Tennessee is a dream job....

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Boca Vol said:
UT is a dream job to UT fans. We think our school is the best, the fans are the best, the facilities are the best, etc.

Well, that isn't exactly true. I'm not saying it's wrong, but every top school can say the same thing.

It comes down to:

1) Can the coach win at the school.
2) Does he have the support of the AD
3) What is the downside...recruiting, conference, scheduling?
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1) Yes. Its been done before and we will win again
2) No clue on the AD since it is a Bammer transplant
3) there is no downside to the SEC. All great competitors players and coaches want to come here. Tennessee is no exception.
 
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Spawn said:
1) Yes. Its been done before and we will win again
2) No clue on the AD since it is a Bammer transplant
3) there is no downside to the SEC. All great competitors players and coaches want to come here. Tennessee is no exception.
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Look at your answers from an outsider.

Yes, UT has won before but since the SEC has upped it's game, UT hasn't done squat. That IS a downfall of the SEC. UT has lost 3 straight conf games to ranked teams....2 of them on the road. UT can go 7-5 this year and people will want Dooley out. That would mean, at the end of the day, UT lost to 5 ranked teams...3 of which were on the road and most likely 4 of the 5 teams in the top 15.

UT is a lot harder job and tougher sell than a lot of you are giving it credit.
 
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#204
Anyone who thinks that UT is a Top 10 job is an absolute moron. What has changed since Tennessee had to hire an unknown, relatively unsuccessful non-BCS coach just 2.5 years ago? Oh, that's right... more losing seasons and an even more marked drop in the recruiting rankings.

Tennessee falls somewhere between #20 and #30 when ranking head coach gigs. Probably #28.
 
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orangesparkles said:
Anyone who thinks that UT is a Top 10 job is an absolute moron. What has changed since Tennessee had to hire an unknown, relatively unsuccessful non-BCS coach just 2.5 years ago? Oh, that's right... more losing seasons and an even more marked drop in the recruiting rankings.

Tennessee falls somewhere between #20 and #30 when ranking head coach gigs. Probably #28.
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You are a douche....Go cheer for someone else.

Just because they have had a rough pactch doesn't change anything.
 
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Spawn said:
You are a douche....Go cheer for someone else.

Just because they have had a rough pactch doesn't change anything.
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Uh... yes, it does. If Tennessee were a Top 10 program, it would not have had to hire Dooley. A Top 10 program can lure a Defensive Coordinator away from an actual Top 10 program. A Top 10 program doesn't get people turning down their offers.

Tennessee has a horrible in-state talent pool and plays in America's toughest conference despite losing a significant amount of ground over the past 10 years to other programs in the SEC. If you think that makes for a Top 10 program, you're a damn fool.
 
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orangesparkles said:
Anyone who thinks that UT is a Top 10 job is an absolute moron. What has changed since Tennessee had to hire an unknown, relatively unsuccessful non-BCS coach just 2.5 years ago? Oh, that's right... more losing seasons and an even more marked drop in the recruiting rankings.

Tennessee falls somewhere between #20 and #30 when ranking head coach gigs. Probably #28.
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Your out of your mind.

Like that other poster said....Penn State's got open tryouts for fans....give em a shot.
 
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It's okay, guys. Just keep convincing yourselves that Tennessee is an awesome gig. Princeton, Yale, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Tennessee will NEVER stop being Top 10 jobs!
 
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Boca Vol said:
Look at your answers from an outsider.

Yes, UT has won before but since the SEC has upped it's game, UT hasn't done squat. That IS a downfall of the SEC. UT has lost 3 straight conf games to ranked teams....2 of them on the road. UT can go 7-5 this year and people will want Dooley out. That would mean, at the end of the day, UT lost to 5 ranked teams...3 of which were on the road and most likely 4 of the 5 teams in the top 15.

UT is a lot harder job and tougher sell than a lot of you are giving it credit.
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It is a tough job because of the SEC I agree. However, the right coach can win. Your points above are this year and with Dooley who is not the right coach. We should know more at the end this year.
 
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orangesparkles said:
It's okay, guys. Just keep convincing yourselves that Tennessee is an awesome gig. Princeton, Yale, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Tennessee will NEVER stop being Top 10 jobs!
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UT has won a way more recent title than they have, hey just 5 years removed from SEC championship game. You be trollin.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
oh yeah, I forgot about all the NCs those other schools have.



not.
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DjCrenshaw said:
UT has won a way more recent title than they have, hey just 5 years removed from SEC championship game. You be trollin.
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Pittsburgh, Princeton and Yale have more national titles than Tennessee. Pittsburgh has played in a BCS bowl more recently than Tennessee.

This is no longer the 90s or early 2000s. Tennessee would not have had to settle for Derek Dooley if it were a Top 10 job. It's that simple.
 
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I think that Tennessee is a dream school because of the potential it has. There are dozens of other schools that currently have better programs than us, but that doesn't make them more attractive from a coaching standpoint.

The opportunity to turn around a team with so much history and such a great fan base in the SEC would be ideal to any coach. It will be hard work but it's a hard job. Everyone knows that. Tennessee has all the components to be a dominant team in the nation, we just need a coach who can come in and execute.

