Tennessee Football is Dead Last...

#27
#27
DaphneVol said:
All that matters is points allowed / PPG.

Points allowed through 7 games each of the last 3 yrs

2012 - 233 PA or 33 ppg
2013 - 189 PA or 27 ppg
2014 - 149 PA or 21 ppg
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Not true. Have to take short fields and non-offensive TDs into account.

YPP, yards per play, and PPP, points per possession, are the best measures.
 
#28
#28
madbamahater said:
When you have absolutely ZERO offense and routinely give the other team very short fields, this stat is no shock. I think the defense is doing about all they can to win.

I blame this stat soley on UTs sorry ass offense.........
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Exactly. Sorry O also leads to the D being on the field for 10 more minutes a game with 30 second 3 and out breaks in between. Our D stats are even more impressive if you take time of possession & plays per game into account.

Granted, I have to agree that when they're stopping them, they're stopping them. Once a big play hits, they seem a bit demoralized and seem to fold a bit easier the rest of the series.
 
#29
#29
KappinSpaulding said:
GTFO out of here with depressing stats and facts.
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What's depressing about the D? The D is very, very encouraging. I banged on Jancek pretty hard last year for personnel decisions, playcalling, and coaching. Many try to lay the improvement off on talent only.

BUT... the coaching is GREATLY improved as are the personnel decisions. MOST of the things that have resulted in the improvement were available to some extent last year. For instance, they could have gone undersized on the DL with Walls at DT. He had played DT and was better there than DE IMO. Hood and McCullers were a huge drag on the D.
 
#30
#30
chargervol said:
Very true. I hate how many times they have to defend the short field also.
Worn out and constantly put in bad positions, yet performing the way they have is about all we can ask.
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With even a moderate OL... this is a top 3 or 4 D in the SEC.

If they can somehow keep Bama from getting out of hand... that's probably where they'll finish the season. I think UK is an illusion. Vandy and Mizzou are bad O's. USCe is the best of the last 4 O's they face and UT matches up well against them. I would not be surprised to see UT hold those 4 opponents to an avg of less than 15 ppg.
 
#31
#31
My eyes tell me the defense has improved, only stat I need. The Sal/Dooley defense probably had pretty good red zone stats because the opponents scored before they got to the red zone.
 
#32
#32
sjt18 said:
There's nothing wrong with this defense that a good OL wouldn't fix. UT's O doesn't keep the ball or score enough points. That's 90% of the problem with the D.
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This.

Control the ball on offense with fewer TO's and the opponent has fewer possessions and longer fields to do damage. In addition to adding depth to the defense, these two things change it all. Nobody should doubt this D has significantly improved.
 
#33
#33
I think the the reason for these poor defensive redzone numbers has to be a lack of depth, especially on the d line. By the end of the drives, the d is worn down because we don't sub much. Plus we play more man to man than zone (slower safeties). I think that contributes to the lack of turnovers forced. Nothing better than a good zone blitz in the defensive red zone.
 
#34
#34
sjt18 said:
What's depressing about the D? The D is very, very encouraging. I banged on Jancek pretty hard last year for personnel decisions, playcalling, and coaching. Many try to lay the improvement off on talent only.

BUT... the coaching is GREATLY improved as are the personnel decisions. MOST of the things that have resulted in the improvement were available to some extent last year. For instance, they could have gone undersized on the DL with Walls at DT. He had played DT and was better there than DE IMO. Hood and McCullers were a huge drag on the D.
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I love this defense; they are a bright spot on this team. The aforementioned stat is sad though. What can you expect when the can't get a breather?
 
#35
#35
goldvol said:
Whatever makes you feel better about not having 1 stop in the Red Zone. Glad you feel better to compare Tennessee football to Ga St.
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well lets compare us to Auburn

us 16 red zone, 11 tds 5 fgs
them 23 red zone, 12 td's 4 fgs

auburn is considered the 8th best redzone d and we have given up less points. I would rather us stop teams before they get to the redzone, but thats just me.
 
#36
#36
goldvol said:
in Red Zone Defense.

I came across this thread from 2 years ago http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/178007-tennessee-dead-last-120th.html where we were in a similar position, at the end of the Dooley years.
I decided to recheck it, since our defense has improved so dramatically. I expected to see us in the top half, but low and behold, as far as giving up points in the Red Zone, we are dead last. On top of that, we give up points 100% of the time in the Red Zone!!! On top of that, 69% of the time we are giving up touchdowns in the Red Zone.

This really has me thinking about the progress that our defense has made. This is the opposite of the 'bend don't break' mentallity. Our defense is amazing, until the opponent gets in the Red Zone. Unbelievable that we don't have 1 stop or turnover in that area.

Red Zone Defense | FBS Football Statistics - NCAA.com
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This doesn't tell the whole story. Teams rarely get in the red zone against us. By the time teams are getting in the red zone consistently it's in the 2nd half when our defense is gassed from the offense not staying on the field. That makes it look worse than it is.

The truth is if our offense was better and our defense could get the crucial rest they need, not only would teams have trouble scoring in the red zone, they would rarely get there.
 
#38
#38
goldvol said:
in Red Zone Defense.

I came across this thread from 2 years ago http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/178007-tennessee-dead-last-120th.html where we were in a similar position, at the end of the Dooley years.
I decided to recheck it, since our defense has improved so dramatically. I expected to see us in the top half, but low and behold, as far as giving up points in the Red Zone, we are dead last. On top of that, we give up points 100% of the time in the Red Zone!!! On top of that, 69% of the time we are giving up touchdowns in the Red Zone.

