Tee Martin

[Remy]

Last time I lived in LA and the census numbers came out, it's been over ten years ago for sure, LA County alone had about the same population as the entire state of Tennessee, both >4 million mark. Pretty easy to recruit for SC when the most populous state in the nation is where you reside. The perks of living in LA for an SC staffer are higher maintenance than what can be had in KnoxVegas for a UT staffer especially if your spouse has tv and/or film aspirations. People need not crawl all up on Tee IMO for being at SC.

 

[4chrissy]

Well....Pot, meet Kettle....

IF you would have read my entire post--you would see that I was calling B.S. on Hurd because of Travis' OWN COMMENTS he made at length in argument for HURD being much better than HENRY for the NFL as a RB...

The conversation also included his comments about HURD being better than KAMARA, too!

So--Now Travis changes his tune after HURD has his body beaten to hell as he has shared the BULK of carries behind a poor OL in the SEC....and HURD has been doing it for CBJ and the BIG ORANGE for over 2.5 years....

And so now, today, TRAVIS decides to bring up some alleged convo he had with Tee about Hurd being a Pu&&y.....

I am still crying B.S......because TRAVIS chose to say nothing about this when HE was defending HURD and explaining to all of us poor know-nothin' HS players exactly WHY HURD has more potential and why he thinks HURD will be very good in the NFL last year when the OL had hardly any injuries and HURD was in FULL BEAST MODE....

And now, according to Travis and TEE--HURD IS A pu*&y....

NO sir, I stand by my statements....I certainly wish that I would've read further down the thread before reacting and posting--but it would not have changed my response....and I don't care about my credibility on Volnation.....

Credibility on here is like winning the lottery anyway....

GO VOLS!

I can't speak for 34 but my opinion of Hurd changed drastically from last year, my opinion of his on the field skills and his attitude. No shame in changing your mind about someone if it's warranted after all it's only your OPINION .

 

[DooleyOrangePants]

I think it's possible to put the blame squarely on Butch & Pals for creating this mess, Butch specifically for making promises he didn't intend to keep. Same with Debord for having the dumbest and most easy to scheme playbook out there.

But I also don't think very highly of a quitter and Hurd's attitude has been apparent all season long. Wish the guy well, but you don't quit on a team when things aren't going your way. Overcome adversity and move on after the season.

 

[livefaith]

Just come on, Bud----I live in Cleveland, TN--if you want to find me I certainly won't hide....opcorn:

hmy:

 

[jbr82]

Baller:

Shame on Butch Debored for NOT giving him the rock more last wkend....shameful smh

 

[MemphisVol77]

I think it's possible to put the blame squarely on Butch & Pals for creating this mess, Butch specifically for making promises he didn't intend to keep. Same with Debord for having the dumbest and most easy to scheme playbook out there.

But I also don't think very highly of a quitter and Hurd's attitude has been apparent all season long. Wish the guy well, but you don't quit on a team when things aren't going your way. Overcome adversity and move on after the season.

Do you really believe Butch promised J. Hurd that he was gonna change the offense to suit his needs? Or lied about that in an attempt to trick him?

That is beyond preposterous.

J. Hurd didn't notice in spring practice, summer practice, or earlier in the season "oh darn!, they're not doing what they said they'd do"!! 8 games into the year a man has gotta draw a line in the sand you see.

Maybe Hurd listened to bad advice from his family.

Maybe when the coaching staff discussed practicing or running the I formation, J. Hurd interpreted that as "I'm the star they're gonna feature me". That sounds plausible to me. I've lost track of the amount of employees I've questioned about their abilty to handle managerial responsibility. The ones that got big heads and told co-workers that they we're being promoted failed my test. People hear what they want to hear.

I'm not trying to claim Butch is Einstein. But even in lesser conferences, nobody dumb enough to promise a player they were gonna change the entire offense to the players preference ever becomes a head coach.

