covid. Most of those articles involved a lot of heavy mouth-breathing, doom and gloom.

A quick google search for "students testing positive" turned up thousands of results. Just grabbing a handful that you might have seen or read in the news yourself:
  • 26 July (38 days ago) - students test positive after taking ACT test at Oklahoma high school
  • 10 August (23 days ago) - 9 students and staff at Georgia high school where viral hallway photo was taken
  • 10 August (23 days ago) - 33 students at Notre Dame (ND)
  • 14 August (19 days ago) - 75 students at Iowa State (ISU)
  • 18 August (15 days ago) - 130 students at University of North Carolina (UNC)
  • 20 August (13 days ago) - 60 students at Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT)
  • 25 August (8 days ago) - "dozens" of students at the University of Southern California (USC)
  • 29 August (4 days ago) - 1,200 students at University of Alabama (UA)
Links provided at the bottom of this post. These truly are just a small sample of the stories that got published by the media about the start of school. I remember a story about LSU, and another specifically about LSU's linemen, but neither of those articles showed up in the first 50-75 search results, so I couldn't include them here.

Now, time for a little thinking. What's curious about those stories? They all share a key trait. Can you spot it?

...

No follow-up. Half of those stories are already more than two weeks old. Hundreds of students involved. And not one word about how things turned out.

Why not?

Well, because it's not news. It's boring. They all got better. Many of them actually never felt sick. Things are fine.

Things are fine.

Over and over again, things turn out fine.

We'll probably never hear again about those 1,200 Bama students. Because they'll probably all be fine, too.

Now...it is a statistical certainty that eventually some student will get hospitalized. Probably a student with other contributing health problems like asthma, or diabetes, or any of a number of other things that help make the body more vulnerable. We might even, hopefully not but maybe, see a student die of covid eventually. We know this disease _can_ kill even the young, very, very rarely.

That outlier will not change the reality. Things are fine.

As time goes on and there continue to be no follow-up stories to all these reports of students testing positive, let's do a couple of things:

1. Be thankful. This disease could have been far worse than it is.
2. Be calm and a little more confident about the future. The sooner we incorporate Covid-19 into the fabric of "normal life" the way we deal with the flu, and heart disease, and car accidents, the better off our nation will be.
3. Oh, and to the extent we can, take politics out of it. This isn't about Trump or Biden, it's about people like you and me, and our kids and parents. Let's put down our tribal war regalia and be reasonable with each other.

Bless you all, be safe. Go Vols!


More than 1,200 students test positive for COVID-19 at major university
Georgia students test positive for COVID-19 after viral school photo
Dozens of University of Southern California students test positive for COVID-19
Two students tested positive for coronavirus after taking the ACT at an Oklahoma high school - CNN
UNC-Chapel Hill reverses plans for in-person classes after 130 students test positive for Covid-19 - CNN
Sixty RIT students test positive for COVID before arrival on campus
2 UConn Students Test Positive for COVID-19 During Move-In
Three UMaine students test positive for COVID-19
Another 75 Iowa State students have tested positive for COVID-19, university reports
Less than 1% of Notre Dame students test positive for COVID-19
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Thank you for this well-written and well-thought commentary. The same can be said about the constant ticker on ESPN reporting athletes (mostly asymptomatic) testing positive. Aren't people questioning why we haven't seen reports around the world of all the hospitalized and seriously-ill sports figures?

I am hoping that everyone will soon understand the true scope of this illness in young people, now that schools have reopened in most areas. I also hope that states and local school boards will begin to loosen their guidelines on student exclusion, testing, and quarantine, so that kids can receive an effective education. It's a mess right now and extremely disruptive.
 
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After 2020 is over, it will be interesting to see how many total of all death's not just Covid, in USA versus 2019. Will it be about 10K more than 2019? Will cancer, COPD and other respiratory deaths go down because their listed as Covid. They may even give Covid the death and also give the underlying health problem the death in individual disease death rates. That's why I say total of all deaths including the one guy that had Covid that got killed in a car wreck.
There have been a lot of statistic's, that have been at best skewed, to assist Cities and hospital's and some just pure politics.
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They already track this. It’s called excess deaths and it was already 200,000 people higher in the first 7 months of 2020 vs the first 7 months of 2019, indicating the COVID death count is actually underreported.

