Tenn-Ohio State

#76
#76
1. You are absolutely right; Vols have been very impressive in winning despite a serious rebounding deficit.

2. Uh-oh. :p

3. Lofton certainly has had his off games; not many, though, I'll agree.

4. It will be fun to see J Smith trying to guard MCJr. Good matchup to watch.

We outrebounded UVA by 10.. If Chism doesn't get in foul trouble, we'll be OK. Chism is getting better and better each week. At 6'91/2, he can nail the three, can run the floor, has been a force rebounding for us, and is a pretty good passer. I'd like to see Oden put up 19 on Horford and Noah like Chism did earlier in the season. He also had 13 points in only 18 minutes on Sunday despite foul trouble.
 
#77
#77
The above is a quote from the Ohio St. board. To me, it sounds like they are worried about the VOLS! GO UT!!
this is my message from buckeyeplanet that you quoted (top of this page). though i do believe that the game is a toss-up, by no means am i afraid of the match-up. given that both teams are so young, each has changed a lot since that first game. i do expect that the bucks will handle the pressure much better than they did in that game. i also expect that your team's shooting won't be as poor. the winner will likely be the team that better addresses these areas.

i'm fine with a toss-up, too. ohio state has proven time after time that they are an especially adept team during crunch time. many of their games this year witnessed a run toward the end. i'm not just talking about the xavier game either. if you had watched the buckeyes play a number of games this year, you would have noticed this eleventh hour mindset. they are a different team--a much better team--in the last few minutes.

most of the posts that i read here follow the general line of "offensively, the vols need to--and can, of course--shoot well from the outside; the team needs to limit/control oden." though those expectations (granted, they're not the only expectations) are certainly appropriate, they are just a small portion of the picture. everyone should note that each team is comparable from behind the arc. the vols shoot 35%; the bucks shoot 36%. neither team is exceptional from that distance. the difference is that tennessee shoots 4 more per game (24 to 20 attempts). the difference in effective field goal percentage is about a half-a-point. the difference is negligible.

in my humble opinion, the game comes down to these questions:

1. will ohio state fare better this time against tennessee's pressure? the bucks figured out the press by bringing up oden. can tennessee adjust? other teams did this (bringing up big men) down the stretch, so i suspect that your players have learned and will still put tremendous pressure on our guards and forwards. if ohio state does bring up oden, will this wear him down? might you see othello hunter (6'9" with 7"+ span) in his place?

2. will tennessee shoot better than 7-of-31 from behind the arc? much of this hinges upon whether oden is taken away from the basket. if he can be, the perimeter becomes more open, as well as does the interior. of course, lofton can hit from anywhere and in the face of lots of pressure. he didn't against the bucks, though, going 3-of-11. expect to see butler and lighty on lofton. they are exceptional on-the-ball defenders. ohio state does have issues guarding the corners while in the 2-3. even with oden in the middle, the wings often get sucked toward the middle. hunter still has the mentality of a shot-blocker. this mentality draws him toward the bucket. ivan harris, the other common wing in the 2-3, is a step slow and can also get caught underneath. watch the corners if we go to a 2-3.

3. will chism and crews face up oden and take him off the dribble? teams can either go at oden or go away from him. though it appears counterintuitive, opposing players must go at him. if you get him on his heels and backpedaling toward the bucket, he will get fouls and will get tired. unfortunately for the vols, the buckeyes learned again that they can be just as volatile--if not moreso--without him. remember, the bucks hung with the tar heels (even led by 10 for a decent part of the game) until unc's depth became too much.

of course, no game is played in the past. no one knows who will be hot, who will be cold, and who will just be. the players don't know. the coaches don't know. certainly, the fans don't know. because of this, all we can go on are the stats and the previous game. sure, i just ran in a circle, but it's a circle all of us must run until 9:57 on thursday.

by the way, rocketvol, neither one post nor one poster is representative of a fan base. i'd also like to put to rest the notion that ohio state fans in general think that the game will be decided by 10 to 15 points (a statement by another poster) in our favor. most i've talked to think it will be closer to 5 to 8 points. i haven't gotten the sense that anyone is afraid; however, the general consensus is that the bucks must play very well to beat your team. i'm sure you guys feel the same way.
 
#78
#78
this is my message from buckeyeplanet that you quoted (top of this page). though i do believe that the game is a toss-up, by no means am i afraid of the match-up....
Very nice post Buckguy. Welcome to the SEC, and Big Orange Country...

I won't try to cover all the ground you did, though I enjoyed the insight.
if you had watched the buckeyes play a number of games this year, you would have noticed this eleventh hour mindset. they are a different team--a much better team--in the last few minutes.
We had a birdseye view of your team's last minute heroics abilities. I'm not sure I wouldn't be more nervous than proud though, about this proclivity...

