Tebow vs Peyton Manning

#101
#101
VolsSportsFan said:
Yes we did, the Pats didn't make the playoffs.

I see your point though, and I agree Manning is more important to the Colts. Plus I think it needs to be pointed out that Manning was paired with Dungy. He's a nice guy and yeah did finally win one, but he has to be one of the worst playoff coaches ever. How many times did the Colts just look unprepared in playoff games?
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how many times did manning look unprepared in the UF games.
 
#103
#103
peyton will probably go down as the best pro qb ever if he would have beat florida at least twice he would be considered the best college qb ever
tebow as of now is the best college qb and probably one of the best college players ever he does whatever it takes to win and will leave the university of florida with three national titles and 2 heismans
 
#105
#105
I must give credit where credit is due. As much as I despise the Gators, I must tip my hat to Trimmin' Timmy. Like him or not, the guy has talent and has accomplished more at the NCAA level than any QB. Chances are he will have 3 rings at season's end and I will loath UF all the more. So here's to you Timmy :hi:
 
#106
#106
The year Tebow had his biggest numbers just happens to coincide with the year his defense wasn't any good and his team lost a bunch of games. And I have a hard time giving him credit for 2 NCs. Yeah he helped win the first one, but Chris Leak gets the championship credit.
 
#107
#107
gavol2572 said:
I must give credit where credit is due. As much as I despise the Gators, I must tip my hat to Trimmin' Timmy. Like him or not, the guy has talent and has accomplished more at the NCAA level than any QB. Chances are he will have 3 rings at season's end and I will loath UF all the more. So here's to you Timmy :hi:
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There are plenty of college QBs that have one NC and one Heisman.
 
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#108
MDBJJC said:
I just remember that Peyton never beat the gators and we get waxed by Nebraska. Except for 1998, we would win the SEC East because we had to wait and watch to see if UF would lose two SEC games after they beat us (that wasn't all during Peyton's tenure, but it was a theme in the 1990s an to some degree this decade).

Peyton choked in the big games in college, and Tebow has had much more success in college if you were to compare their resumes.

Peyton when looking back will be remembered for a looooong time. He got the choke monkey off his back and won a Superbowl and he will be on of the best QBs ever in the NFL. Not true for Teabags
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In 1995 Peyton won at Alabama ending the decade long streak of victories. He also lost one game and beat what was the most talented team in the country in the bowl game. Choke? Tebow has never been undefeated either and was beaten by a much lesser team than Manning was on the road and in the rain.
 
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kptvol said:
There are plenty of college QBs that have one NC and one Heisman.
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Very true. But you have to admit its pretty impressive to win the Heisman as a sophmore (and is in the running for another), have TWO yes TWO national title rings (I know Leak was the starter but Tebow played a huge role on that team as well and has the ring to prove it), not to mention the possibility to have a third ring if things go well for the gators. Peyton won many awards and accolades in college and Tebow has done the same. We also must be real and look at which QB has come through the most in clutch situations. Don't misunderstand me, I am a huge Peyton Manning fan but if I had to choose a college QB I would choose Tebow.
 
#112
#112
gavol2572 said:
Tebow played a huge role on that team as well and has the ring to prove it),
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I would say about 24 or more guys played a bigger role. The guy had like 40 carries. That's pretty good for a true freshman, and a few of them were pretty important, but if you take Timmy away the Gators still have a chance to win it all. Take Leak away and they have zero chance. I can't at this point to really say he's accomplished more as a QB than Leinart and Young and that's just in the last decade.
 
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#113
#113
I just don't understand the comment: "Peyton never beat Florida". I have heard it over and over for many years. It was 2 teams playing and not Peyton versus Florida. Florida had us in talent and coaching back then. But, everyone blames it on one player now and back then. Same goes for Peyton's playoff game record in the NFL.
 
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#115
SKoreaVol said:
Double Extra Point: The Great Debate: Tim Tebow vs. Tommie Frazier

The consensus from this guy is that record as a starter is pretty much the best barometer you can use. Peyton was 39-6 as a starter. Tebow is 22-5 currently.
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Just like Peyton didn't play defense when he lost to Florida 3 times, Tebow didn't play defense when the Florida lost 4 games his sophomore season (Despite the Heisman Trophy season performance) because of UF's weak defense. The argument of record as a starter is very weak.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
Just like Peyton didn't play defense when he lost to Florida 3 times, Tebow didn't play defense when the Florida lost 4 games his sophomore season (Despite the Heisman Trophy season performance) because of UF's weak defense. The argument of record as a starter is very weak.[/quote]

Possibly the weakest argument in all of team sports. And I mean across the board, not just in this debate. Wins and championships are great for singles tennis, golf, bowling etc but mean precious little in team sports.

