"Tennessee has a bust problem"

#76
#76
We can coach guys up too. The best example of this is Jennings. For all the blame Azzanni gets for Marquez North he deserves credit for Jennings. The guy went from a high school quarterback to a legit SEC wide receiver in under 24 months.
 
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SobeVol said:
Jones's only claim to fame has been his recruiting and with info like this out there the recruits are going to jump ship.
If we wait to drop him( which we will) then we are back to a bare cup board for our new coaching search for 2018.

Stupid to wait, but we shall.
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Lol right beating Florida for the first time in over a decade wasn't ****. Btw just in case you really believe that, how many times have we beaten them since let's say, 2001?
 
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rebelpride96 said:
We can coach guys up too. The best example of this is Jennings. For all the blame Azzanni gets for Marquez North he deserves credit for Jennings. The guy went from a high school quarterback to a legit SEC wide receiver in under 24 months.
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True and Malone. Byrd has done well for a true freshman as well.
 
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Mark Howard gave the Bust article major airplay on 104.5 in Nashville this morning. Pretty much said that an elite prospect has double the chance to go pro at Bama as at UTK and borderline accused Butch of taking overrated prospects on purpose to fluff up the ranking #s. I doubt we'll get a commit from anyone who listened to that segment.
 
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#81
The only bust problem Tennessee has is some of the posters in this thread. I agree with the majority of posters that calling a freshman or sophomore, particularly injured or playing behind future NFL pick, a bust isn't really fair or reaonable. Gonna be a lot of egg on faces come this time next year when all these busts are going to have Tennessee in the top ten and looking at a New Year's Day bowl. Do we need depth? Yes. Are injuries a problem? Sure. I'm willing to bet no one is working that harder than Coach and staff.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The author of this crap would have called Reggie White a bust after his sophomore season in 1981... Actually, Reggie didn't do much until his monster senior season in '83.

Here are some other 'busts' - if you only include their first two years of eligibility:

Jason Witten (made very little impact until the Citrus Bowl vs Michigan at the end of 2001)
Robert Meachem (didn't do much until his junior year in 2006)
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Fans were furious of how little both of them were used at the time.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
Lol right beating Florida for the first time in over a decade wasn't ****. Btw just in case you really believe that, how many times have we beaten them since let's say, 2001?
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laj should have beaten them in '15 & '14, but his godawful coaching lost both those games.
 
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You can't call someone a bust for not being an underclassman super-star. This is ludicrous. And on top of that, you list multiple productive starters as "busts"?

North was injured, Hurd quit, Williams quit -- I see no fault of the coaches on those three, and no evidence that their problems were "lack of development".
 
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CA_Vol said:
It's hard to argue against the fact that many of our top recruits either do not develop in any meaningful way or take years to do it. It is frankly why I believe we haven't seen the success come yet.

Butch Jones and Tennessee have an alarming deficiency developing talent

"Since Butch Jones took over at Tennessee in December of 2012, he's gotten his fair share of those Top100-caliber recruits. In the classes of 2013, 2014 and 2015, Jones has brought in 10 players out of the high school ranks that fell into the Top100 according to the recruiting industry generated 247Sports Composite.

Those players were:

DT, Kahlil McKenzie (No. 6, class of 2015)

WR, Josh Malone (No. 36, class of 2014)

DE, Kyle Phillips (No. 36, class of 2015)

RB, Jalen Hurd (No. 40, class of 2014)

WR, Preston Williams (No. 48, class of 2015)

DT, Shy Tuttle (No. 53, class of 2015)

OT, Drew Richmond (No. 54, class of 2015)

S, Todd Kelly Jr. (No. 61, class of 2014)

WR, Marquez North (No. 90, class of 2013)

LB, Dillon Bates (No. 95, class of 2014)

Since arriving on campus, that group has been a collective bust. If we say that a Top100 player should correlate in talent to a NFL draft pick in the first three rounds (which is the way 247Sports projects our rankings), then Tennessee has hit on three of 10 if we're being generous.

Two of those hits would be Shy Tuttle and Jalen Hurd. While Tuttle has been very good when he's on the field, injury issues have rendered him ineffective this fall. Meanwhile Hurd has voluntarily left the team just a few yards shy of Tennessee's all-time rushing record. NFL sources have indicated to me that despite his red flags, he's still very much in the picture as a high draft pick.

After a slow start to his career, Josh Malone is having a breakout junior season at wide receiver and still has time to "make it," so we included him in the three-out-of-10 tally. McKenzie, Richmond and Phillips still have time to develop, too, even if it looks unlikely that they fulfill their lofty expectations. Preston Williams flashed early in his career but if he matches his ranking it will be at Colorado State, where he's transferred.

So that puts Tennessee in a best-case scenario of a 30 percent hit rate on franchise players. Of course maybe it's not Tennessee's fault that its players are overrated. But when you compare similarly ranked players at some of Tennessee's rivals, there's a huge discrepancy in that hit rate."
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Another disturbing trend is the amount of injuries. North could have been great but was never healthy. Also out of that list all the guys who have missed games...not good. Something is not right in terms of S&C or practice.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I've tried to find a "Georgia has a bust problem" article on the internet with no luck... They certainly do have MANY more 5 star players on their roster than we do but strangely an even worse record (7-5) and we've beaten them the last two years while they also lost to Vanderbilt.
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Perhaps Georgia's media doesn't undercut their own programs.
 
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Concept said:
You can't call someone a bust for not being an underclassman super-star. This is ludicrous. And on top of that, you list multiple productive starters as "busts"?

North was injured, Hurd quit, Williams quit -- I see no fault of the coaches on those three, and no evidence that their problems were "lack of development".
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I didn't write the article, but I think you're in the minority who believe Butch doesn't have a development problem. 5* are program changing players. Ours don't either develop at all or are well into their Jr / Sr years before they "show" up. These players have to be immediate impact guys & simply haven't been. And there are toon many examples to just chalk it up to "the player wasn't what everyone thought they were "
 
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