Tebow vs Peyton Manning

#52
#52
Ohio Vol said:
I think you totally missed the point, which is that there are fairly comparable players to the "all-time greats" who are not and never will be in Canton.

Elway is fairly comparable to Dave Krieg (who I refer to as "Elway without the rings".) Brady is fairly comparable to Donovan McNabb, and in some extremely unusual ways that's true. Namath isn't really comparable to anyone, but he was a worse player than probably 10 QBs who aren't in and won't go in.

Bradshaw could have been replaced by any of a number of players for the Steelers' first two championships, but they needed him desperately for the last two. He actually has an extremely unusual career arc, comparable maybe to Len Dawson (who was vastly superior to Bradshaw).
Click to expand...

Comparing Elway to Krieg? Please explain because by my calculations Elway had a record of 148-82-1, was voted to 9 Pro Bowls, played in 5 Super Bowls(winning 2), threw 327 TD passes while running for 40 more. Krieg's record was 98-77, voted to 3 Pro Bowls, no Super Bowls, threw 272 TD passes and ran for 14 more. In my opinion that wouldn't even be close to comparable.
 
#56
#56
I just detest all the Tebow love so called Tenn fans here. forget college or pro .who is the better QB period. Tebow or Manning?????oh and in response to manning chocking all four years against Florida, are you even old enough to remember those games or are you going with what the ESPN crowd feeds you as the reason he didnt get the Heisman. i guess Manning should have been playing croner back on those 3rd and 4th and longs that Florida orchestarted on that . i think we can give the credit for that to Mr. Chavis.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
#57
#57
Tebow may go down as the best QB in college football history, but I think Peyton will go down as the GOAT
 
#58
#58
I just remember that Peyton never beat the gators and we get waxed by Nebraska. Except for 1998, we would win the SEC East because we had to wait and watch to see if UF would lose two SEC games after they beat us (that wasn't all during Peyton's tenure, but it was a theme in the 1990s an to some degree this decade).

Peyton choked in the big games in college, and Tebow has had much more success in college if you were to compare their resumes.

Peyton when looking back will be remembered for a looooong time. He got the choke monkey off his back and won a Superbowl and he will be on of the best QBs ever in the NFL. Not true for Teabags
 
#59
#59
Just Some of the "Chock Artists" Stats

Tennessee Volunteers records
Most passing attempts (career): 1,381[11]
Most passing attempts (season): 477 (1997)[11]
Most passing attempts (game): 65 (09/21/96 vs. Florida)[11]
Most completions (career): 863[11]
Most completions (game): 37 (09/21/96 vs. Florida)[11]
Most consecutive completions (game): 12 (11/22/97 vs. Kentucky)[12]
Highest completion percentage (career): 62.49%[12]
Highest completion percentage (season): 64.2% (1995)[12]
Lowest interception percentage (career): 2.39%[12]
Lowest interception percentage (season): 1.05% (1995)[12]
Most consecutive passes without an interception (season): 132[12]
Most passing yards (season): 3,819 (1997)[11]
Most passing yards (career): 11,201[11]
Most passing yards (game): 508 (11/22/97 vs. Kentucky)[11]
Most offensive yards (career): 11,020[12]
Most 500+ passing yard games (career): 1[12]
Most 400+ passing yard games (career): 3[12]
Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 18[12]
Most 300+ passing yard games (season): 9 (1997)[12]
Most consecutive 300+ passing yard games: 7[12]
Most 200+ passing yard games (career): 30[12]
Most wins as starting quarterback (career): 39[11]
Most touchdown passes (career): 89[12]
Most touchdown passes (game): 5 (08/30/97 vs. Texas Tech, 11/22/97 vs. Kentucky)[12]
Most touchdowns (career): 101[12]
Most offensive plays (career): 1,534[12]
Most offensive plays (season): 538 (1997)[12]
Most offensive plays (game): 70 (09/21/96 vs. Florida)[11]



SEC records
Lowest interception percentage (season): 1.05% (1995)[160]
Highest completion percentage (career): 62.49%[12]
Lowest interception percentage (career): 2.39%[12]
Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 18[12]
 
#60
#60
And just in case your interested here are some more lame stats that your King Tebow will certainly squash when he decides too.
NFL records

Career (individual)
Manning holds a number of individual career records:

Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 9 (1999–2004, 2006–2008)[161]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 6 (1999–2004)[3]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes: 11 (1998–2008; current)[161]
Most games with a perfect passer rating, career: 4 (includes 1 playoff game)[87]
Most consecutive games started to open a career by a quarterback (current): 176[162]
Highest passer rating, season: 121.1 (2004)[163]
Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)[164]
Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 5 (games 7–11, 2004)[163]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (season, 2004): 6 (tied with 1984 Marino)[163]
Most games with at least 5 touchdown passes, career: 7 (includes 1 playoff game)[citation needed]
Highest career TDs/game average for any QB with at least 150 TDs: 1.90 TDs/game[40]
Highest career completions/game average (min. 100 games played): 21.7[165]
Most consecutive games with a passer rating over 100: 9 (games 5–13 of 2004 season; record tied by Carson Palmer, 2004–05 and Tom Brady, 2006–07)[166]
Most seasons with 12+ wins as a starter (regular season only): 7 (1999, 2003–2008)
Only QB with at least 12 wins as a starter in 6 consecutive seasons (2003–2008)[167]
First QB to defeat the other 31 teams in the regular season (Tom Brady did this later the same day, and Brett Favre did it the following week)[168]

Playoff records
Most 300+ yard passing games: 6 (tied with Joe Montana)[169]
Most 400+ yard passing games: 2 (tied with Dan Marino)[170]
Most yards passing, 1st half of game: 360 vs. Denver Broncos, 1/9/05[171]
Led the biggest comeback in conference championship game history (18 pts), 1/21/07 vs. New England[172]
One of only four QB's to post a perfect 158.3 rating in a game (Don Meredith, Terry Bradshaw, Dave Krieg)[173]
One of only three QB's to complete 30 or more passes in 2 playoff games (Warren Moon, Tom Brady)
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 7 (tied w/Tom Brady)

Rookie records
Most passing attempts: 575[174]
Most completions: 326[163]
Most passing yards: 3,739[163]
Most touchdown passes: 26[163]
Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass (games 4–16): 13[174]
 
#61
#61
I hate the Gators but IMO Danny Wuerffel & Tim Teblow are both in the top 5 college QB's off all-time. Peyton is not.
 
