Tennessee Head Coach Josh Heupel Is A Tier 1 Coach In College Football

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out of 135 coaches, top 10 is top tier. It's silly to think otherwise. Now if you want to say Day or Smart is above Heupel based on their accomplishments absolutely. But there isn't 5 more coaches in the country after that I would take over CJH at this point
No there are precisely 3 who have the accomplishments and consistency over time to separate themselves from the rest of the pack in a tier of their own. The 10th best coach shouldn’t be mentioned alongside Kirby Smart. James Franklin shouldn’t be in a tier with Ryan Day. You can be good, very good, maybe even great, but without both longevity and hardware, you aren’t at the top of the sport.
 
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IF CJH really wants to be "the guy" to get to the top of the mountain, he has to really re-think his recruiting strategy. Whatever it is now just isn't good enough to compete with the UGA's , Bama's,Texas', etc. as far as talent goes. However, It may be out of his hands as far as $$ appropriated to players. Bottom line is... Top 15 classes simply won't get us to a natty. Saban NEVER won anything without having the better talent. And that's a FACT! One more thing... CJH has GOT to quit losing to inferior teams every year. It's becoming a VERY bad habit.
Florida was every bit if not more talented than Bama was in 2009, same goes for Texas as well.
 
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You simply can’t put Heupel or anyone else who hasn’t won it all in the top tier. Even some guys who have won it all didn’t belong in the top tier (Orgeron, Coker, Chizik). The top tier is for champions with sustained success.
So Tier 1 consists of Ryan Day, Dabo Swinney and Kirby Smart?

That's it?

Pretty small Tier 1.
 
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I don't agree with the last few lines. Yes, he may have been more conservative the last two years. But, that is because he hasn't had the QB and WRs to score points the last two years like he had in 2021 and 2022. So, he had to rely on D and a great running game to win games! As soon as he gets a QB to put up the below 2021 and 2022 stats, he will be more agressive.

Here are Hendon Hooker’s career stats in college.

YEARGAMESCOMPATTCOMP. %PASS YDSPASS TDINTRUSH ATTRUSH YDSRUSH TD
2018 (VT)60000004571
2019 (VT)119916261.11,5551321233565
2020 (VT)89815065.31,339951206209
2021 (UT)1320630367.92,9453131666165
2022 (UT)1122932969.63,1352721044305
Career4963294466.98,9748012517
That’s kind of why he makes the big bucks, to find and/or develop that QB. He hasn’t done it yet. Hooker fell into his lap my means if an injury to 1st team.

I get it, guys like HH are rare, but coach H hasn’t exactly presented or developed a WOW guy yet.
 
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That’s kind of why he makes the big bucks, to find and/or develop that QB. He hasn’t done it yet. Hooker fell into his lap my means if an injury to 1st team.

I get it, guys like HH are rare, but coach H hasn’t exactly presented or developed a WOW guy yet.

CJH and staff developed Hendon Hooker who made amazing steps forward at UT after being looked over at Tech.

All one has to do is read the comments from HH’s dad, who sings CJH’s praises. He knows.
 
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Rankings like this are interesting but meaningless. Win % over time and championships are the only measurements that really matter. Heupel is doing quite well and exactly what we needed. Where he ends up in any "tiers" is yet to be determined.
 
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I completely agree with everything said. Josh took a dumpster fire and turned it into a legit contender. 30 wins in the last 3 seasons. Beating Bama and Florida 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Getting us to the Playoff last season. We may take a step back this season but the future is brighter than it's been in decades. I truly believe he will get us back to the Natty in the next few seasons.

GBO

Like the leaders of anything, people at the helm get most of the credit and most of the blame. The HC responsibility typically is assembling the right people, directing them and adding value to the recruiting efforts. Until last year, Heupel hadn’t called plays since 2021, and he doesn’t run the defense.

There is no question that the initial staff that Heupel brought to Tennessee is top-to-bottom the best staff Tennessee has seen since the Fulmsr era. His ability to keep most of that staff together, and replace key roles with sometimes even better talent is above par. The questions I have right now are at OC, WR and OL.