US Already Had Over 200,000 Excess Deaths This Year, CDC Data Show
 
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Only the primary cause of death should be reported...but instead if covid is listed anywhere they count it. Thats causing a panic that is unnecessary
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That is incorrect. COVID19 deaths are drawn from primary cause only. If you’re struck by lightning, they list co-morbitities. That is not exclusive to this disease.
 
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They already track this. It’s called excess deaths and it was already 200,000 people higher in the first 7 months of 2020 vs the first 7 months of 2019, indicating the COVID death count is actually underreported.

US Already Had Over 200,000 Excess Deaths This Year, CDC Data Show
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I appreciated your post, and the link you provided.

Just gotta fact check the conclusion you drew, that this info indicates the Covid death count is actually under-reported.

That's not what it indicates.

So we know from the CDC data that US death tally thus far in 2020 is somewhere around 165,000* higher than might be expected, considering what we saw in previous years.

That doesn't mean all 165,000 additional deaths are Covid. For instance, we know--CDC has reported on this--suicides are higher in 2020 than previous years, as well. So are homicides (by about 26%). Those are both more closely tied to social justice issues and general malaise than anything to do with Covid.

All you can conclude from the CDC finding that deaths are higher than normal is that we're having a bad year, and Covid is a big part of it. But not all of it. And you certainly can't conclude that Covid deaths are being under-reported.

But again, thanks for the article and your comments in general; very informative.


* The article writer glommed onto the 205,000 ("over 200,000") high side of the CDC estimate, then used it in his headline as the truth...really, if you read the article and the underlying CDC report, 165,000 is the actual best estimate. 205,000 is the high-end estimate.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Only the primary cause of death should be reported...but instead if covid is listed anywhere they count it. Thats causing a panic that is unnecessary
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That’s not how death reporting works. If someone had diabetes that was managed for 20 years and then got the flu and died from complications, what would you say killed them? The flu or diabetes? It’s a combination but the reality is they weren’t going to die until they got the flu. Keep in mind that 45% of US has at least 1 pre existing condition. 108 million people have hypertension alone. That’s a pre-existing condition.

This is how deaths have always been reported in the US. This is also the reason the US has tens of thousands of flu deaths each year while China, with many more cases, has less than 500. They only report where flu is the only cause and the US reports all causes. Amazingly it’s never been an issue until now because our president is looking for anything to cast doubt on a health crises that he’s completely mismanaged.

I came here to read preseason Vols news and couldn’t help but venturing elsewhere. A lot of the comments here (refusal to look out for fellow man, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories) are irritating but unfortunately not surprising
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I appreciated your post, and the link you provided.

Just gotta fact check the conclusion you drew, that this info indicates the Covid death count is actually under-reported.

That's not what it indicates.

So we know from the CDC data that US death tally thus far in 2020 is somewhere around 165,000* higher than might be expected, considering what we saw in previous years.

That doesn't mean all 165,000 additional deaths are Covid. For instance, we know--CDC has reported on this--suicides are higher in 2020 than previous years, as well. So are homicides (by about 26%). Those are both more closely tied to social justice issues and general malaise than anything to do with Covid.

All you can conclude from the CDC finding that deaths are higher than normal is that we're having a bad year, and Covid is a big part of it. But not all of it. And you certainly can't conclude that Covid deaths are being under-reported.

But again, thanks for the article and your comments in general; very informative.


