"Tennessee has a bust problem"

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BowlBrother85 said:
*Cough* Derek Barnett *Clear Throat*

These 10 players don't tell the whole story. This is a superficial hit piece.
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Barnett is one out of how many players that Jones has recruited??

Probably wanna get another Butch flavored lozenge for that cough the way you are jumping on everyone in this thread.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Barnett is one out of how many players that Jones has recruited??

Probably wanna get another Butch flavored lozenge for that cough the way you are jumping on everyone in this thread.
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Look, I'm not saying that Butch doesn't deserve some heat (I wouldn't care if he did walk except that it will cost us Guarantano) but this column was superficial. Most of the players cited have two years of eligibility left and Phillips, Tuttle and McKenzie should all start next year. Now is not the time to judge them. It's not the criticism of Butch that bothers me... It's calling our guys 'busts' who still have half of their career left that is BS.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Look, I'm not saying that Butch doesn't deserve some heat (I wouldn't care if he did walk except that it will cost us Guarantano) but this column was superficial. Most of the players cited have two years of eligibility left and Phillips should start next year. Now is not the time to judge them. It's not the criticism of Butch that bothers me... It's calling our guys 'busts' who still have half of their career left that is BS.
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i agree with that. the future is not written.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Look, I'm not saying that Butch doesn't deserve some heat (I wouldn't care if he did walk except that it will cost us Guarantano) but this column was superficial. Most of the players cited have two years of eligibility left and Phillips, Tuttle and McKenzie should all start next year. Now is not the time to judge them. It's not the criticism of Butch that bothers me... It's calling our guys 'busts' who still have half of their career left that is BS.
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OK. I can totally buy that. No argument here. Good call on Barnett by the way.

Players aren't officially "busts" until they get kicked off, quit, or their eligibility is up.

That being said, I think Simmons has some valid points to be made on the overall development even if he doesn't dig into the entire roster.

Think we can all agree that it would have been nice this season if nice of Richmond and Bates in particular could develop at a faster rate.Two major positions of need given the injuries and given their rankings, you have to think the physical talent was there.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Look, I'm not saying that Butch doesn't deserve some heat (I wouldn't care if he did walk except that it will cost us Guarantano) but this column was superficial. Most of the players cited have two years of eligibility left and Phillips, Tuttle and McKenzie should all start next year. Now is not the time to judge them. It's not the criticism of Butch that bothers me... It's calling our guys 'busts' who still have half of their career left that is BS.
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The one other thing I will say is that Simmons gave Jones credit for Maybin, Barnett, and Sutton.


The Top100 prospects don't tell the full story with Butch Jones. Derek Barnett is a likely first-round pick and was ranked just outside the Top100. Cam Sutton was a three-star that is sure to get drafted. If Jalen Reeves-Maybin stays healthy he'll be a pro for years.
 
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I think most people don't understand what a five-star recruit really is. It doesn't mean that they are vastly more talented than a three star recruit, it simply means that they are physically most ready to play at the next level. In most cases if a five-star recruit cannot make a significant impact by year 2 they will not make much of an impact at all.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Much like Jones likes to say that " players develop at their own pace", it appears that you're developing as a poster as well.

OP cut and paste that from the article, he wasn't saying he personally had NFL sources.
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So...."NFL sources have indicated to me"..who is the "me" he is referring to?
 
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landscapingvol said:
I would hardly call Hurd, Malone, Tuttle, or TK jr. busts. That's just silly. McKenzie was coming off of a broken leg and didn't even play his senior year. Richmond has been doing much better and is just a rs freshman. Preston Williams quit and Hurd was on pace to break UT's rushing record. Kyle Phillips and Dillon Bates have been busts; 2 out of 10 is hardly Earth shattering no matter how much you want it to be.
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So he should have been a 3* ? Plenty of booms and plenty of talk about resting his SR year and working out with NFL trainers....
 
