Tennessee is going NOWHERE with JG

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sjt18 said:
That's actually not his arm strength but that he doesn't set and throw on time. The LT whiffed on the sack he took today... but in the replay you could still see JG holding the ball with 84 coming out of his break up field. The ball should have already been gone.
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The fact that he cant lead a receiver on a deep ball isn't his arm strength? Then what is it? The receivers have to stop and come back for the ball every single time regardless if there is pressure or not.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How do we know that both the OL and JG wont improve? We know the OL is undersized, slow, weak and hit garbage. Also, mist of these guys are on their 3rd OL coach since coming to TN. Mahoney, Wells and now Friend. I mean Wells was a GA for crying out loud.
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BOT... you're working too hard to be disagreeable. I just made 3 or 4 posts saying that I hoped JG could develop and that the OL would improve. I have serious doubts about JG not because of one game but because of what this game says about his development over the last 3 years. The O does not move and score points behind him. In 16 FBS JG starts the O averages under 20 ppg. It isn't all on him... but a good portion is.

The OL is Jones' fault- 100%. He inherited an NFL caliber OL with 3 or 4 guys on it that would become starters in the NFL. The OL got immediately worse and was a problem his entire tenure. His scheme, development, and "techniques" were just absolutely awful. I didn't want to believe it but Fulmer called it. He said the OL would take more than one year to fix.

Who knows what will happen next year? JG could very well lose his starting job. If I am being honest, I believe he will. Shrout was Pruitts guy, lets not forget that. He inherited JG. But when our OL plays well, JG can make all the throws needed. He isnt a top notch QB, but he isnt garbage either.
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He isn't a good QB. I wouldn't call a Vol "garbage"... but he's not a QB that's difficult to defend in the least. The OL didn't pass protect terribly today. JG still played poorly. Vandy defended his strengths and really dominated UT's O without great athletes.

Personally, I think he's probably earned Pruitt's respect. He's taken some hits. He hasn't quit trying to do things better. I think it comes down to two things now for JG:

One is ability. Some guys simply don't have the ability to develop what some call "intangibles"... I've called the "mental part" or decisions and reads. It doesn't mean they have no skills. It doesn't mean they are "stupid". It just means they don't have the kind of abstract thinking ability to anticipate and react to what's happening. They have to think too much/long. That's what it looks like when JG throws the ball short as often as he does.

Two, work. He has to get in the film room and live there from now until next fall. He has to get a ton of good 7 on 7 work in where he specifically works on anticipation and throwing guys open. He has to make himself more difficult to defend.
 
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Volhoops said:
Dobb's could have won seven this year with the talent we had this year. JG sucks out loud. Just accept it and hope Shrout or someone they bring in can take over the QB position.
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Dobbs running probably would have made a big difference. Dobbs is extraordinary though. Guys with his running ability don't come around that often.
 
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DNBVOL said:
The fact that he cant lead a receiver on a deep ball isn't his arm strength? Then what is it? The receivers have to stop and come back for the ball every single time regardless if there is pressure or not.
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He seems to throw about a half count late on most of his deep throws. He doesn't anticipate well and throw guys open. It isn't a physical limitation. We've seen him throw deep balls. Throwing the outs he tried today is an NFL level arm.
 
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teeball said:
I'm finally on board with all the JG critics. Even though he has had one or two competent games his overall play is abysmal. He's slow, slower and slowest in almost everything he does. Tennessee must find another QB for next year. In my 50 years of watching Tennessee football I can honestly say I've rarely seen a QB as mediocre as JG. Hopefully the new kid out of Florida will honor his commitment and enroll early. Lord knows we need a mobile QB with quick feet and instincts.
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Bout time. Bout time for some others that criticized me so bad to do the same. He's a good kid but I don't think Tennessee is ever going anywhere with him at QB. Tennessee dying on the vine. It's bad everywhere with the team. Everywhere. A whole year and tackling still just as terrrible.
 
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It’s JG and Helton. I’m watching the usc vs Clemson game and usc is outmatched in every aspect yet they do things to be creative and give themselves a chance. They’ll probably lose badly in the end but at least they aren’t predictable are trying to win.
 