1. will ohio state fare better this time against tennessee's pressure?
Likely yes, but if we are scoring you are going to see that pressure alot. No matter how you deal with it early. Even if you beat it, it wears on a team...

2. will tennessee shoot better than 7-of-31 from behind the arc?
Not sure what Oden being away from the basket has to do with defending Lofton and Jajuan Smith from three, but that aside, we are shooting quite well in this tournament thus far. Others shoot quality shots from three as well...Chism...Childress..Howell.

3. will chism and crews face up oden and take him off the dribble?
With us, in post offense, we are most effective when our interior passing is sharp enough to move the ball around the post until one of our post players can get a more open look. Our victory over Florida in Knoxville was a shining example of how well these kids can pass inside.

As far as Oden goes. I think everyone is resigned that he will get his. We were able to use our baseline motion to draw him out from under the basket with some effectiveness last time. I expect your coaches will have remedied that tendency this time. The only thing our wee little outmatched post players can really do is bring a physical game to Oden every minute he is in the game. Rest assured they will.

of course, no game is played in the past. no one knows who will be hot, who will be cold, and who will just be. the players don't know. the coaches don't know. certainly, the fans don't know. because of this, all we can go on are the stats and the previous game. sure, i just ran in a circle, but it's a circle all of us must run until 9:57 on thursday.

by the way, rocketvol, neither one post nor one poster is representative of a fan base. i'd also like to put to rest the notion that ohio state fans in general think that the game will be decided by 10 to 15 points (a statement by another poster) in our favor. most i've talked to think it will be closer to 5 to 8 points. i haven't gotten the sense that anyone is afraid; however, the general consensus is that the bucks must play very well to beat your team. i'm sure you guys feel the same way.

All points well made. You are welcome anytime sir.
We look forward to this one as well. Elite 8 is air we have not breathed. The chance to crest a new plateau has us giddy with anticipation. I wish you the best, but I wish you a loss....
 
#79
#79
this is my message from buckeyeplanet that you quoted (top of this page). though i do believe that the game is a toss-up, by no means am i afraid of the match-up. given that both teams are so young, each has changed a lot since that first game. i do expect that the bucks will handle the pressure much better than they did in that game. i also expect that your team's shooting won't be as poor. the winner will likely be the team that better addresses these areas.

i'm fine with a toss-up, too. ohio state has proven time after time that they are an especially adept team during crunch time. many of their games this year witnessed a run toward the end. i'm not just talking about the xavier game either. if you had watched the buckeyes play a number of games this year, you would have noticed this eleventh hour mindset. they are a different team--a much better team--in the last few minutes.

most of the posts that i read here follow the general line of "offensively, the vols need to--and can, of course--shoot well from the outside; the team needs to limit/control oden." though those expectations (granted, they're not the only expectations) are certainly appropriate, they are just a small portion of the picture. everyone should note that each team is comparable from behind the arc. the vols shoot 35%; the bucks shoot 36%. neither team is exceptional from that distance. the difference is that tennessee shoots 4 more per game (24 to 20 attempts). the difference in effective field goal percentage is about a half-a-point. the difference is negligible.

in my humble opinion, the game comes down to these questions:

1. will ohio state fare better this time against tennessee's pressure? the bucks figured out the press by bringing up oden. can tennessee adjust? other teams did this (bringing up big men) down the stretch, so i suspect that your players have learned and will still put tremendous pressure on our guards and forwards. if ohio state does bring up oden, will this wear him down? might you see othello hunter (6'9" with 7"+ span) in his place?

2. will tennessee shoot better than 7-of-31 from behind the arc? much of this hinges upon whether oden is taken away from the basket. if he can be, the perimeter becomes more open, as well as does the interior. of course, lofton can hit from anywhere and in the face of lots of pressure. he didn't against the bucks, though, going 3-of-11. expect to see butler and lighty on lofton. they are exceptional on-the-ball defenders. ohio state does have issues guarding the corners while in the 2-3. even with oden in the middle, the wings often get sucked toward the middle. hunter still has the mentality of a shot-blocker. this mentality draws him toward the bucket. ivan harris, the other common wing in the 2-3, is a step slow and can also get caught underneath. watch the corners if we go to a 2-3.

3. will chism and crews face up oden and take him off the dribble? teams can either go at oden or go away from him. though it appears counterintuitive, opposing players must go at him. if you get him on his heels and backpedaling toward the bucket, he will get fouls and will get tired. unfortunately for the vols, the buckeyes learned again that they can be just as volatile--if not moreso--without him. remember, the bucks hung with the tar heels (even led by 10 for a decent part of the game) until unc's depth became too much.

of course, no game is played in the past. no one knows who will be hot, who will be cold, and who will just be. the players don't know. the coaches don't know. certainly, the fans don't know. because of this, all we can go on are the stats and the previous game. sure, i just ran in a circle, but it's a circle all of us must run until 9:57 on thursday.

by the way, rocketvol, neither one post nor one poster is representative of a fan base. i'd also like to put to rest the notion that ohio state fans in general think that the game will be decided by 10 to 15 points (a statement by another poster) in our favor. most i've talked to think it will be closer to 5 to 8 points. i haven't gotten the sense that anyone is afraid; however, the general consensus is that the bucks must play very well to beat your team. i'm sure you guys feel the same way.