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fade route said:
I think most people don't understand what a five-star recruit really is. It doesn't mean that they are vastly more talented than a three star recruit, it simply means that they are physically most ready to play at the next level. In most cases if a five-star recruit cannot make a significant impact by year 2 they will not make much of an impact at all.
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But it's all about the * ranking!

Heart, desire, & will to win have nothing to do with it.
 
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fade route said:
I think most people don't understand what a five-star recruit really is. It doesn't mean that they are vastly more talented than a three star recruit, it simply means that they are physically most ready to play at the next level. In most cases if a five-star recruit cannot make a significant impact by year 2 they will not make much of an impact at all.
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I don't buy that in the case of linemen especially if they are stuck behind quality veteran starters. There are also factors such as injuries to consider.

However, that logic probably would apply to backs and receivers. That Preston Williams didn't get many reps last year was a red flag.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Why don't you haters just go burn his damn house down? I'm sick and tired of all your childish bellyaching.
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No need to be that dramatic


Most on here would argue that butch deserves (at least) some heat.

And this article attempts to show a fault of butch's (developing talent (or perhaps evaluating talent)). I don't agree with everything the writer says, but he does point a finger at something many people here have been concerned about.

Nobody is going to burn anything other than a mattress or couch
 
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Catbone said:
Malone, Tuttle, and Mckenzie, are good. Richmond seems to be coming along now. Kelly is average. Bates hasn't done anything. North didn't do much outside two great catches. Phillips hasn't done anything. Hurd quit. Williams quit.
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Jauan Jennings
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
The one other thing I will say is that Simmons gave Jones credit for Maybin, Barnett, and Sutton.


The Top100 prospects don't tell the full story with Butch Jones. Derek Barnett is a likely first-round pick and was ranked just outside the Top100. Cam Sutton was a three-star that is sure to get drafted. If Jalen Reeves-Maybin stays healthy he'll be a pro for years.
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I would also point out that Darrin Kirkland Jr was just outside the top 100 as well and had a great freshman season but was injured and/or hobbled most of this season.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would also point out that Darrin Kirkland Jr was just outside the top 100 as well and had a great freshman season but was injured and/or hobbled most of this season.
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And at the end of all this, Jones has developed a top 10 preseason team into an 8-4 train wreck looking at Nashville or Charlotte as a pre New Years destination.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
And at the end of all this, Jones has developed a top 10 preseason team into an 8-4 train wreck looking at Nashville or Charlotte as a pre New Years destination.
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Right. We would still be in the top 10 if we had beaten South Carolina and Vanderbilt. I'm not defending those losses. That's ridiculous and he should be more accountable than he has been so far. I'm not defending his coaching or his tired coach speak rhetoric.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The author of this crap would have called Reggie White a bust after his sophomore season in 1981... Actually, Reggie didn't do much until his monster senior season in '83.

Here are some other 'busts' - if you only include their first two years of eligibility:

Jason Witten (made very little impact until the Citrus Bowl vs Michigan at the end of 2001)
Robert Meachem (didn't do much until his junior year in 2006)
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And many many more. I think Video game football has confused some people's grasp of reality.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Right. We would still be in the top 10 if we had beaten South Carolina and Vanderbilt. I'm not defending those losses. That's ridiculous and he should be more accountable than he has been so far. I'm not defending his coaching or his tired coach speak rhetoric.
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Yep. It's unfortunate but I don't think player development is in the top 3 of his issues at the moment.
 
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fade route said:
I think most people don't understand what a five-star recruit really is. It doesn't mean that they are vastly more talented than a three star recruit, it simply means that they are physically most ready to play at the next level. In most cases if a five-star recruit cannot make a significant impact by year 2 they will not make much of an impact at all.
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Have any sources on that?
 
#49
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All will be fixed when Butch is fired next season and the Tee Martin era begins. Butch can recruit, but can't coach. Tennessee is too big of a job for Butch.
 
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