#64
#64
Somehow, I don't think posing for GQ is what Jesus would do.

Tebow.jpg


Link
 
#65
#65
VolsWinRLose said:
Let us not make the all-too-common mistake of believing that awards make the QB, as it is patently untrue.
Click to expand...

Had PM done the same, you'd be whistling a different tune, no doubt. I'm sure you'll huff and puff and assure me that such is not the case but since PM definitely didn't win those awards we shall never know.
 
#66
#66
easy answer-Tebow trumps manning for college

But Manning gets bigger laugh with Hall of Fame induction, a Super Bowl and multi-millions to boot

So what would a person want? ALLTime greatest college QB or NFL? manning wins hands down
 
#67
#67
Tebow is one of the greatest college QBs ever. Manning will retire as statistically the( and arguably "the" period) greatest QB in football history. I think I know which one i'd take.
 
#68
#68
idiotman82 said:
Tebow is one of the greatest college QBs ever. Manning will retire as statistically the( and arguably "the" period) greatest QB in football history. I think I know which one i'd take.
Click to expand...

Which would you rather have, 1 ring or 3 rings?
Sometimes stats aren't the most important thing. Right now Brett Favre is statistically the best QB ever, but I doubt many people consider him the best QB ever. What does Peyton have that Brett doesn't? Brett's been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1. Unless Peyton closes the SB gap with Brady, it'll be tough to say he's even the greatest QB of his era.
 
#69
#69
rocks said:
Tebow is a better college QB. No doubt. Will he be a better pro? Who knows... To be considered better than Peyton you better be on the level of Tom Brady which is not likely...
Click to expand...

I would rather watch Manning in college than Tebow. Manning was a big reason for the rise in talent on the hill in the late 90's. He couldn't beat Florida in three tries but his winning % as a QB is better than Tebow's. Manning was 39 and 6 as a starter and Tebow is currently 22 and 5. Tebow was 9 and 4 in 2007. Peyton's sophomore campaign ended with one loss and a bowl victory over Ohio State.

Look at Manning's NFL career numbers. Who Knows is a bit absurd. Tebow will not approach Peyton's pro career. When Manning is finished he will likely be #1 or #2 in every QB statistical category.

Peyton is better than Brady. Ask yourself how the Colts would do without Peyton and then we saw the Pats without Brady.
 
#70
#70
crusse10 said:
Which would you rather have, 1 ring or 3 rings?
Sometimes stats aren't the most important thing. Right now Brett Favre is statistically the best QB ever, but I doubt many people consider him the best QB ever. What does Peyton have that Brett doesn't? Brett's been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1. Unless Peyton closes the SB gap with Brady, it'll be tough to say he's even the greatest QB of his era.
Click to expand...

So Terry Bradshaw is better than Steve Young? Jim Plunkett is better than Dan Marino?
 
#71
#71
It is a constant point of utter bewilderment how team accomplishments can somehow be heaped on the shoulders of an individual. For instance, take any QB you think is the greatest, doesn't even matter the era. Unitas, Bradshaw, Marino, Montana, Manning, Brady, whoever. Now put them at the helm of last years Lions. Now try to convince yourself how many games they win. Are they a "better" team? Almost certainly. Will the talent at QB still be obvious? Yep. Will it translate into a bunch of victories? Nope.

So Barry Sanders sucked because his teams didn't win that often? Trent Dilfer was great because he won a SB? What an individual accomplishes is just that. Some of the best players that ever played any team sport never sniffed a championship. Tebow deserves recognition because he really is a good college QB. That he gets so much individual love for what the team accomplishes really gets under my skin.

I know, it's a "cultural" thing. Advertisers and the media sell "stars", not teams, so it's not like I blame Tebow for this. He's just another example of an individual that gets pointed to and all these people go "Look what HE has accomplished.". As though, you know, having the #1 scoring D in the SEC and #4 in the whole nation had nothing to do with it.
 
#74
#74
crusse10 said:
100% of the time Dan Marino gives up his numbers to have the titles.
Click to expand...

The question is whether the Dolphins not winning a title in some way diminishes Dan Marino's career. It does not.

Whether Marino would trade cash, awards, or fame to have a Super Bowl is irrelevant. I'd trade an awful lot to go back in time and win a state championship when I was a senior in high school. The fact that we didn't win one doesn't diminish the individual careers of one single person there. It doesn't make them less of a player.
 
#75
#75
Ohio Vol said:
The question is whether the Dolphins not winning a title in some way diminishes Dan Marino's career. It does not.

Whether Marino would trade cash, awards, or fame to have a Super Bowl is irrelevant. I'd trade an awful lot to go back in time and win a state championship when I was a senior in high school. The fact that we didn't win one doesn't diminish the individual careers of one single person there. It doesn't make them less of a player.
Click to expand...

I say it diminishes his career. He isn't known as the best QB ever. He's known as the best QB to never win a Super Bowl.
If you poll 100 people and ask who the better QB was, Dan Marino or Joe Montana, Joe would crush Dan.
 
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top