Tee Martin question

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Aquaforest said:
Tee will need help with that and that is Fulmer's expertise.

If Fulmer pulls the trigger and feels like Tee's ready. I'm all in but we'll need to be patient and give them our full support.
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Do not want a coach in training. Sorry, I feel TN has been there and done that. We need a coach who knows how to WIN. They better know how to win because they will be facing Saban, Mullen, Jimbo Fisher, Smart and probably Lane Kiffin. Enough said.
 
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gramey123 said:
Do not want a coach in training. Sorry, I feel TN has been there and done that. We need a coach who knows how to WIN. They better know how to win because they will be facing Saban, Mullen, Jimbo Fisher, Smart and probably Lane Kiffin. Enough said.
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Appreciate your opinion but I don't think UT has done that before
 
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I definitely get that people want a coach with experience, however there have been just as many coaches that fail with experience as there have been assistants that have made the jump. He probably would need more time than some other coaches, but his ceiling could also be higher and loyalty is a trait I don’t think enough people give credit for. If we don’t give him a chance, another program definitely will.
 
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EweTVol said:
I am in no way trying to sway opinion on him as a hc or oc at UT. My dad died this year and i have been so disgusted by UT that I turned all football off the day we burried my dad, which was the sc game. Im sure i could google for stats and what not for the smart a$$ remarkers, yet I think someone that has watched could describe better. What does Tee's offense look like? Is he a power guy, a shifty speed guy, or a trickster. I doubt the last one, but you never know. What's the feel for him?

I would accept him with open arms at any capacity.
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I am sorry about your dad... Wish I had seen the post earlier....
This is what I know from watching him a little bit... I could study him for a game and tell you more thoroughly... I wouldn't mind considering the year you had with your dad passing...

Tee as OC
First, it is important to remember his offense will be tweaked because of the nature of the SEC...

There is a West coast theme in his Route concepts... Basically means that there are a lot of precise route running (needs a good WR coach). West coast also means a lot of timing routes which takes reps... Again I don't mean to insult your intellegence but I want to assume you don't know anything so I don't miss anything... Timing routes means you have this amount of steps to get in this place... So WR's need to learn how to get off the line quickly (jamming WR's creates problems) ... Also it means that the QB needs to have steady feet because he also has a mesh point to get to depending on the depth of the WR's routes...

As far as the running game I believe he runs a lot of zone scheme which means you dont have a "man" you have an "area" so the RB has two reads to make till he makes his cut whether it's a inside zone or outside zone...

So to sun up what I know so far
West coast route patterns so short dink and dunk type stuff ... Which also doesn't exclude deep patterns a lot depends on your personnel...

Zone run scheme but I honestly see that changing with what you have on the line with smith and if you can get him mays... So more counter gap scheme which means you have O-Line guys running infront of your man with the ball....

Like I said I can give you better info if I study them but that's the shortish answer...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
I am sorry about your dad... Wish I had seen the post earlier....
This is what I know from watching him a little bit... I could study him for a game and tell you more thoroughly... I wouldn't mind considering the year you had with your dad passing...

Tee as OC
First, it is important to remember his offense will be tweaked because of the nature of the SEC...

There is a West coast theme in his Route concepts... Basically means that there are a lot of precise route running (needs a good WR coach). West coast also means a lot of timing routes which takes reps... Again I don't mean to insult your intellegence but I want to assume you don't know anything so I don't miss anything... Timing routes means you have this amount of steps to get in this place... So WR's need to learn how to get off the line quickly (jamming WR's creates problems) ... Also it means that the QB needs to have steady feet because he also has a mesh point to get to depending on the depth of the WR's routes...

As far as the running game I believe he runs a lot of zone scheme which means you dont have a "man" you have an "area" so the RB has two reads to make till he makes his cut whether it's a inside zone or outside zone...

So to sun up what I know so far
West coast route patterns so short dink and dunk type stuff ... Which also doesn't exclude deep patterns a lot depends on your personnel...

Zone run scheme but I honestly see that changing with what you have on the line with smith and if you can get him mays... So more counter gap scheme which means you have O-Line guys running infront of your man with the ball....

Like I said I can give you better info if I study them but that's the shortish answer...
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Zone blocking has been the thing for a ehule... I just feel it is weak.... especially after butch
 
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EweTVol said:
Zone blocking has been the thing for a ehule... I just feel it is weak.... especially after butch
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It wasn't the zone blocking scheme that was the problem under Butch. It was staying with the spread option without a dynamic QB to run it. We have 3 talented QB's, but they are not option QB's
 
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Do yourself a favor and google Clay Helton and USC for articles about the offensive play this year. Very obvious that Martin needs more experience.
 
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You guys are advocating that someone who scored an 11 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test be our next head coach or offensive coordinator?? I don't get it. Can anyone coach well? Even if they have a 75 IQ? A coach by definition, is supposed to be one of the smartest guys on the football sideline or at least I thought they were. You guys don't seem to care. and this post has nothing to do with race - I'd love to have Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin, or Lovie Smith for sure. No one who scores an 11 on the Wonderlic after 4 years of college even needed to be admitted to the college to begin with! but of course, that's another issue altogether.
 