Even if Butch were the exception to the stupidity rule, which you seem inclined to believe, Butch would cater to Dobbs on more designed QB runs and less pocket passes. The law of stupidity would still leave J.Hurd without his I-Formation.

Alex Johnson, C. Maggit, JRM, Cam Sutton, A Kamara, all trusted and respected Butch enough to come back. Could that possibly be indicative of his character as a whole and an attribute as a coach?

Now suddenly J. Hurd has exposed Butch as a diabolical liar with a self serving agenda. J. Hurd is the first victim. Ignore Alvin Kamara's stretches of limited touches early in the year BTW.

Yes, yes, yes. The coaches are clearly at fault of driving Hurd out of the program before he could become the all time UT rushing leader in the wrong formation. I wonder what kind of tall tales Butch told Kamara to trick him into staying. I bet he promised Kamara 4 touches to every one touch Hurd receives this year. Any lie to keep his players from the brutal truth that they will be used in a complimentary manner with the rest of the team.

The possibility that Hurd is under performing and has maturity issues is absurd. Clearly this is our coaches fault. I bet Butch instructed the entire team not to celebrate with him and let him sit by himself on the bench after scoring agsinst USCe last Saturday. That is clearly the coaches fault the team didn't want to celebrate with Hurd. I bet it didn't have anything to do with Hurd's maturity level.

Do you really believe that the coaching staff lied to a player about changing the entire offense to suit that one players particularly skill set, yet kept it private from the public?

There are so many layers of contradictory stupidity involved in the notion that Butch and staff intentionally lied to Hurd about changing the offense to suit him that it becomes absurd to contemplate it having any real validity.

Maybe a seemingly for sure mid-round draft pick's stock has been falling due to a multitude of variables? Maybe that player made a selfish decision to project all fault outwardly?

Nah, it's Butch's fault. Butch lied to Hurd.

Edit:
DooleyOrangePants
That was not a personal attack on you btw. I've seen that alleged change to an I-Form ruse suggested tons of times today.
Meant they rhetoricalrhetorically for everyonev that does believe it.
You post was just the one I got a chance to respond to first.

 

[de1conley]

I understand he won us a NC but after he showed up to an interview at UT wearing USC clothes why on God's green earth would you welcome him with open arms. It may be just me but obviously UT doesn't mean much to him.

You make this idiot post but i hv 1 common sense response. Where did he work @ the time he cm here wearing what you are offended by? Aw ok some of you UT fans need to grow up and wake up. Tee loves UT and things didn't add up for him to take the job. #1 per conversation he was not coming here to be forced to run 1 or any particular system.

 

[MikeVol44]

Do you really believe Butch promised J. Hurd that he was gonna change the offense to suit his needs? Or lied about that in an attempt to trick him?

That is beyond preposterous.

It happens more than you think in college football.....

I know that this goes back a long time--but Barry Switzer did it twice at Oklahoma....

once for Troy Aikman--he left the wishbone until Aikman got hurt....

and again for Marus Dupree--left the wishbone for the I formation....

Is that example too long ago for you? Okay....I'll use our own program to prove to you that CBJ has already adjusted his system and changed the offensive philosophy for one individual player...and who is that player you might ask???

Joshua Dobbs!!!

We completely changed the offensive scheme and play calling when Dobbs took over for Worley......Shocking isn't it?? How does it actually feel to be exposed??

I don't know if you realize it---but go back and watch the film of the offensive system we ran when Worley was QB under CBJ--and then watch how much they adapted and changed the emphasis of the offense when Worley was injured and Dobbs had to take over......

Preposterous???? You shouldn't use big words that you don't understand...





'Nuff said.....

 

[MemphisVol77]

Do you really believe Butch promised J. Hurd that he was gonna change the offense to suit his needs? Or lied about that in an attempt to trick him?

That is beyond preposterous.

It happens more than you think in college football.....