It is interesting to note that Huepel has been the play caller during each of our OCs’ first seasons at Tennessee. I was unaware that Golesh was given the reigns in 2022 and 2023. Even though Halzel was promoted upon Golesh’s departure last year, Heupel reassumed play calling duties last year. I am reading he will most likely continue to call plays this year, but intended to open up the playbook at least before Nico left. I would imagine that would be more difficult to do with a QB who just began learning the offense this summer. Apparently, Aguilar and his receivers were connecting on some long balls towards the end of the summer, and Aguilar looks to possess some qualities the young Nico lacked. So, the inability to open up the playbook may bot be detrimental if Aguilar can hit the receivers Nico missed and make more plays with his feet than Nico produced.

Regardless, it is apparent that Hueoel’s intention is to develop Halsey much like he did Giles’s and will call plays for the foreseeable future. We will see how that particular situation shakes out over the next couple of seasons most likely. Josh is a proven OC, so my belief is that the play calling is what it is because of the cards he has been dealing with. (Young WB, struggling OL and average receiver play).

I think our OL coach can coach up talent. We saw that with Wright. Recruiting has been our biggest issue there, and they seem to be shoring that up. Based on what I am hearing, I am becoming less concerned about our OL. Unless we are horrendous this year, I have enough optimism at that position to give it until 2026 where we should have zero excuse for average to below average OL play.

When Burns took over the WR room in 2021, we saw 3 stars become stars and other guys who were supposed to good, got better. The difference was obvious.

Burns left after his first season, and Pope became the guy in 2022. That is when we saw all of our receivers take the next step. I still remember Kelton’s amazing diving catch at the end of the first half of the FL game in 2022 which set up an important score before the half, and we all remember Hyatt’s performances Even Squirrel White was playing strong as a Freshman that year. However, we began to watch our receivers take a nosedive in 2023 and that continued in 2024. One might argue that it could be the line not giving them tine to get open, or they might argue that Milton and Nico were not that good of QBs, and there is probably some truth to that, but make no mistake. Our receivers have not been pulling down balls like they were in 2021-2022. That leads me to believe that the improvements we saw in 2022 were benefits from a full year of coaching by Burns’ the previous year.

It’s hard to know entirely what the problem is, but we have been on a downward trend at that position and we have had the talent on our roster.

This could end up being another head scratching year due to all three of the areas mentioned above (OC, OL, QB, WR), but if our receivers are dropping balls again (as they were all preseason), Huepel may need to make a change there.

Historically, the best coaches have had to let some guys go, and he has yet to do that. So far, that has worked out on defense as many were calling for Banks’ and Martinez’s names. For the record, I was not one of them. But I was watching the DBs closely and will be watching these receivers as closely this year.

All that said, some coaches have walked into programs in disarray and turned them into contenders virtually overnight. That trend has slowed down—especially in the SEC. Heupel has been above par thus far, but I think the statement that he has produced a contender is inaccurate. We have been one level below that—twice. That is still an accomplishment.

Whether or not Huepel holds onto everyone or makes some changes and whether or not those moves get him to that prowess, remains to be seen. While I’m not going to get ahead of myself, I still think we should all be excited about what he’s been able to do here and maintain optimism toward what he’s might be able to accomplish here at our University.
 
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Yanno, it always comes down to definitions.

Someone says "elite" or "tier 1" and we all think different things. Some tighten the definition so only 1 in 10 coaches make it. Others go even tighter, to 1 in 20. There's a fella in this thread who makes it even tighter than that, at about 1 in 45 (which ~= 3 out of the current 132 or so head coaches in college football).

I personally would define it tightly. Not crazy tight, like that one fella, but tight. Say one in 15 or one in 20. Which should be around 7 to 10 of today's 130+ active FBS coaches.

Fair enough.

Then how do you screen the top 7 to 10 from the pack? Well, national titles don't work; that's the system that resulted in just 3 coaches. Gotta be a little broader than that.

And can't use conference titles, because some conferences are a mess, and even a mediocre coach can catch a ride on a shooting star now and then for a miracle season in a weak conference.

Nah, I think we go with winning percentage, lifetime.

