Tennessee > Arkansas

#51
#51
3 Rocky Top Cove said:
Petrino thinks he can win at Arkansas. He agreed to a 16 million buyout to keep other schools from being able to tell recruits that he is likely to leave. That buyout drops significantly after a couple of years.

I agree that Dooley is not a proven head coach. I like what I see so far.
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I guess it all depends on how one defines "significantly" dropped. After a couple years his buyout is very big just not 16 million. I love how some on here will bash other coaches who actually WIN and defend our coach who has YET to do so.
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#52
#52
TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
You tell me? I am not the one saying he is unproven. How many years of HC experience would you have liked for him to have? How many games, championships, etc. should he have won before he became UT's coach? IF we would have hired Muschamp, would you have the same "unproven" criticism? He still has never coached a single college game as a head coach. Did you have the same criticism of Kitten? He had never coached a single college game and was awful in the NFL before he was hired.

All I am saying is that the "unproven" criticism aimed at Dooley or any other HC is unfair because they didn't hire themselves. Dooley got a tremendous opportunity in an impossible situation and he took it. If you believe that he is unproven, fine, but, imho, for anyone to respond to anything good that is said about him with the "unproven" remark is unfair and should be aimed at Mike Hamilton not Dooley.
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I don't think he's unproven, I think he's a loser, that Hambone's saddled UT with

and yes I had the same criticism of Kiffin
 
#53
#53
Bray is a great QB, but we do not have a running game, and Dooley does not have Petrino's CV. It's OTJ training for him, and we still don't have confirmation of how quick a study he is. All CDD's first year showed us was that we're not going to get the worst case scenario or the best. Without a miracle going in our favor for once, we will not be Top 10 and in a BCS bowl in two years.
 
#54
#54
vol_in_il said:
I don't think he's unproven, I think he's a loser, that Hambone's saddled UT with

and yes I had the same criticism of Kiffin
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First, you have absolutely ZERO evidence that he is a loser, especially given that he has done nothing but succeed his entire life. Starred at VA after his dad would not recruit him, graduated law school, practiced law, married a doctor, named one of his three beautiful kids peyton before he ever got to TN, worked as recruiting coordinator for NC winning team at LSU, recruited and coached super bowl winning players, coached in the NFL, and performed duties as AD and HC at the I-A level. All of this before the age of 42. Pretty sure that is not the definition of loser, and calling him a loser without any evidence shows you have no argument against him whatsoever. your going to hate him no matter what he does. If he wins the SEC or NC, there is always going to be something. So sad that you will not ever get to enjoy anything that Dooley is going to do.

Second, who would you have hired? It sounds like you are chapped because Dooley was chosen over a different candidate that you wanted. Did you want Cut back? Because if i remember, Cut and the option guy from Air Force were our only other choices after Muschamp turned down our 3 mill per year deal.
 
#55
#55
TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
First, you have absolutely ZERO evidence that he is a loser, especially given that he has done nothing but succeed his entire life. Starred at VA after his dad would not recruit him, graduated law school, practiced law, married a doctor, named one of his three beautiful kids peyton before he ever got to TN, worked as recruiting coordinator for NC winning team at LSU, recruited and coached super bowl winning players, coached in the NFL, and performed duties as AD and HC at the I-A level. All of this before the age of 42. Pretty sure that is not the definition of loser, and calling him a loser without any evidence shows you have no argument against him whatsoever. your going to hate him no matter what he does. If he wins the SEC or NC, there is always going to be something. So sad that you will not ever get to enjoy anything that Dooley is going to do.

Second, who would you have hired? It sounds like you are chapped because Dooley was chosen over a different candidate that you wanted. Did you want Cut back? Because if i remember, Cut and the option guy from Air Force were our only other choices after Muschamp turned down our 3 mill per year deal.
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just his record, which is what all coaches are judged by
 
#58
#58
3 Rocky Top Cove said:
Nobody is arguing that. I said that Tennessee is in better shape than Arkansas was three years ago and look at the Hogs now.
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Really? Three coaches in three years, kids bolting left and right, DEs for DTs, walk-ons playing, special teamer's as depth and starters, and 25 schollies down; I would argue different. You guys are killing me on this board. This coaching staff has done an excellent job with what they have to work with. As long as they recruit well and continue to improve no one should be complaining. The example at the beginning gave Petrino a three year window; CDD has made it through his first. Lets give them a chance to finish what they have started. Three years from now we can reflect back to this dumb thread.
 