Take the best anybody, ever, at any given position (your choice) and put them on a lousy team and all you've got is a great player with a losing record.

For instance, as much as I love T Martin the idea that "he beat Florida" is so far beyond reality it's painful. The whole freaking offense managed only 235 yards against FL in '98, (including an OT mind you) with 57 of that coming on Bryson's run. So minus that run TN had a whopping 178yds of total offense. FL QB's Jesse Palmer and Dough Johnson EACH had more passing yards than that. Anybody remember how many passing yards we had vs FL in 98? Try 64. But noooo, "Tee Martin beat Florida".

How about a defense, led my Al Wilson with 9 solo tackles, 3 assists, a pass break up and 3...yes 3 forced fumbles? (out of 6 FL turnovers on the night) Nah, it was Tee.

Team records are about team accomplishments. Yes a great player, especially at QB or RB can make a big difference, but to simply give them credit for winning anything, in a seeming vacuum that doesn't include the rest of the players, is just silly.
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#118
#118
Vercingetorix said:
I assume we're talking recent vintage. If I'm trying to win one college game, I'd take Michael Vick or Vince Young over either of them. That extra dimension means everything in college, and clearly you don't have to be a genius reading defenses to be successful at that level.

I only want Tebow if I get Urban Meyer and his offense with him.

IMO Manning wasn't even the best QB in Tennessee history. I'd take Tony Robinson over him as a college QB anytime.
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Based on what criteria? Tony played one-half of one year before being hurt. He couldn't win the job against Alan Cockrell. C'mon now...be reasonable.
 
#119
#119
hndog609 said:
Possibly the weakest argument in all of team sports. And I mean across the board, not just in this debate. Wins and championships are great for singles tennis, golf, bowling etc but mean precious little in team sports.

Take the best anybody, ever, at any given position (your choice) and put them on a lousy team and all you've got is a great player with a losing record.

For instance, as much as I love T Martin the idea that "he beat Florida" is so far beyond reality it's painful. The whole freaking offense managed only 235 yards against FL in '98, (including an OT mind you) with 57 of that coming on Bryson's run. So minus that run TN had a whopping 178yds of total offense. FL QB's Jesse Palmer and Dough Johnson EACH had more passing yards than that. Anybody remember how many passing yards we had vs FL in 98? Try 64. But noooo, "Tee Martin beat Florida".

How about a defense, led my Al Wilson with 9 solo tackles, 3 assists, a pass break up and 3...yes 3 forced fumbles? (out of 6 FL turnovers on the night) Nah, it was Tee.

Team records are about team accomplishments. Yes a great player, especially at QB or RB can make a big difference, but to simply give them credit for winning anything, in a seeming vacuum that doesn't include the rest of the players, is just silly.
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this should be a sticky, for those select times that "PM never beat the Gators" surfaces.
 
#121
#121
SKoreaVol said:
Double Extra Point: The Great Debate: Tim Tebow vs. Tommie Frazier

The consensus from this guy is that record as a starter is pretty much the best barometer you can use. Peyton was 39-6 as a starter. Tebow is 22-5 currently.
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Since it's the worst possible argument that can be made, I now know who the biggest idiot to have a blog post is.

Using W-L record as the be-all-end-all in football is roughly as dumb as using it in baseball. Of course, consider that in baseball it's possible to lose a game in which your pitcher throws a no-hitter.
 
#122
#122
kptvol said:
The year Tebow had his biggest numbers just happens to coincide with the year his defense wasn't any good and his team lost a bunch of games. And I have a hard time giving him credit for 2 NCs. Yeah he helped win the first one, but Chris Leak gets the championship credit.
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Yeah but it if werent for Tebow they wouldnt have beat us or LSU that year.
 
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#124
Pooods said:
I just don't understand the comment: "Peyton never beat Florida". I have heard it over and over for many years. It was 2 teams playing and not Peyton versus Florida. Florida had us in talent and coaching back then. But, everyone blames it on one player now and back then. Same goes for Peyton's playoff game record in the NFL.
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yeah but a qb of peytons calliber is supposed to take the team on his back and win the big game, like tebow does thats what makes him a better college player than peyton but peyton is the better qb but not a better player
 
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