I don't buy the idea that great coaches want to come into already great programs and just maintain. Complacency kills. Good coaches, maybe. But the great ones, which we will get, will want to come to Tennessee. Go to hell Alabama. VFL.
 
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With Fulmer going into to CFHoF this year 2 out of our last 4 coaches have gone on to become hall of famers. Kiffin may yet to become one by the end of his career making 3 of our last 4 coaches Hall of famers. Just because we got stuck with a bargin bin, choir boy coach before Hammy was shown doesn't mean some of the best coaches won't come here.

Fulmer routinely pulled in top 10 recruiting classes and Kiffin was on the verge of bringing in his 2nd top 5 class in as many years. Just because we got stuck with a middle of the road SEC recruiter with a lossing record doesn't mean a good coach can't bring in top talent.

For those saying Dooley is about as good as UT can get history is telling you that you're wrong. We can get a better coach, better players and win big games here. We as fans are being screwed by keeping a sub par coach. This is a top job in the nation especially if we pay top money like we should.
 
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orangesparkles said:
Pittsburgh, Princeton and Yale have more national titles than Tennessee. Pittsburgh has played in a BCS bowl more recently than Tennessee.

This is no longer the 90s or early 2000s. Tennessee would not have had to settle for Derek Dooley if it were a Top 10 job. It's that simple.
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Do you see the irony in saying "this is no longer the 90s" and your referencing NCs won by schools back in the 19th century? :birgits_giggle:
 
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Tennessee is a job opportunity that most are not lucky enough to ever get.

If there are only 15, to pick a number, jobs that are better, that's still elite company
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
Do you see the irony in saying "this is no longer the 90s" and your referencing NCs won by schools back in the 19th century? :birgits_giggle:
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I think that was his point. A lot of people on here see UT as a job that anyone would want based on history. History isn't the present. It's not an easy job.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I think that was his point. A lot of people on here see UT as a job that anyone would want based on history. History isn't the present. It's not an easy job.
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His point was that he was trying to say that the UT job was the same as those other schools in prestige, almost all of which last mattered when the football was still round and weighed 15 pounds.

Thats laughable, and not worth the time it took to type.


if you have to go back to 1869 to make your point, you don't have one.
 
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#220
Ok Sunshine Pumpers and VFL people. This is not a top 10 destination anymore. Ok let that settle in because if you have read this far in this thread we will find alot of people that just wont beleive that no matter what facts and figures you include in your posts.

We ran out Fulmer after some tough years and the coaches that were involved in that debacle would tell you that they would never take a job here again. We have had terrible leadership from the AD and the people at UT that actaully make decisions.

We hired a coach from a terrible school, in a terrible conference, that had 1 winning season on his 6 total years of coaching(i mean we were at the bottom of the barrel). The only reason Dooley is here is because he was most likely 10th on our list of coaches and we got turned down by the first 9. If it was a top 10 school we could maybe get a top 50-100 coach in the nation right?!?!

Good guys truely do finish last.

I understand the timing was terrible for UT's hire, but its going to take getting a hot young coach to come here to make any difference, because the older coaches will be smarter than to take this job.
 
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#221
It's amazing how people can't make the connection between

"we ran our last ten coaches out on a rail"

and

"we can't seem to find good coaches"
 
#222
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1. Texas
2. Bama
3. Florida
4. Southern Cal
5. Ohio St
6. LSU
7. Georgia
8. Oklahoma
9. Oregon
10. Notre Dame
11. Michigan
12. Florida St
13. Tennessee
14. Auburn
15. Nebraska
16. Texas A&M
17. Miami
18. Oklahoma St.
19. South Carolina
20. Arkansas
21. Clemson
22. West Virginia
23. Wisconsin
24. Penn St (will move up in about 5 years)
25. UCLA

This is about how I see it
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
1. Texas
2. Bama
3. Florida
4. Southern Cal
5. Ohio St
6. LSU
7. Georgia
8. Oklahoma
9. Oregon
10. Notre Dame
11. Michigan
12. Florida St
13. Tennessee
14. Auburn
15. Nebraska
16. Texas A&M
17. Miami
18. Oklahoma St.
19. South Carolina
20. Arkansas
21. Clemson
22. West Virginia
23. Wisconsin
24. Penn St (will move up in about 5 years)
25. UCLA

This is about how I see it
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I couldn't agree more.
 
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Through_The_T said:
The thing that sets Bama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, etc. apart from the Tennessee job is the plethora of in-state talent that those states produce every year. It is truly a huge challenge to recruit here, given the overall lack of football talent in the state...
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And we make up for that with a higher recruiting budget. The in-state talent base has never stopped us from recruiting with the best and it never ****ing will, so people need to shut up about it.
 
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I agree with the OP. The job is one of the 10-15 best jobs on college football IF the AD is run right. The last AD was a complete idiot and should have NEVER been hired PERIOD! I cant blame anyone not wanting to work for him. Now I think things are better both at the AD and President (the UT President debacle the last 15 yrs would make a great sit com or soap opera) which should return the program to a strong level eventually.
 
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