Here's that list (and I'm gonna include a few guys who are retired just for reference):

Ryan Day .875
Kirby Smart .847
[Robert Neyland .829]
[Nick Saban .806]

Dabo Swinney .793
[Bear Bryant .780]
[Phil Fulmer .745]

Josh Heupel .739
Brian Kelly .728
James Franklin .687
Lane Kiffin .671
Luke Fickell .667
Kyle Whittingham .660
Mike Gundy .658
Kilani Sitake .626
Hugh Freeze .623
Mike Norvell .623
Kirk Ferentz .622
Jeff Brohm .620
Steve Sarkisian .618

I included 16 active coaches, because we're not all gonna agree that 7 to 10 is the right level of "eliteness." And look where Josh Heupel stands.

No, he has never won a national title. Not yet. But he is the first person in the list ranked by winning percentage AFTER the three fellas who have won one.

In other words, if your personal definition of "elite" is anything looser than the fella pulling the string the tightest in this thread, Josh is included. Objectively.

Yep, he's that good. And I think our trophy cabinets are going to bear it out, in time.

Go Vols!

p.s. Interesting side note: If Josh leads the team to 10-2 or better this season, he passes Phil Fulmer on this list. Let's hope that happens.
 
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IF CJH really wants to be "the guy" to get to the top of the mountain, he has to really re-think his recruiting strategy. Whatever it is now just isn't good enough to compete with the UGA's , Bama's,Texas', etc. as far as talent goes. However, It may be out of his hands as far as $$ appropriated to players. Bottom line is... Top 15 classes simply won't get us to a natty. Saban NEVER won anything without having the better talent. And that's a FACT! One more thing... CJH has GOT to quit losing to inferior teams every year. It's becoming a VERY bad habit.
He has besten Bama 2 out of the 4 years he coached against them. If you had onky UGA on your list you might have a point.
 
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CJH and staff developed Hendon Hooker who made amazing steps forward at UT after being looked over at Tech.

All one has to do is read the comments from HH’s dad, who sings CJH’s praises. He knows.
He was also looked over at UT. Let’s not pretend Heupel is the QB whisperer. If not for an injury who knows if we’d of even saw HH on the field.

I’m extremely happy with coaches results, but he can be criticized just as he can be praised. We’ve had extremely talented, highly praised QB recruits here since coach H has been here. None have panned out other than HH who as said fell into the job while being a back up. And yes I get that many 4-5 star recruits don’t always live up to the hype. If heupel is the top tier guy we want him to be, it’s time for 1 of those highly touted QB results to live up by means of coaching.

We can make all the excuses in the world…. Our O line is bad, our receivers aren’t great, etc, etc just as any team can. These are all his people now. It’s time to see this QB whisperer you like to speak of do work.
 
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Yanno, it always comes down to definitions.

Someone says "elite" or "tier 1" and we all think different things. Some tighten the definition so only 1 in 10 coaches make it. Others go even tighter, to 1 in 20. There's a fella in this thread who makes it even tighter than that, at about 1 in 45 (which ~= 3 out of the current 132 or so head coaches in college football).

I personally would define it tightly. Not crazy tight, like that one fella, but tight. Say one in 15 or one in 20. Which should be around 7 to 10 of today's 130+ active FBS coaches.

Fair enough.

Then how do you screen the top 7 to 10 from the pack? Well, national titles don't work; that's the system that resulted in just 3 coaches. Gotta be a little broader than that.

And can't use conference titles, because some conferences are a mess, and even a mediocre coach can catch a ride on a shooting star now and then for a miracle season in a weak conference.

Nah, I think we go with winning percentage, lifetime.

Here's that list (and I'm gonna include a few guys who are retired just for reference):

Ryan Day .875
Kirby Smart .847
[Robert Neyland .829]
[Nick Saban .806]

Dabo Swinney .793
[Bear Bryant .780]
[Phil Fulmer .745]

Josh Heupel .739
Brian Kelly .728
James Franklin .687
Lane Kiffin .671
Luke Fickell .667
Kyle Whittingham .660
Mike Gundy .658
Kilani Sitake .626
Hugh Freeze .623
Mike Norvell .623
Kirk Ferentz .622
Jeff Brohm .620
Steve Sarkisian .618

I included 16 active coaches, because we're not all gonna agree that 7 to 10 is the right level of "eliteness." And look where Josh Heupel stands.

No, he has never won a national title. Not yet. But he is the first person in the list ranked by winning percentage AFTER the three fellas who have won one.

In other words, if your personal definition of "elite" is anything looser than the fella pulling the string the tightest in this thread, Josh is included. Objectively.

