Tennessee continues to play the best from the West

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fade route said:
Even though you're being a punk and a child, I'll respond anyway. It's not a fear of losses, it's about balance in the league and making sure that everyone plays as fair of a schedule as possible from year to year. But hey, since you're such a badass fan, call the AD and request that we schedule Clemson, Ohio St, Michigan, and Louisville for our non-conference schedule in the next few years.
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You may have missed it but UT already schedules teams like that. No way to know what they'll be when the game is actually played though

The point is you weren't whining about balance and fairness (need a safe space?) when UT was beating up on those teams or when other teams in the east missed out on the seccg because they played a harder draw than UT. Your argument has no consistency
 
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It's not like UGA, UF, and USCe play cupcakes while we get Bama.

Auburn has owned us, LSU has owned us, A&M is TBD.

We've been losing to all of them.
 
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fade route said:
I would be in favor of abolishing the permanent cross division opponent. I know that's blasphemy around here to suggest we not play Bama around here, but its not a fair system.
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This is a sign of the times.. Not many years ago most would have though dropping the 3rd Sat. in Oct. would be the end of football as we know it. Now games like this have lost much of their importance due to the conference champ. game and the national playoffs.
 
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fade route said:
I would be in favor of abolishing the permanent cross division opponent. I know that's blasphemy around here to suggest we not play Bama around here, but its not a fair system.
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I totally understand but just imagine when Saban retires.. then it would suck to lose the rivalry. Think long term, Saban can't possibly be there more than 4-5 more years. He'll be 65 this month! Does anyone see Saban coaching into his 70s? He's made enough money for the next 4 generations of his family and I'm sure he's wise enough to understand what the stress of the job can do to an old heart.

I say we keep biting the bullet, weather the storm. Butch may be around for a very long time to come, and it may come to pass that THEY think its unfair they have to play Tennessee every year :rock:
 
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utvolpj said:
I posted nothing about VN. Did you tell someone in the late 90's that beating up on bama wasn't fair and the series should end? Of course not because they would have laughed at you (even more than usual)
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I have always been a supporter of keeping the 3rd sat in October.

BUT...

Now we have a playoff and we never did before. Playing Alabama every year doesn't do anything good for Tennessee, in fact its the opposite, it hurts us. Its time to drop the crossover games and do a fair rotation schedule instead.

Times change and traditions change too. Its time this tradition ended.
 
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swilli89 said:
I totally understand but just imagine when Saban retires.. then it would suck to lose the rivalry. Think long term, Saban can't possibly be there more than 4-5 more years. He'll be 65 this month! Does anyone see Saban coaching into his 70s? He's made enough money for the next 4 generations of his family and I'm sure he's wise enough to understand what the stress of the job can do to an old heart.

I say we keep biting the bullet, weather the storm. Butch may be around for a very long time to come, and it may come to pass that THEY think its unfair they have to play Tennessee every year :rock:
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My heart agrees with every word you said.

But my mind says its not good for our chances to reach the playoffs and its time to move on.
 
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Remy said:
If you are a competitor and ultimately want to play for championships in the SEC you embrace and WANT to play the best teams in the West. You simply cannot be the best or THE man unless you beat the best or THE man. Shirk or shrink from playing the best to be the best, Tennessee is not the place for you.
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it is easy to say, oh, you should want to play and beat the best every year. Fact is, playing bama every year is a major disadvantage for us. It's a long season: this idea that any team is going to play 11-12 good games and beat everybody is silly--rarely happens. Your schedule means something. I mean, it's hard to have a good year if you are playing florida, georgia and bama every season, plus one other good west opponent plus, some year, a good non-conference foe like OU or Oregon. You are going to lose games. I like playing a tough schedule--but not an impossible schedule.
 
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fade route said:
Even though you're being a punk and a child, I'll respond anyway. It's not a fear of losses, it's about balance in the league and making sure that everyone plays as fair of a schedule as possible from year to year. But hey, since you're such a badass fan, call the AD and request that we schedule Clemson, Ohio St, Michigan, and Louisville for our non-conference schedule in the next few years.
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Could have sworn I saw you post in another thread yesterday how college football's traditions make it so much better than the NFL. TSIO is a college football tradition in my opinion. Shouldn't go anywhere, but I bet it does get cancelled eventually.
 
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VonVol said:
Could have sworn I saw you post in another thread yesterday how college football's traditions make it so much better than the NFL. TSIO is a college football tradition in my opinion. Shouldn't go anywhere, but I bet it does get cancelled eventually.
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I did, and I was referring to quirky game day traditions, not rivalries.
 