#59
#59
I can't believe anyone would be foolish enough to put Tennessee and Arkansas in the same breath as far as "rebuilding".

Arkansas "rebuilds" to a maximum of where they are right now. A once in a quarter century type season. Other than that they're fighting for 8-9 wins to meet their expectations.

Tennessee rebuilds to compete for National Championships. Not mimic Arkansas.


Expectations in this thread are lacking for some.
 
#60
#60
Derek Dooley is to Bobby Petrino what Bruce Pearl is to John Calipari.

Unless of course you think that Pearl is better than Calipari. Which wouldn't be surprising.
 
#61
#61
TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
First, you have absolutely ZERO evidence that he is a loser, especially given that he has done nothing but succeed his entire life. Starred at VA after his dad would not recruit him, graduated law school, practiced law, married a doctor, named one of his three beautiful kids peyton before he ever got to TN, worked as recruiting coordinator for NC winning team at LSU, recruited and coached super bowl winning players, coached in the NFL, and performed duties as AD and HC at the I-A level. All of this before the age of 42. Pretty sure that is not the definition of loser, and calling him a loser without any evidence shows you have no argument against him whatsoever. your going to hate him no matter what he does. If he wins the SEC or NC, there is always going to be something. So sad that you will not ever get to enjoy anything that Dooley is going to do.

Second, who would you have hired? It sounds like you are chapped because Dooley was chosen over a different candidate that you wanted. Did you want Cut back? Because if i remember, Cut and the option guy from Air Force were our only other choices after Muschamp turned down our 3 mill per year deal.
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What's his record?
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#62
#62
3 Rocky Top Cove said:
Not according to the gurus...they finished 24th in recruiting in 08, and outside the top 25 in '09 and '10.

I am NOT arguing that the Hogs are not in better shape NOW. I'm saying they were a bigger mess three years ago.


Yes and No. That still does not change the other facts.
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I live in AR also, but you cannot deny that Petrino currently has arguably more talent on offense than any other team in the country. Forget where his recruiting classes were ranked, Mallett, Childs, Adams, Wright, Hamilton, Williams, and Dominguez are all future NFL players. Mallett's backup Wilson will probably see the NFL. Some people even like his skill set better than Mallett, because he puts some air and touch on the ball and some say his mind for the game is better.

In two years if our offense has the amount of talent and runs like Arkansas' offense does currently then I think all vols fans will be happy and enthusiastic about where the program is going. Hopefully, by that time our defense becomes dominant, which is the one thing that held Arkansas back from playing in Atlanta this year(couldn't stop Auburn but scored enough points in that game to win three games).

I am a Vol fan through and through, and Arkansas was a big mess when Petrino came in. But forget his recruiting rankings, because Petrino looks for players that fit what he wants to do. That's where he and Dooley seem to be alike. Hopefully our coaching staff can evaluate talent as well as Arkansas has for the last 3-4 years, because that team RIGHT NOW is loaded with talent.
 
#63
#63
NationofVols said:
I can't believe anyone would be foolish enough to put Tennessee and Arkansas in the same breath as far as "rebuilding".

Arkansas "rebuilds" to a maximum of where they are right now. A once in a quarter century type season. Other than that they're fighting for 8-9 wins to meet their expectations.

Tennessee rebuilds to compete for National Championships. Not mimic Arkansas.

I agree as long as you're talking to those defending what trash our AD has brought us. Our expectations should be higher but we've fallen to a terrible athletic program over all and some fools think just because we're UT we can win with any coach. And that is NOT reality. Ask Notre Dame or Alabama.

