Teams Live and Die by Tempo (see vs FL or just ask Kiffin)

[casual-observer]

After watching Kiffin's offensive magic absolutely get destroyed by the Alabama war machine yesterday, it made me consider UT could potentially have a few more blow-out losses (hopefully wrong predictions for AL & GA).

Ole Miss had the fire early in the game yesterday but those missed 4th down opportunities (a) took the wind out of their sails and worse (b) gave Alabama consistent short fields. Tempo urgency then snowballs as the score grows and the need for points and risky 4th down plays are magnified. Kiffin made the right choices - if he wanted to get back in and have a shot, he had to go for those 4th down plays. They missed, and dug their hole deeper.

UT did the exact same thing against Florida last week. The game felt closer than the score but, a few dropped 4th down passes, a missed open receiver, etc. and the game spiraled out of hand.

I suspect that is a hallmark of Tempo Offense. When things are clicking - you beat your opponent like a drum. When your opponent is better than you, it keeps you in a game you might not have otherwise won. And when things don't work out, the results look worse than they are.

All that to say, I'd take what coach Heupel is doing right now over anything I've seen in decades from the University of Tennessee. He's going to surprise somebody (and I hope it's a top 10 opponent). Go VOLS!

 

[NCVol1025]

My thoughts exactly... Going over 50% on +30 yd plays covers up many imperfections. As this improves and becomes consistent other aspects of the offense open up. Both the losses included poor results down field

 

[ClockworkOrange]

I don't think Heupel would have gone for it on 4th down in his own territory. Kiffin made some boneheaded decisions and never really gave his offense a chance. It reminded me of some of the worst days of Hal Mumme.

 

[VolsFan-TX]

After watching Kiffin's offensive magic absolutely get destroyed by the Alabama war machine yesterday, it made me consider UT could potentially have a few more blow-out losses (hopefully wrong predictions for AL & GA).

Ole Miss had the fire early in the game yesterday but those missed 4th down opportunities (a) took the wind out of their sails and worse (b) gave Alabama consistent short fields. Tempo urgency then snowballs as the score grows and the need for points and risky 4th down plays are magnified. Kiffin made the right choices - if he wanted to get back in and have a shot, he had to go for those 4th down plays. They missed, and dug their hole deeper.

UT did the exact same thing against Florida last week. The game felt closer than the score but, a few dropped 4th down passes, a missed open receiver, etc. and the game spiraled out of hand.

I suspect that is a hallmark of Tempo Offense. When things are clicking - you beat your opponent like a drum. When your opponent is better than you, it keeps you in a game you might not have otherwise won. And when things don't work out, the results look worse than they are.

All that to say, I'd take what coach Heupel is doing right now over anything I've seen in decades from the University of Tennessee. He's going to surprise somebody (and I hope it's a top 10 opponent). Go VOLS!

Tempo does not require teams to make poor decisions on 4th down in your own territory.

 

[sjt18]

After watching Kiffin's offensive magic absolutely get destroyed by the Alabama war machine yesterday, it made me consider UT could potentially have a few more blow-out losses (hopefully wrong predictions for AL & GA).

Ole Miss had the fire early in the game yesterday but those missed 4th down opportunities (a) took the wind out of their sails and worse (b) gave Alabama consistent short fields. Tempo urgency then snowballs as the score grows and the need for points and risky 4th down plays are magnified. Kiffin made the right choices - if he wanted to get back in and have a shot, he had to go for those 4th down plays. They missed, and dug their hole deeper.

UT did the exact same thing against Florida last week. The game felt closer than the score but, a few dropped 4th down passes, a missed open receiver, etc. and the game spiraled out of hand.

I suspect that is a hallmark of Tempo Offense. When things are clicking - you beat your opponent like a drum. When your opponent is better than you, it keeps you in a game you might not have otherwise won. And when things don't work out, the results look worse than they are.

All that to say, I'd take what coach Heupel is doing right now over anything I've seen in decades from the University of Tennessee. He's going to surprise somebody (and I hope it's a top 10 opponent). Go VOLS!

UT may take it in the chin vs Bama and UGA... and most everyone else will too.