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utvolpj said:
You may have missed it but UT already schedules teams like that. No way to know what they'll be when the game is actually played though

The point is you weren't whining about balance and fairness (need a safe space?) when UT was beating up on those teams or when other teams in the east missed out on the seccg because they played a harder draw than UT. Your argument has no consistency
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My opinion on this subject has support on this thread, I'll just leave it at that.
 
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utvolpj said:
Point is you want the wins without the fear of losses. It's a defeatist attitude and one that Jones has to work hard to get out off the program
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I don't think that's a defeatist attitude at all to suggest that playing the best team/program every year, when your in division opponents don't have that burden, is inherently unfair to the Vols. I'd be willing that Butch and the boys would much,much rather be hosting either Auburn or Mississippi State a week from Saturday in Neyland rather than the perennial #1 team in the country. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about it either way, but it's Fade's comment wasn't unreasonable at all IMO.
 
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KBVol said:
I don't think that's a defeatist attitude at all to suggest that playing the best team/program every year, when your in division opponents don't have that burden, is inherently unfair to the Vols. I'd be willing that Butch and the boys would much,much rather be hosting either Auburn or Mississippi State a week from Saturday in Neyland rather than the perennial #1 team in the country. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about it either way, but it's Fade's comment wasn't unreasonable at all IMO.
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It only became an issue when bama became good again. No one was complaining when they were on the level of this year's Auburn or Mississippi State. Did bama want to give up the UT game because we beat them? They took their beatings and got better so maybe UT should figure out a way to do the same. But I guess it's just easier to run away and hide (especially when you have "support")
 
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KBVol said:
I don't think that's a defeatist attitude at all to suggest that playing the best team/program every year, when your in division opponents don't have that burden, is inherently unfair to the Vols. I'd be willing that Butch and the boys would much,much rather be hosting either Auburn or Mississippi State a week from Saturday in Neyland rather than the perennial #1 team in the country. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about it either way, but it's Fade's comment wasn't unreasonable at all IMO.
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I doubt anyone on the team doesn't want a shot at bama
 
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vols4evah said:
I have always been a supporter of keeping the 3rd sat in October.

BUT...

Now we have a playoff and we never did before. Playing Alabama every year doesn't do anything good for Tennessee, in fact its the opposite, it hurts us. Its time to drop the crossover games and do a fair rotation schedule instead.

Times change and traditions change too. Its time this tradition ended.
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you can't predict what's fair in advance anyway. bama played 3 of the best teams in the west last year and we were the 4th and had 'em beat. now we are in the same situation this year as they were last year. we are the better team imo between us,TA-M, Ala. we just need to bear down, play hard, and quit making foolish mistakes. we are half-way through the toughest 4 and batting 1.000. chances are whether we win or lose the last 2 of these 4 there will be a rematch provided we make it to the seccg. a lot remains to be seen and losing 1 of these next 2 and then winning a rematch in the seccg could put us in the national playoff. my gut tells me this team is going to step up these two games for some reason. i think the higher the opponent is ranked the better this team plays and better yet i feel this is still a young team and very good players are waiting in the wings we need to put opponents away early and get these newer players some reps. i don't see any need to change the scheduling. Fla. has LSU. Ga. has auburn every year. just the way it is. change it and some other team will complain for some reason.
 
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Let's try to retain some perspective; neither Fade nor KB are responsible for scheduling our games. Dominance is cyclical, yes. But BAMA has the best historical winning percentage in the SEC (#6 in NCAA. UT #11 in NCAA). With the new playoff format which is likely to be expanded, the risks of playing a dominant program which has a history of exceptional performance outweighs the rewards.
 
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utvolpj said:
It only became an issue when bama became good again. No one was complaining when they were on the level of this year's Auburn or Mississippi State. Did bama want to give up the UT game because we beat them? They took their beatings and got better so maybe UT should figure out a way to do the same. But I guess it's just easier to run away and hide (especially when you have "support")
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Have you been complaining on here or anywhere else that we didn't play LSU the last 5 years when they were a juggernaut? No?
 
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Yeah, but we're Tennessee. When we are where we WANT to be, having Bama on the schedule every year is just an extra benefit.

We're still working our way there, but we're getting pretty darn close.

Honor history, respect the program's potential, keep Bama and the Third Saturday in October.

Go Vols!


p.s. Crazy stats, KB, thanks for digging them out and sharing!
 
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