This really has me thinking about the progress that our defense has made. This is the opposite of the 'bend don't break' mentallity. Our defense is amazing, until the opponent gets in the Red Zone. Unbelievable that we don't have 1 stop or turnover in that area.

Red Zone Defense | FBS Football Statistics - NCAA.com
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You know that offensive juggernaut Muschamp is coaching?
Redzone Offense:
7. Florida


I think this is a misleading stat, though. In 7 games, Tennessee only allowed teams in the red zone 16 times, and most of the time, they got there after our offense couldn't stay on the field all game and the defense finally got winded, or there was a turnover that caused bad field position. But considering 3 of those 7 games were against Oklahoma, Georgia, and Ole Miss, allowing them in the red zone only 16 times is pretty amazing.
 
#40
#40
Wow, you guys are some Sunshine Pumpers! I like this new Volnation attitude. Tennessee dead last in Red Zone defense, but hey it doesn't matter if we can't stop them in the Red Zone, because we only let them in there a certain number of times. I mean. Kind of completely misses the point of the whole Red Zone defense number. Mississippi State has only let them in 19 times, but is at the top of the list because they can actually keep a team from scoring in the Red Zone.

It woudn't be better for our team and our defense if we were ranked higher on this list?
You guys are talking about twisting statistics around, while making excuses for why we don't have 1 stop in the Red Zone. Yes, I am happy with the improvement our defense has made. I still would like to see us stop some teams in the Red Zone and create some turnovers.
 
#41
#41
How about this? Auburn is ranked number 8 in red zone defense at 69.6%.

Team UT AU
RZ ATT 16 23
RZ Scores 16 16
RZ TD 11 12
RZ FG 5 4

Which would you rather have? The truth is a FG in the RZ is a win for the defense any day of the week. You can spin stats any way you want to, but in 7 games our defense has only allowed the opponent in the RZ 16 times and has forced field goals 5 times. If I counted right, 16 RZ attempts ties for 8th in the country.
 
#42
#42
However:

we are only allowing 2.3 red zone opportunities per game to FBS opponents though, which is in the top 10 nationally.

Last year we allowed 4.3.

I'm not going to look up 2012 because our "red zone" that year was any time the opponent possessed the football.
 
#43
#43
madbamahater said:
When you have absolutely ZERO offense and routinely give the other team very short fields, this stat is no shock. I think the defense is doing about all they can to win.

I blame this stat soley on UTs sorry ass offense.........
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I blame it on our opponents having good field goal kickers.:idea:
 
#44
#44
goldvol said:
in Red Zone Defense.

I came across this thread from 2 years ago http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/178007-tennessee-dead-last-120th.html where we were in a similar position, at the end of the Dooley years.
I decided to recheck it, since our defense has improved so dramatically. I expected to see us in the top half, but low and behold, as far as giving up points in the Red Zone, we are dead last. On top of that, we give up points 100% of the time in the Red Zone!!! On top of that, 69% of the time we are giving up touchdowns in the Red Zone.

This really has me thinking about the progress that our defense has made. This is the opposite of the 'bend don't break' mentallity. Our defense is amazing, until the opponent gets in the Red Zone. Unbelievable that we don't have 1 stop or turnover in that area.

Red Zone Defense | FBS Football Statistics - NCAA.com
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When the offense keeps giving up the ball on our side of the field, it's going to cause that stat to get worse since the D isn't being given much to work with.
 
#45
#45
When the offense is 3 and out 90% of the time, the defense will eventually break down. The defense is vastly improved regardless of the stats.
 
#47
#47
jkleno said:
When the offense is 3 and out 90% of the time, the defense will eventually break down. The defense is vastly improved regardless of the stats.
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I agree the defense has improved, dramatically in my opinion. However, there is no denying that they have not improved in Red Zone defense.

I asked my colleague at work, and he had a good observation. Tennessee's defense now is built more around speed than the defense 2 years ago. In his opinion, in the red zone, the game is less about speed and more about tough, hardnosed football. Just an observation.
 
#50
#50
sjt18 said:
UT is allowing 21.3 ppg. That's 8 ppg better than last year. It is the best they've done since 2008. I feel pretty good that after Bama that number will improve... just a question of how much damage Bama will do to it.

FWIW, the defenses UT will have faced in the SEC after Bama are ranked 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 10th in scoring for an avg of 4.5. The last 4 are ranked 8th, 9th, 13th, and 14th for an avg of 11th.

The last 4 opponents' O's are ranked 9th, 10th, 11th, and 14th in scoring for an avg of 11th. The first 4 SEC opponents are currently ranked 1st, 6th, 7th, and 12th for an avg of 6.75.

There is a very steep drop off in opponents to finish the year. These will be an excellent tests of the improvements that are supposedly occurring that we can't see during games right now.
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If you take the 42 points off the board that stemmed directly from miscues by the offense in the Ole Miss, GA, FL, and Oklahoma games, that PPG average looks even better.

Scoring defense and 3rd down defense are about the only two stats that really matter to me at the end of the day. Everything else just branches off from those two.

Limiting the points are they giving up and how often are they getting it back to the offense is pretty much the primary jobs for the defense IMO.
 
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