Tennessee #8 in CFP

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BigALWiLson said:
Texas also got blown tf out by Georgia at Home. If they lose to A&M then they will not have a quality win.
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I agree but I think the common Arkansas results will be in the mind of the committee. I think Vandy would be their best win so far.
 
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TAF said:
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How does Ohio state fall to 8 l if no chaos ? They are 2nd rn, a 2nd loss to Oregon won't make them drop six spots
 
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sami said:
As soon as strength of schedule was replaced by "strength of record" as a primary parameter, the SEC was in trouble. This was done to aid the Big 10, but it might get two G5 schools in, which I actually hope happens to show what a complete joke this thing is.
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Strength of record is how it should be but the current calculation gives too much weight to unquality wins so SOR becomes a

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VolCalls said:
They’re a G5 now, and they’ll still get the #4 seed if they win out no matter what because they’ll still be ahead of the Big 12 champion. What part of that is so hard to understand?
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Literally seen this explain 100x and yet it don't seem to sink on does it?

Seven ESPN has boise on the 4 line but at least ten people a day are sure it's wrong.

Keep up the good fight
 
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GreveHaller said:
But…..everyone said a playoff, any playoff, would fix everything…..
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Not me, I predicated this last December and here we are having another Beauty pageant looking at record not quality or record…..
Dadof2Vols said:
I wanted Alabama to beat Georgia for one reason yesterday. I wanted this whole discussion to blow up this year about is it the best or most resume deserving.

Last year they put TCU in which clearly was not one of the best 4 and the game was terrible.

The reason I wanted the discussion is because next year it will be even more important to get the best 12. Think about it. If next year you pick the 12 with the best resume, then the SEC will probably never get more than 3. Why, because 4-6 teams will all have at least 2 loses even though they will probably be better than then teams who have better resumes. If Oklahoma and Texas were part of the SEC this year as of the last rankings 6 of the 12 teams would be from SEC. No one is going to stand for that.

So I want to see people come out and say moving forward we are looking at best 12 teams and your SOR is part of it but having 0 or 1 loses does not make you part of best 12. Otherwise, Tulane, Liberty and JMU would knock 3 SEC teams out.

Sankey needs to come out and say if we are no longer going by best teams, than the SEC will stay with 8 conference game schedule and we will play no hard out of conference games and we will play as many cupcakes as Michigan and Ohio State play every year to pad our resume.

This debate is even more important to Tennessee fans come next year then it is this year. It is going to become almost impossible to have 0 and probably even 1 loss in the SEC schedule moving forward especially in a 9-conference game schedule.

It must be best 12 teams moving forward or the SEC just screwed themselves with expansion.
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KTrain said:
Michigan is as bad as I have seen them in a long while. Their QB is just not D1 material, I do not follow them enough to know (watched 2 games) their backup abilities, at least OUs QB is a good runner played @ home and they unleashed that game plan on Bama but Michigan playing at Ohio State I see no chance.
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Their back-up is a freshman who is a big boy, mostly a runner. He can't check down at all. Hes really awful buckeyes will near from scum all game and dare them to throw it
 
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I keep telling y'all GA ain't getting in unless they win the SEC championship. Georgia Tech's taking them down on Saturday.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Not me, I predicated this last December and here we are having another Beauty pageant looking at record not quality or record…..
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"Sankey needs to come out and say if we are no longer going by best teams, than the SEC will stay with 8 conference game schedule and we will play no hard out of conference games and we will play as many cupcakes as Michigan and Ohio State play every year to pad our resume."

I agree with your premise and felt the same way about the 12-team playoff last year, but the problem with this quoted part of your post is that the SEC can play four cupcakes but they still have to play an SEC schedule for the other eight games. The Big 10 conference schedule itself constitutes a cupcake schedule unless you are playing Ohio State or Oregon. Exhibits 1A and 1B are Penn State and Indiana.

That's the problem with this thing, and will continue to be. The best 12 teams in the country would always include 5-7 SEC teams unless the parameters are changed with auto bids and idiocy like "strength of record" being prioritized to 'balance' the field among the conferences and the G5.

This isn't a true playoff with the best teams competing for a championship and it was clearly never meant to be.
 
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sami said:
"Sankey needs to come out and say if we are no longer going by best teams, than the SEC will stay with 8 conference game schedule and we will play no hard out of conference games and we will play as many cupcakes as Michigan and Ohio State play every year to pad our resume."