* The article writer glommed onto the 205,000 ("over 200,000") high side of the CDC estimate, then used it in his headline as the truth...really, if you read the article and the underlying CDC report, 165,000 is the actual best estimate. 205,000 is the high-end estimate.
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Thanks for the correction. It probably is misrepresenting to present all as COVID. But my point was there is most certainly an excess death toll so people not recognizing the danger of covid are in denial. Also consider the first COVID deaths really didn’t start until March
 
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That is incorrect. COVID19 deaths are drawn from primary cause only. If you’re struck by lightning, they list co-morbitities. That is not exclusive to this disease.
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That's not true, Fumbles. The CDC web site itself states that Covid deaths are tallied when Covid-19 "caused or contributed to" the death. Which means if it is listed as a co-morbidity, it is counted.

The CDC also, on the same web page, acknowledges that 20%-30% of death certificates have issues of completeness. That doesn't mean they are inaccurate, but it does mean that any conclusions reached based on a tally of death certificates should be considered inexact. Approximate. Rough.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's not true, Fumbles. The CDC web site itself states that Covid deaths are tallied when Covid-19 "caused or contributed to" the death. Which means if it is listed as a co-morbidity, it is counted.

The CDC also, on the same web page, acknowledges that 20%-30% of death certificates have issues of completeness. That doesn't mean they are inaccurate, but it does mean that any conclusions reached based on a tally of death certificates should be considered inexact. Approximate. Rough.
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Thank you...CDC says now..the illnios medical lady said months ago..theres video. How can people not see it
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Thank you...CDC says now..the illnios medical lady said months ago..theres video. How can people not see it
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Well, that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about those deaths where covid-19 contributed. We shouldn't mentally erase covid-19 from the equation. Let me give an example, a personal example, from the time before Covid appeared.

My dad died of cancer. Lung cancer that metastisized to his brain.

But did he? See, he came down with cancer like a year and a half before he died. It spread to his brain about a year prior. Thanks to chemo and radiation treatment, the tumors in his lung and brain both had stopped growing for a few months prior to his death. So was it really cancer that got him?

He also had a bit of dimentia, and if you sat down and talked with him in the last few weeks before he died, that might be the most striking aspect of his health. So did dimentia kill him?

He has had heart trouble for decades; multiple heart attacks, a triple-bypass surgery something like 15 years ago, blocked arteries, stents, and on and on. And at the end of the day, most people aren't counted as dead until the ticker stops ticking. That was true for Dad. His time of death shows when his heart stopped. Did his heart disease and high blood pressure kill him?

All of those are listed as causes of death on his death certificate. Along with the diabetes he had for his last 5-6 years.

Oh, and he'd had the flu maybe a month and a half before he died. He recovered from it, thankfully, but if he'd still had it when he died, I am sure it would have been listed as a co-morbidity. His doctor actually seemed surprised when the flu didn't get him.

So if you asked me what killed my father, I'd have to name all those things (except the flu, he was over it). It wasn't any one thing. It was just bad thing after bad thing after bad thing piling up until his body couldn't carry the load any more.

That's how it is with a lot of old folks. It's never just one thing. It's a combination of a lot of things that do them in.

Now replace the flu in my dad's example with Covid-19, and imagined he'd died four weeks earlier, while he still had it.

We know Covid-19 is primarily a killer of old people. So we shouldn't be surprised to find out that it's piling on with all their other problems and killing them that way.

No, this is why I disagree with you on that one point. We shouldn't just list primary cause of death. Not when a person is dying of all that stuff piling on together. It all counts, it all contributes.

That's how I see it, anyway. Let's acknowledge that covid is a killer, even if it rarely kills on its own.

Go Vols!


p.s. My dad was a HUGE Tennessee fan. I miss him most on game days.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Well, that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about those deaths where covid-19 contributed. We shouldn't mentally erase covid-19 from the equation. Let me give an example, a personal example, from the time before Covid appeared.

My dad died of cancer. Lung cancer that metastisized to his brain.

But did he? See, he came down with cancer like a year and a half before he died. It spread to his brain about a year prior. Thanks to chemo and radiation treatment, the tumors in his lung and brain both had stopped growing for a few months prior to his death. So was it really cancer that got him?

He also had a bit of dimentia, and if you sat down and talked with him in the last few weeks before he died, that might be the most striking aspect of his health. So did dimentia kill him?

