Tebow vs Peyton Manning

#26
#26
It depends on how you believe an offense should be run and what your other personnel look like. If you've got receivers who can make plays on a consistent basis and they just need someone who can get the ball there, Manning's your man.

If you're like me and believe that offense is built around prodding to find that matchup that is unfavorable to the defense, you take Tebow. He doesn't have to have Manning's accuracy and/or arm strength. He needs to just do enough in the running game to create a one-on-one matchup on the outside or get linebackers on receivers; the receiver is better able to adjust mid-flight and come down with the ball in that situation than against a zone.

But if we're talking best college QB...that's a tough call. I loved Tommie Frazier. I believe that Michael Vick could have done so much more if he had a more creative offensive mind.
 
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MUR73 said:
ASK YOUR SELF THIS QUESTION, THERE IS 90 SECONDS LEFT ON THE CLOCK YOUR DOWN BY 6 AND HAVE THE BALL ON YOUR OWN 10 YARD LINE WITH NO TIMEOUTS . WHO YOU GONNA TAKE PEYTON OR TEEBOW. MY MONEY IS ON MANNING EVERYTIME.
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Are you trying to lose the game. I'll take Tebow everytime with that scenario.
 
#28
#28
I threw this mental experiment out at some friends. See what you guys think.

Take every BCS team and throw their name in a hat. Dig around and pull out 10 names. You'll have OK's & USC's as well as your Tulane's & TCU's. Totally random systems, schemes and surrounding talent. Now you plug Tebow and Manning into all those teams and see who succeeds most across the board.

There's no denying Tebow's talent but, as another poster said earlier, a better example of exactly the right guy in the right place at the right time is hard to imagine. If you just want a QB that you are pretty much convinced could walk onto virtually any campus and nearly any system, study the playbook and start throwing for yards and TD's we all decided that under that criteria we'd take Manning.

The argument most cited, and one I've always been a huge proponent of, is that it is simply absurd to look at a teams accomplishments and point to one guy and say "it's all because of him". How many people here think Trent Dilfer was the best QB in the NFL in 2000? Why not? He won the Super Bowl didn't he? Tebow's skillset, while impressive, seems much more specialized and subject to playing to his strengths where our consensus was that, short of being a lousy option QB, Peyton would look damn good everywhere else.
 
#29
#29
I think the question should be, "who would you pick to build a team around"...and I, too, love lawgator's "popular opinion". Ha...its a joke, PM & Brady will go down as best QBs maybe ever.
And I'm too biased to pick, because I'm overwhelming for Peyton.
 
#30
#30
Tebow is a better college QB. No doubt. Will he be a better pro? Who knows... To be considered better than Peyton you better be on the level of Tom Brady which is not likely...
 
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rocks said:
Tebow is a better college QB. No doubt. Will he be a better pro? Who knows... To be considered better than Peyton you better be on the level of Tom Brady which is not likely...
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The level of Tom Brady is what I call "hideously overrated". He, John Elway, and Joe Namath have that strata nearly all to themselves.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The level of Tom Brady is what I call "hideously overrated". He, John Elway, and Joe Namath have that strata nearly all to themselves.
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Guess Terry Bradshaw should be included as well right? I mean he had all that talent around him. :ermm:
 
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MUR73 said:
Lets face it Teebow is a great competitor and he will be known as one of colleges greatest but he has a better supporting cast than peyton did. Florida is a more complete team. Now our supporting casts when Peyton played wasn't a slouch, but Peyton is often criticized for never beating florida , but excet that one game in which he had 4 interceptions, all of which were not his fault he played def good enoug to win. Fact is it was ourdefense that gave up all the points and the and the third and fourth down and longs. Fact is when you score 35 points in any game that should be enough to win the game. Another fact is that Peyton was screwed out of the hiesman, We ALL know that so you can add that point to Peytons resume. How many comebacks does Peyton have versus Teebow have.? Again Tebow is great but get out the stat book and it is not as obvios as everyone thinks. ASK YOUR SELF THIS QUESTION, THERE IS 90 SECONDS LEFT ON THE CLOCK YOUR DOWN BY 6 AND HAVE THE BALL ON YOUR OWN 10 YARD LINE WITH NO TIMEOUTS . WHO YOU GONNA TAKE PEYTON OR TEEBOW. MY MONEY IS ON MANNING EVERYTIME.
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IDK why everybody tries to defend PM all the time. Fact is Peyton choked against UF and everyone knows it...
 
