Tennessee HC job.....Just how does it stack up???

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Understanding the carousel that will take place shortly, this is THE question to consider when discussing a HC change at UT. With possible openings at Nebraska, aTm, Michigan, LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas, where would Tennessee fall into this pecking order? There are 3 fundamental questions, in order:

1. $$ willing to pay
2. Talent base, instate and within 4 hour drive.
3. Facilities

IMO, UT is near the top on #3, probably in the middle on #1, but near the bottom on #2....when comparing to jobs listed above. When I look around the SEC, it seems pretty obvious to me that the top 3 jobs are Florida, Bama, and LSU. Beyond these 3, UT joins Auburn and UGA as the 2nd tier, but still great jobs.

My point is this: Unless Haslem, et al, are willing to pony up the BIG $$ like Bama did, and go get exactly who they want, I don't see the point of just hopping on the carousel and hoping for a solid hire. If they do that, why not just wait another year, when the pickings may be much different. Just a thought.....and worried Jim Grobe will end up being the guy. Wow, big change.
 
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LSU and Florida are the only SEC schools that would be better than Tennessee.

Tennesse is better than A&M by FAR, better than Nebraska at this point, and the only thing that makes Michigan more attractive is weaker competition/greater chance for success.
 
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Neyland's Ghost said:
LSU and Florida are the only SEC schools that would be better than Tennessee.

Tennesse is better than A&M by FAR, better than Nebraska at this point, and the only thing that makes Michigan more attractive is weaker competition/greater chance for success.
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Agreed
 
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Tennessee is a top 10 national job. It's far more attractive than Auburn, Arkansas, and Texas A&M.
 
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at this point i don't think there's that much separating TN and NEB at this point.
 
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Who knows what goes into a decision like that? We are looking at it as fans and basically trying to figure out who we think has the best chance of delivering a good team, not so much who is going to pay best, quality of life, stepping stone potential. I personally think that these days the guys at the top of the profession have likes and dislikes, preferences for lifestyle, family concerns, etc., that we will never hear about.
 
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I believe that the following HC positions are currently at a higher level than UT's...

USC, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, FSU, Texas, Ohio State

The following are debatable:

Alabama, Michigan, Florida State, Miami, Auburn, Nebraska, Penn State

There is a possibility that openings could occur at USC (Carroll back to the NFL) and LSU (Miles to Michigan). Other than that, the UT opening, if open, should be considered the top job available this offseason, with Nebraska's opening in the discussion.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Who knows what goes into a decision like that? We are looking at it as fans and basically trying to figure out who we think has the best chance of delivering a good team, not so much who is going to pay best, quality of life, stepping stone potential. I personally think that these days the guys at the top of the profession have likes and dislikes, preferences for lifestyle, family concerns, etc., that we will never hear about.
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Great point. If quality of life and family didn't enter into the equation, I have no doubt that Rich Rodriguez would be at Alabama right now.
 
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GAVol said:
Great point. If quality of life and family didn't enter into the equation, I have no doubt that Rich Rodriguez would be at Alabama right now.
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Look at Billy Donovan changing his mind on the Magic job. Family concerns there, it seems.
 
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MariettaVol said:
I believe that the following HC positions are currently at a higher level than UT's...

USC, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, FSU, Texas, Ohio State

The following are debatable:

Alabama, Michigan, Florida State, Miami, Auburn, Nebraska, Penn State

There is a possibility that openings could occur at USC (Carroll back to the NFL) and LSU (Miles to Michigan). Other than that, the UT opening, if open, should be considered the top job available this offseason, with Nebraska's opening in the discussion.
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I think Notre Dame is also a pretty attractive job.
 
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GAVol said:
Great point. If quality of life and family didn't enter into the equation, I have no doubt that Rich Rodriguez would be at Alabama right now.
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That's also why Nick took a 1 million dollar pay cut to leave Miami and come to Tuscaloosa. Thank the Lord that he had different views on this great city than RRod.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I think Notre Dame is also a pretty attractive job.
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I do to most years, but not this years for obvious reason's...I think three players have already left the teams stating conflicting issues with Coach Weis was there concern. Wonder how this will effect his future recruiting as well as a 1-7 record and, I wonder if there is any way Harrison Smith would leave ND and come to UT. I know we wanted him bad last year, maybe he has a change of heart. That's just wishful thinking though I am sure.
 
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In the SEC I would rank the coaching jobs as:

1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. LSU
3. Tennessee
5. Georgia
 
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TuskALoosa said:
That's also why Nick took a 1 million dollar pay cut to leave Miami and come to Tuscaloosa. Thank the Lord that he had different views on this great city than RRod.
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When you get into that kind of money 4 million-5million a year to coach football, does it really matter if you take a million dollar pay cut? I mean thats got to be like monopoly money at some point. Just IMO.
 