I know that this goes back a long time--but Barry Switzer did it twice at Oklahoma....

once for Troy Aikman--he left the wishbone until Aikman got hurt....

and again for Marus Dupree--left the wishbone for the I formation....

Is that example too long ago for you? Okay....I'll use our own program to prove to you that CBJ has already adjusted his system and changed the offensive philosophy for one individual player...and who is that player you might ask???

Joshua Dobbs!!!

We completely changed the offensive scheme and play calling when Dobbs took over for Worley......Shocking isn't it?? How does it actually feel to be exposed??

I don't know if you realize it---but go back and watch the film of the offensive system we ran when Worley was QB under CBJ--and then watch how much they adapted and changed the emphasis of the offense when Worley was injured and Dobbs had to take over......

Preposterous???? You shouldn't use big words that you don't understand...





'Nuff said.....

Let me articulate a little more clearly before we get too presumptuous with our reading comprehension for the second time today.

I didn't suggest that it never happens. I suggested when it does happen it happens openly and publicly.

Please cite me an example of a team changing an offense to suit the individual needs of one player during an off-season but doing it privately so as only that one player knew about it. Not the other 10 guys on the field, the rest of the team, etc...

I guess I should have thrown " to placate a player". ..before that preposterous word you so proudly displayed your mastery of. Even though the sentiment was adequately conveyed throughput the reading.

It's ok. I don't mind your insulting approach. I realize your limitations and lack of understanding.

I'm sorry life is more complicated than a waffle house menu sometimes.

 

[MikeVol44]

Let me articulate a little more clearly before we get too presumptuous with our reading comprehension for the second time today.

The only one attempting to be insulting is you, Bud....And the more you write, the worse it gets....YOU are the one who introduced the word "preposterous"....I've never used that word before on this site in over 2,000 posts......

Well--Forest Gump's momma said that stupid is as stupid does....

And now when you are proven to be dead wrong in your statements -----that it was preposterous to assume a HC/OC would adjust and adapt his offensive system to suit the needs of one player....------you want to go back and change the parameters of your argument.....and explain away exactly how and why you were proven wrong....typical.....but sad and pathetic...

And I've already proven that "preposterous" presupposition of yours to be absolutely and completely wrong--and didn't even have to leave the UT program to do so....

CBJ and his first OC at UT completely adjusted and adapted the offensive system to accommodate the abilities and talents of Joshua Dobbs when he took over for Worley....and that wasn't even hard to see....

And--they appeared to run the off-set I formation with Dobbs under center as a package to adapt and adjust to Hurd's RB talents against Northwestern in the Bowl game----after the end of the season and before the New Year's day bowl....

A formation and offensive set of plays that they did not use before--and haven't used since....


And as I said before---You have been proven wrong.....

'nuff said.....

 

[MemphisVol77]

Let me articulate a little more clearly before we get too presumptuous with our reading comprehension for the second time today.


Well--Forest Gump's momma said that stupid is as stupid does....

And now when you are proven to be dead wrong in your statements -----that it was preposterous to assume a HC/OC would adjust and adapt his offensive system to suit the needs of one player....------you want to go back and change the parameters of your argument.....and explain away exactly how and why you were proven wrong....typical.....but sad and pathetic...

And I've already proven that "preposterous" presupposition of yours to be absolutely and completely wrong--and didn't even have to leave the UT program to do so....

CBJ and his first OC at UT completely adjusted and adapted the offensive system to accommodate the abilities and talents of Joshua Dobbs when he took over for Worley....and that wasn't even hard to see....

And--they appeared to run the off-set I formation with Dobbs under center as a package to adapt and adjust to Hurd's RB talents against Northwestern in the Bowl game----after the end of the season and before the New Year's day bowl....

A formation and offensive set of plays that they did not use before--and haven't used since....


And as I said before---You have been proven wrong.....

'nuff said.....

And I loved it in the bowl game. It was awesome.

And I loved it last spring when Debord said they might experiment with running it some more this impending season.