He has had heart trouble for decades; multiple heart attacks, a triple-bypass surgery something like 15 years ago, blocked arteries, stents, and on and on. And at the end of the day, most people aren't counted as dead until ticker stops ticking. That was true for Dad. His time of death shows when his heart stopped. Did his heart disease and high blood pressure kill him?

All of those are listed as causes of death on his death certificate. Along with the diabetes he had for his last 5-6 years.

Oh, and he'd had the flu maybe a month and a half before he died. He recovered from it, thankfully, but if he'd still had it when he died, I am sure it would have been listed as a co-morbidity. His doctor actually seemed surprised when the flu didn't get him.

So if you asked me what killed my father, I'd have to name all those things (except the flu, he was over it). It wasn't any one thing. It was just bad thing after bad thing after bad thing piling up until his body couldn't carry the load any more.

That's how it is with a lot of old folks. It's never just one thing. It's a combination of a lot of things that do them in.

Now replace the flu in my dad's example with Covid-19, and imagined he'd died four weeks earlier.

We know Covid-19 is primarily a killer of old people. So we shouldn't be surprised to find out that it's piling on with all their other problems and killing them that way.

No, this is why I disagree with you on that one point. We shouldn't just list primary cause of death. Not when a person is dying of all that stuff piling on together. It all counts, it all contributes.

That's how I see it, anyway. Let's acknowledge that covid is a killer, even if it rarely kills on its own.

Go Vols!


p.s. My dad was a HUGE Tennessee fan. I miss him most on game days.
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Im so sorry for your loss...i lost my mom 4 years ago b to cancer....
Covid is a serious as a serious flu outbreak..differences were that we had government flooding nursing home and the media creating panic over numbers that were not 100% legit
 
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Definitionally a co-morbidity is in conjunction with a primary.

“In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions often co-occurring(that is, concomitant or concurrent with) with a primary condition.

You see the nuance is in the elements of concomitant and concurrent.

I feel pretty confident in saying that almost every one of those people would’ve lived longer without COVID19. Take that for what it’s worth. On the other side of the coin 105k of those people acquired the disease inside in a healthcare or support facility. Weigh that too.

As someone who interacts with this data way more than I’d like, I can tell you that both the reporting and the language on the cdc sure are heavily pressured by outside influences.

As for how this does (and will) harm young people, there still ambiguity. If you’ve got it cracked, congratulations. I sweat it a lot of hours a day. I don’t have it cracked. I don’t want to parse every observation of the last few pages, but I will say that after five months of study, there are still lots of unknowns. There are some residual symptoms and long term effects we don’t yet understand. None of that information is in a study yet, but many of us are concerned.

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That's not true, Fumbles. The CDC web site itself states that Covid deaths are tallied when Covid-19 "caused or contributed to" the death. Which means if it is listed as a co-morbidity, it is counted.

The CDC also, on the same web page, acknowledges that 20%-30% of death certificates have issues of completeness. That doesn't mean they are inaccurate, but it does mean that any conclusions reached based on a tally of death certificates should be considered inexact. Approximate. Rough.
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VFL-82-JP said:
Well, that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about those deaths where covid-19 contributed. We shouldn't mentally erase covid-19 from the equation. Let me give an example, a personal example, from the time before Covid appeared.

My dad died of cancer. Lung cancer that metastisized to his brain.

But did he? See, he came down with cancer like a year and a half before he died. It spread to his brain about a year prior. Thanks to chemo and radiation treatment, the tumors in his lung and brain both had stopped growing for a few months prior to his death. So was it really cancer that got him?

He also had a bit of dimentia, and if you sat down and talked with him in the last few weeks before he died, that might be the most striking aspect of his health. So did dimentia kill him?

He has had heart trouble for decades; multiple heart attacks, a triple-bypass surgery something like 15 years ago, blocked arteries, stents, and on and on. And at the end of the day, most people aren't counted as dead until the ticker stops ticking. That was true for Dad. His time of death shows when his heart stopped. Did his heart disease and high blood pressure kill him?