Yep, he's that good. And I think our trophy cabinets are going to bear it out, in time.

Go Vols!

p.s. Interesting side note: If Josh leads the team to 10-2 or better this season, he passes Phil Fulmer on this list. Let's hope that happens.
Why do we play the game? To be champions. To me it’s that simple. To be tier 1 you gotta be in that circle if you ask me.

No one remembers a guy just because he had a .750 win percentage. They remember the guy that won it all.
 
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Snyder was great but is not thought of in the same light as the great championship coaches. You can be a great coach and not be in Tier 1.
I guess it depends on who's doing the evaluation.

Switzer, who won 3 national championships and coached against him for several years probably knows more about his ability than all of the talking heads combined.

"On January 9, 2015, Snyder was announced as an inductee into the College Football Hall of Fame. Snyder is only the fourth active coach to receive this honor; under current Hall of Fame rules, active coaches are eligible for induction once they turn 75.

In 1998, Snyder was recognized as the National Coach of the Year by the Associated Press and the Walter Camp Football Foundation and was awarded the Bear Bryant Award and the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award. In 2011, Snyder was named the Woody Hayes Coach of the Year and the Sporting News National Coach of the Year.[17] In 2012, Snyder won the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award for the second time in his career. Additionally, ESPN selected Snyder as its national coach of the year in 1991, and CNN selected him as its national coach of the year in 1995. He was also a finalist for the Bear Bryant Award in 1993, 1995, 2011 and 2012; a finalist for the Sporting News National Coach of the Year Award in 1995 and 1998; a finalist for the AFCA National Coach of the Year Award in 1993 and 1998; a finalist for the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award in 2011 and 2012; a finalist for the Bobby Bowden National Collegiate Coach of the Year Award in 2012; and a finalist for the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award in 1993, 1995, 1998, 2011 and 2012.

In the conference, coach Snyder was selected Big Eight Conference Coach of the Year by the Associated Pressthree times (1990, 1991 and 1993). Snyder was also named Big 12 Conference Coach of the Year four times: in 1998 (AP, coaches), 2002 (coaches), 2011 (AP, coaches) and 2012 (AP, coaches)."

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I guess it depends on who's doing the evaluation.

Switzer, who won 3 national championships and coached against him for several years probably knows more about his ability than all of the talking heads combined.

On January 9, 2015, Snyder was announced as an inductee into the College Football Hall of Fame. Snyder is only the fourth active coach to receive this honor; under current Hall of Fame rules, active coaches are eligible for induction once they turn 75.

In 1998, Snyder was recognized as the National Coach of the Year by the Associated Press and the Walter Camp Football Foundation and was awarded the Bear Bryant Award and the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award. In 2011, Snyder was named the Woody Hayes Coach of the Year and the Sporting News National Coach of the Year.[17] In 2012, Snyder won the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award for the second time in his career. Additionally, ESPN selected Snyder as its national coach of the year in 1991, and CNN selected him as its national coach of the year in 1995. He was also a finalist for the Bear Bryant Award in 1993, 1995, 2011 and 2012; a finalist for the Sporting News National Coach of the Year Award in 1995 and 1998; a finalist for the AFCA National Coach of the Year Award in 1993 and 1998; a finalist for the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award in 2011 and 2012; a finalist for the Bobby Bowden National Collegiate Coach of the Year Award in 2012; and a finalist for the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award in 1993, 1995, 1998, 2011 and 2012.

In the conference, coach Snyder was selected Big Eight Conference Coach of the Year by the Associated Pressthree times (1990, 1991 and 1993). Snyder was also named Big 12 Conference Coach of the Year four times: in 1998 (AP, coaches), 2002 (coaches), 2011 (AP, coaches) and 2012 (AP, coaches).

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Obviously, not top tier. 🙄🤣🤣🤙🏼🧡
 
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I guess it depends on who's doing the evaluation.

Switzer, who won 3 national championships and coached against him for several years probably knows more about his ability than all of the talking heads combined.

On January 9, 2015, Snyder was announced as an inductee into the College Football Hall of Fame. Snyder is only the fourth active coach to receive this honor; under current Hall of Fame rules, active coaches are eligible for induction once they turn 75.