And I loved it in August when I read once or twice that they practiced a few sets in the I formation.

I was hoping they would utilize it sometimes.

I never saw where they committed to making a major change to their offense to accommodate/help Hurd. Nothing remotely similar to 2015 when I saw and read tons of tweaks they were making to help Dobbs.

Yes, I do not believe they lied to Hurd after last season. I believe if he really threatened to leave after 2015 then they would have handled it the same way as they did yesterday.

Feel free to keep picking at me. If I break a rule by tweaking, expanding, or expounding on a parameter I guess it means that Hurd was lied to.

I just don't see the smallest bit of reason to believe that he was lied to by our coaching staff.

 

[ERvolsfan]

I wouldn't mind the idea of... I know it won't happen but would love it.

Tee Martin - OC/WR
Randy Sanders - QB.
Gillespie. - RB
Neil Calloway - OL comfortable with TM and plenty of SEC experience.
Larry Scott - TE

 

[ochocinco]

My crystal ball says Tee Martin gets offered UT hc job next winter by our new AD. Brings a lot to table. I'd rather see Lyle succeed but...Tee could renew interest like Johnny Majors did. We need a hero at this point

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Tee has earned back some of the goodwill with TN fans that he lost with his Hurd comments. Hopefully he's learned how to be more selective with his comments going forward. If he can't he'll not likely make it anywhere as a major college head coach.

 

[MikeVol44]

Feel free to keep picking at me. If I break a rule by tweaking, expanding, or expounding on a parameter I guess it means that Hurd was lied to.



Wow---dude----Now YOU are the defenseless VICTIM in this thread. lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:


It's okay----We don't have to agree, and you are certainly entitled to disagree with my belief that CBJ lied thru his teeth to Hurd......

It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me a victim if you disagree with me.....

All I ever responded to concerning your posts is that our HC/OC definitely have adapted and adjusted their offensive scheme to suit the abilities and talents of ONE PLAYER--Joshua Dobbs--as a rebuttal to your prior statements.....

I'm not offended, nor am I upset at you at all....but your responses are truly comical...and I just can't help laughing at them.....

You've gone from being outraged and certain of your position to defensive and now you have turned around completely into posturing as the victim of mean 'ol Mike....

None of that is personally offensive to me--

 

[MemphisVol77]

Feel free to keep picking at me. If I break a rule by tweaking, expanding, or expounding on a parameter I guess it means that Hurd was lied to.



Wow---dude----Now YOU are the defenseless VICTIM in this thread. lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:


It's okay----We don't have to agree, and you are certainly entitled to disagree with my belief that CBJ lied thru his teeth to Hurd......

It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me a victim if you disagree with me.....

All I ever responded to concerning your posts is that our HC/OC definitely have adapted and adjusted their offensive scheme to suit the abilities and talents of ONE PLAYER--Joshua Dobbs--as a rebuttal to your prior statements.....

I'm not offended, nor am I upset at you at all....but your responses are truly comical...and I just can't help laughing at them.....

You've gone from being outraged and certain of your position to defensive and now you have turned around completely into posturing as the victim of mean 'ol Mike....

None of that is personally offensive to me--

Um dude,

I'm not outraged, defenseless, or a victim.

If you want to laugh, go ahead and laugh.

I think you truley struggle with word context and meaning if you truly believe everything you've typed.

Like missing where when you most recently quoted me
"keep picking. .means Hurd was lied to."

and the very next thing I wrote was
"I don't believe Butch lied to Hurd".

You then insinuate I'm victimizing myself?

9 out 10 people comprehend that as the writer being steadfast in his views and not overly concerned how it's interpreted. Not as victimization.

Our exchanges are now full of similar examples as that one.

It's whatever bro.