All of those are listed as causes of death on his death certificate. Along with the diabetes he had for his last 5-6 years.

Oh, and he'd had the flu maybe a month and a half before he died. He recovered from it, thankfully, but if he'd still had it when he died, I am sure it would have been listed as a co-morbidity. His doctor actually seemed surprised when the flu didn't get him.

So if you asked me what killed my father, I'd have to name all those things (except the flu, he was over it). It wasn't any one thing. It was just bad thing after bad thing after bad thing piling up until his body couldn't carry the load any more.

That's how it is with a lot of old folks. It's never just one thing. It's a combination of a lot of things that do them in.

Now replace the flu in my dad's example with Covid-19, and imagined he'd died four weeks earlier, while he still had it.

We know Covid-19 is primarily a killer of old people. So we shouldn't be surprised to find out that it's piling on with all their other problems and killing them that way.

No, this is why I disagree with you on that one point. We shouldn't just list primary cause of death. Not when a person is dying of all that stuff piling on together. It all counts, it all contributes.

That's how I see it, anyway. Let's acknowledge that covid is a killer, even if it rarely kills on its own.

Go Vols!


p.s. My dad was a HUGE Tennessee fan. I miss him most on game days.
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You’re obviously a curious guy who isn’t afraid of digging into things. If you have the time Google Dr. Daniel Jacobson, and the bradykinin theory. This is actually work being done on supercomputers in Oak Ridge. This information is what scares me. It seems very likely that the disease is vascular, not respiratory. This would explain the vascular permeability we see in the brain and heart. My (unoriginal) observation is that some of that brain and heart damage in young (asymptomatic) people may not fully heal. I really hope I’m wrong.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
You’re obviously a curious guy who isn’t afraid of digging into things. If you have the time Google Dr. Daniel Jacobson, and the bradykinin theory. This is actually work being done on supercomputers in Oak Ridge. This information is what scares me. It seems very likely that the disease is vascular, not respiratory. This would explain the vascular permeability we see in the brain and heart. My (unoriginal) observation is that some of that brain and heart damage in young (asymptomatic) people may not fully heal. I really hope I’m wrong.
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I’m sorry for your loss. Sorry I missed that post in my last response. I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t list co-morbidity. I’m just saying they are listed with a primary cause.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
You’re obviously a curious guy who isn’t afraid of digging into things. If you have the time Google Dr. Daniel Jacobson, and the bradykinin theory. This is actually work being done on supercomputers in Oak Ridge. This information is what scares me. It seems very likely that the disease is vascular, not respiratory. This would explain the vascular permeability we see in the brain and heart. My (unoriginal) observation is that some of that brain and heart damage in young (asymptomatic) people may not fully heal. I really hope I’m wrong.
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COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms
 
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I think everyone acknowledges Covid is a killer for the most part, but it is no longer the threat it was perceived to be and the lockdowns, suicides and mental issues in general that stem from all this far out weigh the risks of opening back up and living lives more closer to normal.

Now focusing on how it COULD have life long consequences is the new WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN OR MILLIONS WILL DIE.

Sorry, it is just not that bad unless you are old or have serious health issues and there is no way to tell how damaging it will be to people down the road. What I do know is the mental and economical toll on people is and will continue to be worse for people down the road.

I knew of a couple in Richmond VA who had their restaurant go caput. You know what they did? They killed themselves. They were in their 30's.

People with their whole life ahead of them died because of this bogus fear mongering so we can protect morbidly obese 50+ year olds and 87 year olds who dont know who they are anymore.

Hell their fat parents and grandparents probably still live.
 
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Mccage said:
They get tested if they are running a temp.
They check them before entering field house. So far no problem and no spikes. Played 2 games.
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That doesn't explain why they should stop testing though. It's better to know for sure if someone has the virus as opposed to assuming so for a variety of reasons. They should do both, check temps and continue testing.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Here's some food for thought for those who remain worried about our students and student-athletes and Covid-19.