I agree with your premise and felt the same way about the 12-team playoff last year, but the problem with this quoted part of your post is that the SEC can play four cupcakes but they still have to play an SEC schedule for the other eight games. The Big 10 conference schedule itself constitutes a cupcake schedule unless you are playing Ohio State or Oregon. Exhibits 1A and 1B are Penn State and Indiana.

That's the problem with this thing, and will continue to be. The best 12 teams in the country would always include 5-7 SEC teams unless the parameters are changed with auto bids and idiocy like "strength of record" being prioritized to 'balance' the field among the conferences and the G5.

This isn't a true playoff with the best teams competing for a championship and it was clearly never meant to be.
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@sami thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say about cupcakes. My point was no more UGA vs Clemson. No more hard non conference games to try to fix the problem Sankey has created. There is no way to fix the cupcake problem in the SEC without swapping out some schools, Crap even Candy could probably beat all the big ten schools this year maybe not 1 or 2 but maybe on a good day.

If the cupcakes are in every conference but SEC, Sankey overplayed his hand unless a real strength of record is created not the current one. One that really focus on the quality of wins. The current SOR is still weighted to much to the Beauty Pageant record of wins vs loses.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Not me, I predicated this last December and here we are having another Beauty pageant looking at record not quality or record…..
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Not sure what the issue is. I have enjoyed this immensely. Last weekend was one of the most fun Saturday’s I’ve had flipping through games watching everything play out. Something I haven’t done in many years. And none of those games would have had a single iota of relevance if there were only four teams in the playoff with only about five or six in actual contention. Every one of those games last weekend and many this weekend would be irrelevant. The playoff expansion has actually made the regular season far better. Well that’s my opinion anyway.

And more than anything this is a helluva lot more enjoyable than sitting here wondering if we’re going to be sent to the Citrus, Outback, or dumpster fire bowl.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
@sami thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say about cupcakes. My point was no more UGA vs Clemson. No more hard non conference games to try to fix the problem Sankey has created. There is no way to fix the cupcake problem in the SEC without swapping out some schools, Crap even Candy could probably beat all the big ten schools this year maybe not 1 or 2 but maybe on a good day.

If the cupcakes are in every conference but SEC, Sankey overplayed his hand unless a real strength of record is created not the current one. One that really focus on the quality of wins. The current SOR is still weighted to much to the Beauty Pageant record of wins vs loses.
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One problem with the SEC vs other conferences is they put a line in there that you must play 1 P4 OOC, I think, I may be wrong maybe all conferences do that. We played NC State and for instance A&M played Notre Dame and that really put them between a rock and a hard place with that loss. If they'd played say UCF or Cincinnati they'd be in a much better place. The thing is the Cities want the revenue from big matchups right now would not matter to UT we are selling out every game cupcake and all. When the schedules were made the powers that be were under the assumption SOR would be close to equal to record in quantifying 12 best teams. So now you see Top 25 best team polls and you see Top 12 best records(SOR be Damned)/Conference champ Qualifier for low SOR conferences and its a real $hot show.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Not sure what the issue is.
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The issue (if you care about such things) is that the whole system of selection is hideously flawed in order to get a predetermined result. Is anyone going to seriously suggest that Boise St. or SMU are on the same level as any of the 3-loss SEC teams? Alabama, A&M, hell, even USCe would wipe the field with these teams.

It's the same for the pretender Big 10 schools like Penn State and Indiana, who got exposed last week in what should have been a 4-score OSU win. Both of those teams feasted on awful schedules in a mediocre conference, and both could arguably be hosting playoff games.

If you're a casual fan just looking for entertainment, I guess there really is no issue. But if the idea is to crown a real national champion, this system falls way short. But that was never intended to be the point of the whole thing.
 
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sami said:
The issue (if you care about such things) is that the whole system of selection is hideously flawed in order to get a predetermined result. Is anyone going to seriously suggest that Boise St. or SMU are on the same level as any of the 3-loss SEC teams? Alabama, A&M, hell, even USCe would wipe the field with these teams.

It's the same for the pretender Big 10 schools like Penn State and Indiana, who got exposed last week in what should have been a 4-score OSU win. Both of those teams feasted on awful schedules in a mediocre conference, and both could arguably be hosting playoff games.

If you're a casual fan just looking for entertainment, I guess there really is no issue. But if the idea is to crown a real national champion, this system falls way short. But that was never intended to be the point of the whole thing.
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This is why I would rather just go back to the BCS NY6 games being the best system. Getting a conference championship or NY6 bowl win was considered a fantastic season. Now we have a crappy beauty contest influenced by ESPN to drive a whole bunch of drama for additional clicks.

The only alternative is to go to an NFL system where math determines if you get in, not style points, SOS, or other crap.
 
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