Tennessee Amendment 1

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volinbham said:
of course and likewise not every abortion is about a careful consideration of health of the mother or rape or whatever pro-choicers like to hold up as examples. There are indeed choices of convenience. It's the nature of the beast - there is a wide gamut of situations involved.
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Of course not. However when you remove choice you affect all
 
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To be fair I think it's a minority that want to ban any and all abortion just as it's a minority that want no restrictions on abortion.

I doubt that the bill in question in this thread is an attempt to ban all abortion and even if it were it would run up against Constitutionality issues just as an attempt to locally ban firearms would.
 
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utvolpj said:
And that decision is sometimes made. Of course you're trying to make up a strawman based on what I've posted. I've discussed nothing except a scenario very few coven themselves with when trying to ban abortion
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Don't go LG on this by throwing up straw man.

There has to be a line drawn, a time during gestation where termination is no longer an elective option. If a person can make the decision at 1 day before full term to abort, what in reality is the difference between that and 1day after birth?

I can't even comprehend how a late term abortion could be justified to save the mothers life? Couldn't a C-section be performed?
 
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volinbham said:
To be fair I think it's a minority that want to ban any and all abortion just as it's a minority that want no restrictions on abortion.

I doubt that the bill in question in this thread is an attempt to ban all abortion and even if it were it would run up against Constitutionality issues just as an attempt to locally ban firearms would.
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It may be a minority but bigger than you think once you include the ones hiding behind only in the case of rape, incest, etc just because it's easier to sell

Based on what was posted on the OP I read it as giving power to elected officials to make the rules. I would never trust that since I watched what was proposed in VA
 
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utvolpj said:
It may be a minority but bigger than you think once you include the ones hiding behind only in the case of rape, incest, etc just because it's easier to sell

Based on what was posted on the OP I read it as giving power to elected officials to make the rules. I would never trust that since I watched what was proposed in VA
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That's exactly what it does and is so badly worded IMO that it opens up other intrusive possibilities. That is why I'm voting against it.
 
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utvolpj said:
It may be a minority but bigger than you think once you include the ones hiding behind only in the case of rape, incest, etc just because it's easier to sell

Based on what was posted on the OP I read it as giving power to elected officials to make the rules. I would never trust that since I watched what was proposed in VA
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This power already exists - it's just in the hands of a different set of elected leaders.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're quite naive in your belief that every abortion is done because of a mistake or for birth control. If you remove choice then you remove it for those who do it in the complete best interest of the child. A couple can have a pregnancy they absolutely wanted yet still choose abortion when given the option. When you remove choice they are also affected
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iirc this is a sensitive topic for you pj, but in this case you are projecting. I never claimed that every abortion was for a mistake or birth control, and I certainly realize there are exceptions that should always be considered. :hi:
 
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Gramps said:
I personally do not consider abortion a womans rights issue, I consider it a baby rights issue.

I am personally opposed to abortion but iI do not think we have the right to say a woman should or should not have one.
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You sound like so many politicians: "I am personally opposed to abortion, but......"
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
You sound like so many politicians: "I am personally opposed to abortion, but......"
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Not so. I am personally against abortion but I do not think I have the right to push my beliefs on others. I am a firm believer that God grants us the free will to live our lives the way we choose.
 
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I am anti abortion but will vote no because I am more anti being forced what to do.

That said, majority of no voters are hypocrites citing "laws off my body" bs, the same people that like the ACA.
 
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Some people believe in rape and murder. Does anyone have the right to infringe upon their beliefs in their opposition to rape and murder? Should we knowingly allow someone to commit suicide if we are able to prevent it?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Some people believe in rape and murder. Does anyone have the right to infringe upon their beliefs in their opposition to rape and murder? Should we knowingly allow someone to commit suicide if we are able to prevent it?
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Derp.
 
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Gramps said:
TN amendment 1 is becoming a hot topic that will be on the November ballot.

The proposed amendment, if approved by Tennessee voters, would give the legislature greater ability to enact abortion policy. The language of Amendment 1 is as follows:

"Nothing in this Constitution secures or protects a right to abortion or requires the funding of an abortion. The people retain the right through their elected state representatives and state senators to enact, amend, or repeal statutes regarding abortion, including circumstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest or when necessary to save the life of the mother."