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coaches that are looking might be more "comfortable" at a place like aTm. Its the big 12 and it is less competitve now than it has been in the past. Coaches that have fought the fight of battleground SEC might be entertained by the idea of coming to a place like aTm. Good school, good support system, decent confrence, winable schedules. People like (Tuberville) might just be tired of the SEC combat zone. I've still got him picked as aTm's next coach. Tennessee has an environment that will cater more to the younger, ambitious coaches that are hungry for glory in the SEC specifically. Not taking away from Tubby, but just saying. Regardless, I hope the Vols get a firecracker coach with a "get after it" style that can bring them back to the top where they rightfully belong. Gig em' and Go Vols I say!
 
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TXVOL07 said:
coaches that are looking might be more "comfortable" at a place like aTm. Its the big 12 and it is less competitve now than it has been in the past. Coaches that have fought the fight of battleground SEC might be entertained by the idea of coming to a place like aTm. Good school, good support system, decent confrence, winable schedules. People like (Tuberville) might just be tired of the SEC combat zone. I've still got him picked as aTm's next coach. Tennessee has an environment that will cater more to the younger, ambitious coaches that are hungry for glory in the SEC specifically. Not taking away from Tubby, but just saying. Regardless, I hope the Vols get a firecracker coach with a "get after it" style that can bring them back to the top where they rightfully belong. Gig em' and Go Vols I say!
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aka. Will Muschamp or Bo Pelini
 
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depends on the criteria, but i'd have to rank TN a little lower based solely on the lack of in state recruiting.

the fact that you have to recruit against GA, FL, Bama, Auburn, LSU etc...in the same areas is tough.

and the coaches that have taken over these schools lately have figured out one major thing: close off your borders. Saban built LSU on LA talent....no more going to TX or FSU or TN etc...they stayed put. sAme thing with GA when Richt first got there...GA players stayed put.

and Meyer is just frickin ridiculous right now, and with FSU and Miami being down, he should be set for a few years.

whatever else you want to say about TN, and i still think it's a good job, this one factor, and that recruiting is such a big part of this game, is one that will not go unnoticed. it's not a reason not to make change, but it definitely could be a reason for someone to choose not to come here.....

so i agree with Lex (from the other thread about this topic), the guy that comes here has to want to be here, want to do the work, want to pay attention to the details etc.....
 
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VolfanMike said:
I read somewhere Billy is going to have some kind of surgery maybe....what's the latest on that?? Nothing major is it??
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Back surgery from years of problems that are getting to the point that he needs some relief. Don't really know what is involved.


TuskALoosa said:
That's also why Nick took a 1 million dollar pay cut to leave Miami and come to Tuscaloosa. Thank the Lord that he had different views on this great city than RRod.
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$4 million in Tuscaloosa is the equivalent of $10 million in Miami.
 
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Population has been pointed out as a weakness in Tennessee, yet South Carolina, Alabama, and Louisiana all have smaller populations than Tennessee. The middle school argument seemed like a good argument, but people began to point out that there are several place in Tennessee that have middle school football.

Why are states that are smaller than Tennessee (Bama, Cajun Country, and Carolina) really able to produce more players?
 
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I don't understand Alabama being a better job than Tennessee.

Facilities alone in Knoxville are better than Tuscaloosa.

Don't sleep on the fact that the University of Tennessee's Athletic Department is self-supporting. They take no money from the state, and in reality actually help fund the Academic side of the University. That's a big plus for a coach smart enough to recognize it as a perk.

The AD doesn't have nearly the pressure from the Administration in a situation like that, as opposed to somewhere that doesn't have that luxury.
 
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VolfanMike said:
When you get into that kind of money 4 million-5million a year to coach football, does it really matter if you take a million dollar pay cut? I mean thats got to be like monopoly money at some point. Just IMO.
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Do you know what kind of stable full of fresh Hooter's swimsuit models I could keep for 1 million a year. I'm thinking about 15 or 20 that I could rotate in and out every 2 or 3 months.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
Do you know what kind of stable full of fresh Hooter's swimsuit models I could keep for 1 million a year. I'm thinking about 15 or 20 that I could rotate in and out every 2 or 3 months.
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In Tusacloosa, more like 150-200 for a mill a year.
 
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If LSU is high on everyone's list, then why are they potentially looking for a new head coach (again) if these rumours are true. Saban left, Miles will leave after 3 seasons. Is baton rouge just crappy place to live?
 
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