Over the past month, we've seen a flood of news stories about groups of returning students getting Covid. Most of those articles involved a lot of heavy mouth-breathing, doom and gloom.

A quick google search for "students testing positive" turned up thousands of results. Just grabbing a handful that you might have seen or read in the news yourself:
  • 26 July (38 days ago) - students test positive after taking ACT test at Oklahoma high school
  • 10 August (23 days ago) - 9 students and staff at Georgia high school where viral hallway photo was taken
  • 10 August (23 days ago) - 33 students at Notre Dame (ND)
  • 14 August (19 days ago) - 75 students at Iowa State (ISU)
  • 18 August (15 days ago) - 130 students at University of North Carolina (UNC)
  • 20 August (13 days ago) - 60 students at Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT)
  • 25 August (8 days ago) - "dozens" of students at the University of Southern California (USC)
  • 29 August (4 days ago) - 1,200 students at University of Alabama (UA)
Links provided at the bottom of this post. These truly are just a small sample of the stories that got published by the media about the start of school. I remember a story about LSU, and another specifically about LSU's linemen, but neither of those articles showed up in the first 50-75 search results, so I couldn't include them here.

Now, time for a little thinking. What's curious about those stories? They all share a key trait. Can you spot it?

...

No follow-up. Half of those stories are already more than two weeks old. Hundreds of students involved. And not one word about how things turned out.

Why not?

Well, because it's not news. It's boring. They all got better. Many of them actually never felt sick. Things are fine.

Things are fine.

Over and over again, things turn out fine.

We'll probably never hear again about those 1,200 Bama students. Because they'll probably all be fine, too.

Now...it is a statistical certainty that eventually some student will get hospitalized. Probably a student with other contributing health problems like asthma, or diabetes, or any of a number of other things that help make the body more vulnerable. We might even, hopefully not but maybe, see a student die of covid eventually. We know this disease _can_ kill even the young, very, very rarely.

That outlier will not change the reality. Things are fine.

As time goes on and there continue to be no follow-up stories to all these reports of students testing positive, let's do a couple of things:

1. Be thankful. This disease could have been far worse than it is.
2. Be calm and a little more confident about the future. The sooner we incorporate Covid-19 into the fabric of "normal life" the way we deal with the flu, and heart disease, and car accidents, the better off our nation will be.
3. Oh, and to the extent we can, take politics out of it. This isn't about Trump or Biden, it's about people like you and me, and our kids and parents. Let's put down our tribal war regalia and be reasonable with each other.

Bless you all, be safe. Go Vols!


More than 1,200 students test positive for COVID-19 at major university
Georgia students test positive for COVID-19 after viral school photo
Dozens of University of Southern California students test positive for COVID-19
Two students tested positive for coronavirus after taking the ACT at an Oklahoma high school - CNN
UNC-Chapel Hill reverses plans for in-person classes after 130 students test positive for Covid-19 - CNN
Sixty RIT students test positive for COVID before arrival on campus
2 UConn Students Test Positive for COVID-19 During Move-In
Three UMaine students test positive for COVID-19
Another 75 Iowa State students have tested positive for COVID-19, university reports
Less than 1% of Notre Dame students test positive for COVID-19
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tallshortvol said:
That doesn't explain why they should stop testing though. It's better to know for sure if someone has the virus as opposed to assuming so for a variety of reasons. They should do both, check temps and continue testing.
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They test if someone has a temp. So far its worked great. Cases going down in county. Of course so much is known about this Virus im sure their will be many experts find fault. I do know the boys are living again.
 
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Year to year statistics for deaths per capita by category is fairly stable.

Last year there were ~7,000 deaths per month from homicides, suicides and drug overdoses (combined). If that number had doubled during the seven months referenced above (and they havn't come anywhere close to doubling) there would have been an excess number of deaths attributed to those combined categories of ~49,000. That leaves 150,000 left for another category ( COVID).

And that's if the combined total f all those categories was doubled. If they were close to the previous year's number which is almost certainly the case because there isn't a big difference from year to year the excess attributable to COVID is 200,000.
 
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