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MUR73 said:
Lets face it Teebow is a great competitor and he will be known as one of colleges greatest but he has a better supporting cast than peyton did. Florida is a more complete team. Now our supporting casts when Peyton played wasn't a slouch, but Peyton is often criticized for never beating florida , but excet that one game in which he had 4 interceptions, all of which were not his fault he played def good enoug to win. Fact is it was ourdefense that gave up all the points and the and the third and fourth down and longs. Fact is when you score 35 points in any game that should be enough to win the game. Another fact is that Peyton was screwed out of the hiesman, We ALL know that so you can add that point to Peytons resume. How many comebacks does Peyton have versus Teebow have.? Again Tebow is great but get out the stat book and it is not as obvios as everyone thinks. ASK YOUR SELF THIS QUESTION, THERE IS 90 SECONDS LEFT ON THE CLOCK YOUR DOWN BY 6 AND HAVE THE BALL ON YOUR OWN 10 YARD LINE WITH NO TIMEOUTS . WHO YOU GONNA TAKE PEYTON OR TEEBOW. MY MONEY IS ON MANNING EVERYTIME.
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Actually... I'd rather have Roethlisberger right now. No joke.

Out of the two in college, I'd take Tebow. If I remember correctly Manning wasn't all that impressive in last minute drives in college. Tebow took UF down the field in two games last year when it mattered and sealed the game.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
He choked four years straight, not just in one game. But hey, keep on keepin' on
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Wow you got him...way to totally ignore his point.

Only an idiot would say Manning "choked" against Florida 4 years in a row. The 1994 team wasn't even very good and he didn't even start that game. 1995 Manning did pretty well; it wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop jack squat in the second half.

You know what...I don't know why I'm even doing this...you're clearly a fool who's going to spout that crap because it's easy to say. Fact is Fulmer was could hardly ever beat Florida before and after Manning.
 
#40
#40
What if Peyton played on Urbie's teams and Timmy played on CPF's teams in the nineties?
 
#43
#43
Tebow better College QB, can't argue that.

Peyton (with his SB ring) will go down as one of the best 3 QBs of all time.
 
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rocks said:
Guess Terry Bradshaw should be included as well right? I mean he had all that talent around him. :ermm:
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I think you totally missed the point, which is that there are fairly comparable players to the "all-time greats" who are not and never will be in Canton.

Elway is fairly comparable to Dave Krieg (who I refer to as "Elway without the rings".) Brady is fairly comparable to Donovan McNabb, and in some extremely unusual ways that's true. Namath isn't really comparable to anyone, but he was a worse player than probably 10 QBs who aren't in and won't go in.

Bradshaw could have been replaced by any of a number of players for the Steelers' first two championships, but they needed him desperately for the last two. He actually has an extremely unusual career arc, comparable maybe to Len Dawson (who was vastly superior to Bradshaw).
 
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#45
Is there really even an argument on who is the better college QB? I'm a diehard UT fan, but even I can see that Tebow's college career will go down as one of the greatest ever - even if his 4th year is mediocre. You can argue all you want about system, who would you pick, pro career, etc., but the bottom line is that Tebow will probably go down as the greatest college football player ever.
 
#46
#46
Manning every time.

Peyton has brains and fortitude.
Timmy has the Tebettes and The System behind him.

Let us not make the all-too-common mistake of believing that awards make the QB, as it is patently untrue.
 
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