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gramey123 said:
Do not want a coach in training. Sorry, I feel TN has been there and done that. We need a coach who knows how to WIN. They better know how to win because they will be facing Saban, Mullen, Jimbo Fisher, Smart and probably Lane Kiffin. Enough said.
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Me either, no coach in training, no HC experience, coordinatior type.
Where was Kirby Smart HC before he went to Georgia? I can’t remember
 
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0059862 said:
You guys are advocating that someone who scored an 11 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test be our next head coach?? I don't get it. Can anyone coach well? Even if they have a 75 IQ? A coach by definition, is supposed to be one of the smartest guys on the football sideline or at least I thought they were. You guys don't seem to care. and this post has nothing to do with race - I'd love to have Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin, or Lovie Smith for sure. No one who scores an 11 on the Wonderlic after 4 years of college even needed to be admitted to the college to begin with! but of course, that's another issue altogether.
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You do realize Tee has been considered as one of the top assistant coaches in college football for several years? He’s actually a semifinalist (top 15) for the Broyles award this year, given to the nation’s top assistant coach. But you can keep referring to the Wonderlic test if you want
 
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Power T-Rev said:
You do realize Tee has been considered as one of the top assistant coaches in college football for several years? He’s actually a semifinalist (top 15) for the Broyles award this year, given to the nation’s top assistant coach. But you can keep referring to the Wonderlic test if you want
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In large part, he was up for that award for his recruiting prowess. Butch Jones is a great recruiter too, but a horrible coach. UT is at a major crossroads, and you guys are so quick to try another experiment simply because Tee Martin played here. One more experiment, and we may never recover and be irrelevant indefinitely.
 
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Tee is a good recruiter and position coach. Not ready to be a HC. Not sure he ever will. Good QB surrounded by a bunch of NFL talent.
 
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Tee is not a HC. He is not the play caller at USC. Read the LA times. He is whining about not being able to call plays. They are trying to recommend him for the job because they want him gone. He is a distraction.
 
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EweTVol said:
Zone blocking has been the thing for a ehule... I just feel it is weak.... especially after butch
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It's not weak... It's actually one of the most physical ways if running... See Atlanta Falcons last year... And the Broncos in the 90's... The zone concept came about to stop 3-4 defenses (the whole point of the three down linemen is to stay put and let the LB's get in the backfield) but whenever you stretch te defense that creates gaps and also creates an advantage for the OL because your either getting a Lb on a big OL or your getting a two gap technique DL running in space...

The NFL literally had to make rules because of how nasty the Zone concept can get...
 
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0059862 said:
In large part, he was up for that award for his recruiting prowess. Butch Jones is a great recruiter too, but a horrible coach. UT is at a major crossroads, and you guys are so quick to try another experiment simply because Tee Martin played here. One more experiment, and we may never recover and be irrelevant indefinitely.
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Which historically great university was Butch the offensive coordinator for?
 
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Caleb59seal said:
It's not weak... It's actually one of the most physical ways if running... See Atlanta Falcons last year... And the Broncos in the 90's... The zone concept came about to stop 3-4 defenses (the whole point of the three down linemen is to stay put and let the LB's get in the backfield) but whenever you stretch te defense that creates gaps and also creates an advantage for the OL because your either getting a Lb on a big OL or your getting a two gap technique DL running in space...

The NFL literally had to make rules because of how nasty the Zone concept can get...
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Butch's system was weak for a couple of reasons. Our tackles aren't good at forcing defenders outside. Also Butch uses more neutral blocking scheme while he's recruited players better suited to be aggressive road graders.
 
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Also, two USC games I watched a bit of they had some exceptional speed from a couple of players. Causes real defensive problems getting off blocks quickly enough or 1 on 1 matchups.
 
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EweTVol said:
I am in no way trying to sway opinion on him as a hc or oc at UT. My dad died this year and i have been so disgusted by UT that I turned all football off the day we burried my dad, which was the sc game. Im sure i could google for stats and what not for the smart a$$ remarkers, yet I think someone that has watched could describe better. What does Tee's offense look like? Is he a power guy, a shifty speed guy, or a trickster. I doubt the last one, but you never know. What's the feel for him?

I would accept him with open arms at any capacity.
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Condolences, regarding the loss of your dad.

Watching some USC games, the thing that sticks out about Tee's offense is balance. Also, I counted 17 different plays run from the same personnel grouping.

Defensive coordinator can't draw a bead on what is coming, based off personnel or formation. Pass to run ratio on first down is very even... and lots of play-action. Linebackers are threatened on every snap.
 
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lonelawyer said:
Butch's system was weak for a couple of reasons. Our tackles aren't good at forcing defenders outside. Also Butch uses more neutral blocking scheme while he's recruited players better suited to be aggressive road graders.
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Yea the blocking scheme wasn't the best.... Well I shouldn't say scheme i should say technique... It started as a way to get the head out of the way of the block technique.. It is centered around centripetal force... Jim McNally is the brain child of it...
 
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Souther Cal had the 15th rated offense by yards this season

FAU 14th Lane Kiffin Kendall Briles OC

Memphis 4th Mike Norvell Darrell Dickey OC (not our former QB Daryl Dickey)
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm sure UGA fans are glad their administration is not dumb enough to think like this.
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Smart was a seasoned coordinator with 9 years experience as a coordinator under Saban. If folks can't understand the difference between someone who is in second year as OC - I don't know what to tell you.
 
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VolFan..But said:
Tee is not a HC. He is not the play caller at USC. Read the LA times. He is whining about not being able to call plays. They are trying to recommend him for the job because they want him gone. He is a distraction.
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That is the same impression I got as well.
 
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