Nice post.

Welcome to the board, and are you related to jakez4ut? :)
 
#80
#80
Think we may have a chance against OSU. We only lost by 2 in the previous outing. The Buckeyes can be beaten. Vols need to minimize turn overs, get/make plenty of inside shots, hit at least 40% for 3 pointers and do well on the boards. Now doesn't that all add up to a "W?":thumbsup:

Go VOLS! Sic'em Smokey!:eek:k:
 
#82
#82
Good post Buck guy. One thing, however, more rare than an off game by Lofton is back-to-back bad performances against the same opponent. USUALLY, it's more like that line from tombstone that ends with "and hell followed with him" :) . Very astute post...welcome to the board.
 
#83
#83
At least in the cases of the UT and Xavier games, it was late game gifts of missed FTs moreso than any heroics on the part of the Buckeyes. The fact that both of those games came down to the last minute, especially the UT game on OSU's court and UT shooting like middle schoolers, tells me just how great Conley and friends are.
 
#86
#86
this is my message from buckeyeplanet that you quoted (top of this page). though i do believe that the game is a toss-up, by no means am i afraid of the match-up. given that both teams are so young, each has changed a lot since that first game. i do expect that the bucks will handle the pressure much better than they did in that game. i also expect that your team's shooting won't be as poor. the winner will likely be the team that better addresses these areas.

i'm fine with a toss-up, too. ohio state has proven time after time that they are an especially adept team during crunch time. many of their games this year witnessed a run toward the end. i'm not just talking about the xavier game either. if you had watched the buckeyes play a number of games this year, you would have noticed this eleventh hour mindset. they are a different team--a much better team--in the last few minutes.

most of the posts that i read here follow the general line of "offensively, the vols need to--and can, of course--shoot well from the outside; the team needs to limit/control oden." though those expectations (granted, they're not the only expectations) are certainly appropriate, they are just a small portion of the picture. everyone should note that each team is comparable from behind the arc. the vols shoot 35%; the bucks shoot 36%. neither team is exceptional from that distance. the difference is that tennessee shoots 4 more per game (24 to 20 attempts). the difference in effective field goal percentage is about a half-a-point. the difference is negligible.

in my humble opinion, the game comes down to these questions:

1. will ohio state fare better this time against tennessee's pressure? the bucks figured out the press by bringing up oden. can tennessee adjust? other teams did this (bringing up big men) down the stretch, so i suspect that your players have learned and will still put tremendous pressure on our guards and forwards. if ohio state does bring up oden, will this wear him down? might you see othello hunter (6'9" with 7"+ span) in his place?

2. will tennessee shoot better than 7-of-31 from behind the arc? much of this hinges upon whether oden is taken away from the basket. if he can be, the perimeter becomes more open, as well as does the interior. of course, lofton can hit from anywhere and in the face of lots of pressure. he didn't against the bucks, though, going 3-of-11. expect to see butler and lighty on lofton. they are exceptional on-the-ball defenders. ohio state does have issues guarding the corners while in the 2-3. even with oden in the middle, the wings often get sucked toward the middle. hunter still has the mentality of a shot-blocker. this mentality draws him toward the bucket. ivan harris, the other common wing in the 2-3, is a step slow and can also get caught underneath. watch the corners if we go to a 2-3.

3. will chism and crews face up oden and take him off the dribble? teams can either go at oden or go away from him. though it appears counterintuitive, opposing players must go at him. if you get him on his heels and backpedaling toward the bucket, he will get fouls and will get tired. unfortunately for the vols, the buckeyes learned again that they can be just as volatile--if not moreso--without him. remember, the bucks hung with the tar heels (even led by 10 for a decent part of the game) until unc's depth became too much.

of course, no game is played in the past. no one knows who will be hot, who will be cold, and who will just be. the players don't know. the coaches don't know. certainly, the fans don't know. because of this, all we can go on are the stats and the previous game. sure, i just ran in a circle, but it's a circle all of us must run until 9:57 on thursday.

by the way, rocketvol, neither one post nor one poster is representative of a fan base. i'd also like to put to rest the notion that ohio state fans in general think that the game will be decided by 10 to 15 points (a statement by another poster) in our favor. most i've talked to think it will be closer to 5 to 8 points. i haven't gotten the sense that anyone is afraid; however, the general consensus is that the bucks must play very well to beat your team. i'm sure you guys feel the same way.

Good post and welcome to the board. You and the previous buckeye poster have represented OSU well.
 
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