Tennessee/Memphis discussion

#226
#226
gordonr24 said:
Definitely. Lawson will be coaching at Memphis, as long as Pastner is there and I don't see Pastner being let go because of Lawson and his two sons coming in.

And no the Lawson twins will not save the program. They'll still be the same ol' AAU team.
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FWIW, they aren't twins.
 
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#228
#228
golfballs said:
Pastner gets another year IMO
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The fanbase has already fired him, but the boosters aren't willing to give him $10 million to go away, not yet. The only way he is gone after this season is if some off the court stuff happens, or Gregg Marshall calls Memphis and wants the job now. Neither situation is likely.
 
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Stoked said:
I think last year was his first time beating a ranked team? I might be wrong about that.
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You would be correct. He beat St. Mary's in 2012-2013 and they were ranked in the coach's poll, but that doesn't really count since they weren't ranked in the AP. Last year he beat #5 Oklahoma State, #12 Louisville, #23 Gonzaga, #7 Louisville, and #18 SMU. Pastner is 5-17 against ranked teams. I believe Tyndall is 3-12?
 
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grizzfan86 said:
You would be correct. He beat St. Mary's in 2012-2013 and they were ranked in the coach's poll, but that doesn't really count since they weren't ranked in the AP. Last year he beat #5 Oklahoma State, #12 Louisville, #23 Gonzaga, #7 Louisville, and #18 SMU. Pastner is 5-17 against ranked teams. I believe Tyndall is 3-12?
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He is 2-2 vs ranked teams at Tennessee, which is all that really matters to us.
 
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grizzfan86 said:
You would be correct. He beat St. Mary's in 2012-2013 and they were ranked in the coach's poll, but that doesn't really count since they weren't ranked in the AP. Last year he beat #5 Oklahoma State, #12 Louisville, #23 Gonzaga, #7 Louisville, and #18 SMU. Pastner is 5-17 against ranked teams. I believe Tyndall is 3-12?
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If Tyndall had been at a school like Memphis before UT, you might have a point.
 
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#237
It may be facts, but Pastner has had every opportunity to succeed at Memphis. He won a lot of games just based off talent alone. Whenever his teams ran into disciplined teams that were just as talented as them, they faltered. Mainly, Pastner has struggled against the well coached teams (Virginia, Michigan State). The main reason Pastner has survived this long is because of the Memphis brand bringing in good recruits, a lot from inside the 240 loop, and by coaching in a poor conference (old CUSA and new American).
 
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grizzfan86 said:
You would be correct. He beat St. Mary's in 2012-2013 and they were ranked in the coach's poll, but that doesn't really count since they weren't ranked in the AP. Last year he beat #5 Oklahoma State, #12 Louisville, #23 Gonzaga, #7 Louisville, and #18 SMU. Pastner is 5-17 against ranked teams. I believe Tyndall is 3-12?
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And Tyndall has made it further in the NCAAT than Pastner ever has...
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And Tyndall has made it further in the NCAAT than Pastner ever has...
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And Memphis has made it further in the tournament than Tennessee ever has...

Seriously though, I thought it's been pretty clear I don't support Pastner anymore. I would say I like Pastner about as much as you like Tyndall, but you've been pretty clear on your feelings there. Gotten over your man crush with Cuonzo yet?
 
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gordonr24 said:
It may be facts, but Pastner has had every opportunity to succeed at Memphis. He won a lot of games just based off talent alone. Whenever his teams ran into disciplined teams that were just as talented as them, they faltered. Mainly, Pastner has struggled against the well coached teams (Virginia, Michigan State). The main reason Pastner has survived this long is because of the Memphis brand bringing in good recruits, a lot from inside the 240 loop, and by coaching in a poor conference (old CUSA and new American).
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Pastner lasted because he can recruit and he runs a clean program. There was hope he could become a good coach with time, but it appears that experiment has run its course. Now, barring a huge turn around, its just about picking the best time to fire him. You can't after this year because it would cost too much, and because you're going to scare off other coaches when you fired the previous one after one "bad year". The consensus seems to be he'll be fired after next year if he underperforms. The only thing I'm worried about is him doing ok next year and making it hard to fire him.
 
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grizzfan86 said:
Pastner lasted because he can recruit and he runs a clean program. There was hope he could become a good coach with time, but it appears that experiment has run its course. Now, barring a huge turn around, its just about picking the best time to fire him. You can't after this year because it would cost too much, and because you're going to scare off other coaches when you fired the previous one after one "bad year". The consensus seems to be he'll be fired after next year if he underperforms. The only thing I'm worried about is him doing ok next year and making it hard to fire him.
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I do think next year, Pastner will have enough talent to win enough games to get another year.
 
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#243
gordonr24 said:
I do think next year, Pastner will have enough talent to win enough games to get another year.
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If it was up to me I'd say he needs to make a Sweet 16 next year to keep his job, which I don't see happening. The Lawsons are great, but our biggest issue is our backcourt, and both the Lawsons are forwards. Any success next year depends on Pookie and Crawford developing. That being said, it's not up to me, and even after next year he will have a pretty big buyout.
 
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grizzfan86 said:
If it was up to me I'd say he needs to make a Sweet 16 next year to keep his job, which I don't see happening. The Lawsons are great, but our biggest issue is our backcourt, and both the Lawsons are forwards. Any success next year depends on Pookie and Crawford developing. That being said, it's not up to me, and even after next year he will have a pretty big buyout.
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I could not believe Tom Bowen gave him that extension. That was an RC Johnson kind of move. Pastner may be a great ambassador for the university, but he just isn't cut to be a HC. I saw that by year 3 in his tenure.
 
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gordonr24 said:
I could not believe Tom Bowen gave him that extension. That was an RC Johnson kind of move. Pastner may be a great ambassador for the university, but he just isn't cut to be a HC. I saw that by year 3 in his tenure.
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Honestly that was a complete head-scratcher. That is the kind of a move that can sink a program for years to come. Bowen and Pastner both should be washing Fuente's car, because he has helped to calm the natives to a certain degree.
 
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gordonr24 said:
I could not believe Tom Bowen gave him that extension. That was an RC Johnson kind of move. Pastner may be a great ambassador for the university, but he just isn't cut to be a HC. I saw that by year 3 in his tenure.
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I guess Bowen was afraid Pastner would jet back to Arizona after the Cats wanted him to a member of it's coaching staff.
 
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Kusotate said:
I guess Bowen was afraid Pastner would jet back to Arizona after the Cats wanted him to a member of it's coaching staff.
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Agreed. But hindsight 20/20, I'm sure 99.9% of Tiger fans wish that Pastner had left.

Off topic but I also noticed that my sarcastic post about Tyndall got referenced on the Memphis board, so here's my message. Memphis has the Grizz, the other team that knows how to play good disciplined basketball. Rally around them Tiger fans! Go Grizz! :hi:
 
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#248
I'm still a bit confused as to why we're discussing Memphis on a Vols board? I know I know I don't have to read and I agree. But honestly to me Memphis could be oh say Santa Barber St (if there is such a thing) and I'd be just as interested. Don't like or dislike at all,,,,just TOTALLY apathetic to both ,,,, just me maybe,,,,GBO
 
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#249
#249
Pastner got the extension because he got a tournament win and USC was talking to him. The extension was fine, for the most part contract extensions are meaningless. For the university to not have any kind of buyout clause was pretty dumb.
 
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