Expectations in this thread are lacking for some.
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#65
#65
brentedens said:
I live in AR also, but you cannot deny that Petrino currently has arguably more talent on offense than any other team in the country. Forget where his recruiting classes were ranked, Mallett, Childs, Adams, Wright, Hamilton, Williams, and Dominguez are all future NFL players. Mallett's backup Wilson will probably see the NFL. Some people even like his skill set better than Mallett, because he puts some air and touch on the ball and some say his mind for the game is better.

In two years if our offense has the amount of talent and runs like Arkansas' offense does currently then I think all vols fans will be happy and enthusiastic about where the program is going. Hopefully, by that time our defense becomes dominant, which is the one thing that held Arkansas back from playing in Atlanta this year(couldn't stop Auburn but scored enough points in that game to win three games).

I am a Vol fan through and through, and Arkansas was a big mess when Petrino came in. But forget his recruiting rankings, because Petrino looks for players that fit what he wants to do. That's where he and Dooley seem to be alike. Hopefully our coaching staff can evaluate talent as well as Arkansas has for the last 3-4 years, because that team RIGHT NOW is loaded with talent.
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I agree with everything you said. This is basically my argument in the original post.

I also agree with Beef when he says that the Tennessee football tradition is much greater than that of Arkansas' hence the title of the thread.
 
#66
#66
VolBeef88 said:
What's his record?
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Answer my questions first.

And under your theory, the only support you have for Dooley being a loser is his four year coaching record at Louisiana Tech and at Tenn with the worst team Tenn has had in 25 years. So using the same logic, if Dooley goes 8-4 next year, he is no longer a loser and you will shut up, correct?
 
#67
#67
3 Rocky Top Cove said:
Those things had the fans up in arms. They didn't have the team and program nearly as upset as did Kiffin bolting for the left coast.

I don't know that Coach Dooley will be as good of a coach as Bobby Petrino, but I feel really good about him. I do know that the Vols are in a better situation than Arkansas was three years ago when they were starting so many true freshmen.
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Yea, i'm glad that we had plenty of depth this year and didn't have to start any true freshmen. Hell, we'll probably be able to redshirt most of them.
 
#68
#68
TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
La Tech was not nearly as competitive in their losses this year.
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la tech had a better record this year than they did with dooley as their coach last year..explain that. if you had a choice between petirno or dooly you would pick dooley? i dont know why you are even comparing the two schools. you could say alabama was in the same situation when saban came in..do you think we will be as good as alabama in a few years? one more thing..i havent heard of any big name recruits coming to tn yet so how can you say that they will have a better class than ark?
 
#69
#69
TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
Answer my questions first.

And under your theory, the only support you have for Dooley being a loser is his four year coaching record at Louisiana Tech and at Tenn with the worst team Tenn has had in 25 years. So using the same logic, if Dooley goes 8-4 next year, he is no longer a loser and you will shut up, correct?
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why is this the worst class they have had in 25 years? if you want to argue you dont have to just make up bs facts. the only reason their record is so bad is because they couldnt figure out how many people to put on a goal like defense and they couldnt run 1:30 off a clock to finish a game.
 
#70
#70
Mr.Fister said:
why is this the worst class they have had in 25 years? if you want to argue you dont have to just make up bs facts. the only reason their record is so bad is because they couldnt figure out how many people to put on a goal like defense and they couldnt run 1:30 off a clock to finish a game.
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I think he means the worst talent/depth, not the worst team on the field. It's clearly better than the 2008 team, although much less talented.
 
#71
#71
Apparently you people dont know that Petrino and all of the Razorback players walk on water and that all we are here in Knoxville is a binch of thugs. That is definately the opinion in Arky. You would think that Bray set off a nuclear bomb when he made the throat slashing sign the other night. But rest assured, none of the Hog players will ever do anything like that or Petrino will have them shot onsite.:banghead2:
 
#72
#72
Petrino has a winning record but he's 0-5 against FL and Bama. I don't know if thats good enough for TN fans.
 
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