I think it sucks we lost Hurd and us two arguing the why we lost him has lost any constructive end.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

My crystal ball says Tee Martin gets offered UT hc job next winter by our new AD. Brings a lot to table. I'd rather see Lyle succeed but...Tee could renew interest like Johnny Majors did. We need a hero at this point

Tee as a HC? Not only no, but hell no. I dont want a guy whi has never been a HC before and his first job be Tennessee. We have had that before.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Tee as a HC? Not only no, but hell no. I dont want a guy whi has never been a HC before and his first job be Tennessee. We have had that before.

Bill Battle reference? Kiffin was an NFL coach so TN wasn't his first HC job.

 

[MiramarVol]

1. There was a reason why Jalen wasn't a team CAPTAIN.
2. There is a reason why the players aren't up in arms and issed at CBJ because Hurd is now gone.
3. This is a TEAM sport. You win and lose as a TEAM.
4. Should Weisman complain or quit about having to be moved around on the OL?
5. Tee's comments are his personal observation that's shared by many. Even many on the team now. It referred to Jalen's demeanor not his running style. He feels Jalen has an entitled mentality. There's no place for that on a team.
6. CBJ hasn't lost the team, and this is bringing the team a lot closer. You have to have the #WEALLWEGOT mindset. We'll be fine going forward.
7. THE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOW GONE. SO THE TEAM CAN PLAY ON.

 

[JMSqb11]

Tee as a HC? Not only no, but hell no. I dont want a guy whi has never been a HC before and his first job be Tennessee. We have had that before.

Lane left for his dream job. You're basing your comment around the last recent coordinator we hired as head coach. No one had a problem that Lane left. It's how he left that chapped everyone's ass. Also, he would have had us playing big boy ball by now.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Lane left for his dream job. You're basing your comment around the last recent coordinator we hired as head coach. No one had a problem that Lane left. It's how he left that chapped everyone's ass. Also, he would have had us playing big boy ball by now.

Yeah because he did such a great job at USC that they threw him off the team bus and fired him at 2:00 in the morning.

 

[Zues1]

Tee needs to stay where he is and out of the UT conversation.

He was the quarterback on a team than won us a natty, thank you Tee and everyone on that squad
He now seems disinterested in our program, let's move on

 

[volfan102455]

My crystal ball says Tee Martin gets offered UT hc job next winter by our new AD. Brings a lot to table. I'd rather see Lyle succeed but...Tee could renew interest like Johnny Majors did. We need a hero at this point

Just no.

 

[Dreamsicle]

Let me articulate a little more clearly before we get too presumptuous with our reading comprehension for the second time today.

The only one attempting to be insulting is you, Bud....And the more you write, the worse it gets....YOU are the one who introduced the word "preposterous"....I've never used that word before on this site in over 2,000 posts......

Well--Forest Gump's momma said that stupid is as stupid does....

And now when you are proven to be dead wrong in your statements -----that it was preposterous to assume a HC/OC would adjust and adapt his offensive system to suit the needs of one player....------you want to go back and change the parameters of your argument.....and explain away exactly how and why you were proven wrong....typical.....but sad and pathetic...

And I've already proven that "preposterous" presupposition of yours to be absolutely and completely wrong--and didn't even have to leave the UT program to do so....

CBJ and his first OC at UT completely adjusted and adapted the offensive system to accommodate the abilities and talents of Joshua Dobbs when he took over for Worley....and that wasn't even hard to see....

And--they appeared to run the off-set I formation with Dobbs under center as a package to adapt and adjust to Hurd's RB talents against Northwestern in the Bowl game----after the end of the season and before the New Year's day bowl....

A formation and offensive set of plays that they did not use before--and haven't used since....


And as I said before---You have been proven wrong.....

'nuff said.....

You may be getting changed and tweaked confused. We run basically the same set with Worley as Dobbs, but Dobbs presents way more of a running threat than Worley ever did. May be why we call more runs with a read option. (Of course this year it's not being read).

 

[Dreamsicle]

Bring back a randy spears

Don't think you meant Randy Spears. Maybe Randy Sanders? Two totally different dudes doing two totally different things.