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JG was awful today after being, without question, the brightest, most consistent spot on our offense. That said, I don’t think he’s necessarily the answer going forward. And I know, for a fact, that he’s far from the biggest issue for this team and program. Pruitt and staff are the first problem, followed by an OVC roster with exactly zero players anybody can win with in the SEC. The fact that you began this thread about JG, tells me everything I need to know about your football IQ, or rather lack thereof.
 
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KBVol said:
JG was awful today after being, without question, the brightest, most consistent spot on our offense. That said, I don’t think he’s necessarily the answer going forward. And I know, for a fact, that he’s far from the biggest issue for this team and program. Pruitt and staff are the first problem, followed by an OVC roster with exactly zero players anybody can win with in the SEC. The fact that you began this thread about JG, tells me everything I need to know about your football IQ, or rather lack thereof.
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JG is a problem. The OL is a problem. The talent and development across the roster is a problem.

The staff may be a problem... but we need more evidence than we have to conclude that. Jones left the program in a deeper hole than he found it... and that hole was significant.
 
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sjt18 said:
He seems to throw about a half count late on most of his deep throws. He doesn't anticipate well and throw guys open. It isn't a physical limitation. We've seen him throw deep balls. Throwing the outs he tried today is an NFL level arm.
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Maybe on certain occasions but I can't remember any deep throw that he has hit a receiver in stride.
 
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KBVol said:
JG was awful today after being, without question, the brightest, most consistent spot on our offense. That said, I don’t think he’s necessarily the answer going forward. And I know, for a fact, that he’s far from the biggest issue for this team and program. Pruitt and staff are the first problem, followed by an OVC roster with exactly zero players anybody can win with in the SEC. The fact that you began this thread about JG, tells me everything I need to know about your football IQ, or rather lack thereof.
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The fact you say he’s the brightest, most consistent spot on offense is a real reality check. He is utterly terrible.
 
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DNBVOL said:
Maybe on certain occasions but I can't remember any deep throw that he has hit a receiver in stride.
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The hail mary a few weeks ago showed some serious arm strength. He hits some outs that are very difficult throws. He hasn't often hit guys in stride downfield but we've seen him throw deeper and with less air. It is just as important to know how to throw a deep ball as it is to have the arm strength to get it there.
 
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teeball said:
I'm finally on board with all the JG critics. Even though he has had one or two competent games his overall play is abysmal. He's slow, slower and slowest in almost everything he does. Tennessee must find another QB for next year. In my 50 years of watching Tennessee football I can honestly say I've rarely seen a QB as mediocre as JG. Hopefully the new kid out of Florida will honor his commitment and enroll early. Lord knows we need a mobile QB with quick feet and instincts.
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Justin Worley comes to mind...
 
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I don’t think our answer at QB is currently on the roster. Maurer maybe. IMO they need to go out and get an elite signal caller.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
After seeing JG in person today..... I do have to question his abilities..... he holds the ball way too long...doesn't throw the receiver open..... can't tell where the blitz is coming from and etc.
Helton isn't helping him at all with his garbage play calling ....wtf is up with the passing game and the routes they're running. Everything takes too damn long to develop.... the line sucks and JG throws late..... why hasn't Helton adapted to this at this point in the season?
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Receivers are slow, get next to no separation, and even with time JG still tends to dump the pass to his check down man at the Los with wide open receivers downfield, or eat a sack.

I don't think Helton knows how to call a game in this sort of situation.
 
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sjt18 said:
I know that you and others think that I somehow don't like JG... but I hope this is wrong. I hope that they put a better OL together and JG spends his entire offseason in the film room. I hope he can improve and become a really good QB. I truly hope that the only way Shrout or the kid from FL beat him out... is that they're GREAT.
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We can agree on this.

Also, I will add and I think others have noticed that JG appears to never be discussing strategy on the sideline in between series. Most QBs are on the phones, talking to teammates about mistakes and good plays. If JG doesn't appear rash rash then I am not seeing communication when the cameras pan over there.
 
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