In 1998, Snyder was recognized as the National Coach of the Year by the Associated Press and the Walter Camp Football Foundation and was awarded the Bear Bryant Award and the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award. In 2011, Snyder was named the Woody Hayes Coach of the Year and the Sporting News National Coach of the Year.[17] In 2012, Snyder won the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award for the second time in his career. Additionally, ESPN selected Snyder as its national coach of the year in 1991, and CNN selected him as its national coach of the year in 1995. He was also a finalist for the Bear Bryant Award in 1993, 1995, 2011 and 2012; a finalist for the Sporting News National Coach of the Year Award in 1995 and 1998; a finalist for the AFCA National Coach of the Year Award in 1993 and 1998; a finalist for the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award in 2011 and 2012; a finalist for the Bobby Bowden National Collegiate Coach of the Year Award in 2012; and a finalist for the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award in 1993, 1995, 1998, 2011 and 2012.

In the conference, coach Snyder was selected Big Eight Conference Coach of the Year by the Associated Pressthree times (1990, 1991 and 1993). Snyder was also named Big 12 Conference Coach of the Year four times: in 1998 (AP, coaches), 2002 (coaches), 2011 (AP, coaches) and 2012 (AP, coaches).

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He isn’t thought of like a Bryant or a Saban or a Rockne or a Bowden. Sorry, but he isn’t. Great coach, Hall of Famer, not in the all time top tier.
 
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It’s because he never won a championship. You can’t be mentioned alongside a Nick Saban if you don’t have a few championships to your credit
As I said before it depends on what you have to work with. Saban coaching the talent Snyder had to work with wouldn't have won a national championship and wouldn't be considered elite.

It's a beauty contest for most people including sportswriters and talking heads but my point is that coaches, especially those that face each other, know the difference.
 
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IF CJH really wants to be "the guy" to get to the top of the mountain, he has to really re-think his recruiting strategy. Whatever it is now just isn't good enough to compete with the UGA's , Bama's,Texas', etc. as far as talent goes. However, It may be out of his hands as far as $$ appropriated to players. Bottom line is... Top 15 classes simply won't get us to a natty. Saban NEVER won anything without having the better talent. And that's a FACT! One more thing... CJH has GOT to quit losing to inferior teams every year. It's becoming a VERY bad habit.
After I read that first comment, I immediately stopped and read no more. This team might be his most talented yet, but yes, much of it is unproven. Recruiting includes both HS and the portal. We made the playoffs last year with mostly players he recruited. The reason I didn't read anymore is that I can't even fathom what you might possibly know about recruiting that Heupel doesn't know. That goes for the graduate assistants too. Also, it's an absolute fact all the elite coaches lose to at least one inferior team every year. When I was about to stop with the previous comment, I noticed that last ridiculous comment and had to respond
 
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After I read that first comment, I immediately stopped and read no more. This team might be his most talented yet, but yes, much of it is unproven. Recruiting includes both HS and the portal. We made the playoffs last year with mostly players he recruited. The reason I didn't read anymore is that I can't even fathom what you might possibly know about recruiting that Heupel doesn't know. That goes for the graduate assistants too. Also, it's an absolute fact all the elite coaches lose to at least one inferior team every year. When I was about to stop with the previous comment, I noticed that last ridiculous comment and had to respond

Great points. And a question….how many times did Saban go undefeated with the best rosters in college football by far? Not many.

We have a lot of ridiculous fans.
 
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Great points. And a question….how many times did Saban go undefeated with the best rosters in college football by far? Not many.

We have a lot of ridiculous fans.
Yes, lost to Arkansas, an inferior team. Ohio State, the best team, lost to Michigan, an inferior team. For facks sakes, Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois. Texas got hammered in Austin by Georgia. Almost lost to Vanderbilt.
 
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After I read that first comment, I immediately stopped and read no more. This team might be his most talented yet, but yes, much of it is unproven. Recruiting includes both HS and the portal. We made the playoffs last year with mostly players he recruited. The reason I didn't read anymore is that I can't even fathom what you might possibly know about recruiting that Heupel doesn't know. That goes for the graduate assistants too. Also, it's an absolute fact all the elite coaches lose to at least one inferior team every year. When I was about to stop with the previous comment, I noticed that last ridiculous comment and had to respond
Ridiculous or true?
 
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