What say ye VN.

Can/ Should we trust our agenda led politicians with the authority to do so or not ?
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Tennessee Vote No On Amendment1!

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Submit Us Not to Papal Law - Vote No on 1!
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
If you remove the topic of abortions from this proposed amendment, would most of you still be against it? I'm curious because as it reads to me it is trying to put the decision back at the state level, where voters (the people) do in fact have more control than at the federal level.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but that would seem to be a good thing. If the issue (as it seems some of you have indicated) is with your state representatives, then at least you have a larger voice with them than federal... vote them out of office.
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The Senate Joint Resolution 127 (SJR127) that was enacted by the Tennessee General Assembly as the Amendment 1 ballot question was drafted by out-of-state attorney Paul Linton (licensed in Illinois) - Linton was hired (and may still yet be) by the (Saint) Thomas More Society Law Center in Chicago as a Special Counsel and also retained by a handful of members within the Tennessee General Assembly

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utvolpj said:
I don't like states having the ability to limit the rights of others even through a vote. With these kinds of fringe issues it's really only the zealous supporters of one side or the other who turn out. The ones who want themselves and others to simply be left alone will not show up.
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[Passage of Amendment 1 will provide the Tennessee General Assembly with a foothold in both state and federal courts to chip away at all privacy rights currently guaranteed by the Constitution of the State of Tennessee.]

The Daily Beast:

Tennessee Voters Face a Loaded Abortion Question
Pro-life lawmakers are hoping to make the state constitution ‘abortion neutral.’ If Amendment 1 passes, it would be the first time a state has stripped an established right.
Tennessee Voters Face a Loaded Abortion Question - The Daily Beast

"Amendment 1 on the Tennessee ballot in November would strip the right to abortion from the state’s constitution, the first time that any constitution in the U.S. would be amended to remove an established right. It would also be the first time the word abortion is added to any constitution and singled out as the only medical procedure outside the zone of privacy.

“Their pitch is that this would make the constitution neutral on abortion,” says Roy Herron, a former Tennessee Democratic state senator who fought a long and often lonely battle against the legislature’s increasingly assertive GOP majority before he was defeated in 2010. “How would they like the Constitution neutral on the Second Amendment so legislators could outlaw the right to bear arms? How about making the First Amendment neutral?”

It has taken a decade for anti-abortion activists and their supporters in the Tennessee legislature to clear all the hurdles to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot. The drive for an amendment began after the Tennessee Supreme Court in 2000 ruled that three out of four restrictions on abortion passed by the legislature and challenged by Planned Parenthood and the ACLU were medically unnecessary and posed an “undue burden” on women, rendering them unconstitutional. “A woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy is a vital part of the right to privacy guaranteed by the Tennessee Constitution,” the judges wrote in their opinion..."​
 
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volinbham said:
Likewise, Pro Choice sounds all warm and fuzzy since we are vesting "choice" in the hands of the woman. Unfortunately that indicates we approve of the right of someone to end human life for what ever reason they choose due to biology.

I'm not against Choice but let's be honest too and admit this isn't like saying someone should be able to choose to do whatever they want with their body. There is another life involved and what we really have is a balancing of rights.

There's a reason why late term abortion bans are strongly supported.

I do agree with an earlier poster that as we push the boundaries of viability earlier and earlier, it becomes harder and harder to argue that "choice" should extend past a certain period.
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"Late term abortion" is also a purposely misleading term that is intended to equivocate the phrase "late term abortion" in the mind of the voting public with "last minute abortion":

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Most of the abortions in the United States occur during the 1st trimester of pregnancy, while less than two percent (<2%) of legal abortions occur during the "late term" (after 20 weeks).

Legal abortions performed at the earliest time during pregnancies are the safest and least expensive for women and all 1st trimester abortions are constitutionally protected under the U.S. Supreme Court decisions.
 
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Well, the No on 1 activist has flushed this thread down the toilet with his pie charts and creepy pictures. Thanks dude.
 
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