UT didn't run tempo much vs UF. I'm not sure whether it was because they were still working up to it with Hooker or they wanted to rest the D. A couple of missed opportunities hurt but the penalties hurt more and kept UT behind the sticks and out of rhythm.

For whatever reason, UF caught that disease vs UK. That was by far the biggest factor in their game. They had 160 more yds of O than UK but 15 penalties just kept them off balance.

UK had 224 yds of total O btw. That's not going to win games for them on a regular basis. It was kind of a fluke win with the FG block-TD.

 

[BanditVol]

I don't think Heupel would have gone for it on 4th down in his own territory. Kiffin made some boneheaded decisions and never really gave his offense a chance. It reminded me of some of the worst days of Hal Mumme.

Kiffin absolutley was stupid on all but the first 4th down play, and even that one is debatable.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I would say teams live or die by your offensive line, but the tempo does have an advantage. it means your guys should be in shape enough in the third quarter, when the game starts.

...that's if you are not a medical ward by then.

 

[UTK]

Breaking news. You have to execute in a fast paced offense.

 

[VolPack22]

There were a couple of crucial horrible snaps from Mays on 3rd down plays that were drive killers, dropped a possible touchdown on another perfectly dialed up 3rd down play and had a bonehead 30 yard penalty on a punt return. That Florida game was going to go down to the wire if we don’t do “Tennessee” things. Since 1993, Florida always has brought out the worst in Tennessee. Tennessee has not played a complete game against Florida since 1990 and 1992. That game will have no bearing on the rest of the season.

 

[66volfan]

You’re comparing rebuilding programs to established powerhouses. Tempo isn’t going to be what kills us in those games, inferior depth and talent will contribute more.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

we knew florida would beat us up this year, but that was the first SEC game coach Hype had ever coached in, and he didn't complain at all, he started running the ball more, and putting more pressure on the qb.

just like that. it just happened.

 

[sechamp2012]

You’re comparing rebuilding programs to established powerhouses. Tempo isn’t going to be what kills us in those games, inferior depth and talent will contribute more.

This is true, and Kiffin tried the complete opposite when he was here 1 year and we were an 18 point dog to Florida. He ran the clock down to zero on every snap. Played a very conservative game and kept it close. People bombarded him for going for a moral victory. Inferior teams generally lose unless there's a 4 or 5 turnover differential.

 

[Rickyvol77]

There were a couple of crucial horrible snaps from Mays on 3rd down plays that were drive killers, dropped a possible touchdown on another perfectly dialed up 3rd down play and had a bonehead 30 yard penalty on a punt return. That Florida game was going to go down to the wire if we don’t do “Tennessee” things. Since 1993, Florida always has brought out the worst in Tennessee. Tennessee has not played a complete game against Florida since 1990 and 1992. That game will have no bearing on the rest of the season.

BS UT played complete games against Florida in 2001, 2003

 

[Rickyvol77]

After watching Kiffin's offensive magic absolutely get destroyed by the Alabama war machine yesterday, it made me consider UT could potentially have a few more blow-out losses (hopefully wrong predictions for AL & GA).

Ole Miss had the fire early in the game yesterday but those missed 4th down opportunities (a) took the wind out of their sails and worse (b) gave Alabama consistent short fields. Tempo urgency then snowballs as the score grows and the need for points and risky 4th down plays are magnified. Kiffin made the right choices - if he wanted to get back in and have a shot, he had to go for those 4th down plays. They missed, and dug their hole deeper.

UT did the exact same thing against Florida last week. The game felt closer than the score but, a few dropped 4th down passes, a missed open receiver, etc. and the game spiraled out of hand.

I suspect that is a hallmark of Tempo Offense. When things are clicking - you beat your opponent like a drum. When your opponent is better than you, it keeps you in a game you might not have otherwise won. And when things don't work out, the results look worse than they are.

All that to say, I'd take what coach Heupel is doing right now over anything I've seen in decades from the University of Tennessee. He's going to surprise somebody (and I hope it's a top 10 opponent). Go VOLS!

Kiffin is a loser coach. That is the difference between him and CJH

 

[Vol865]

After watching Kiffin's offensive magic absolutely get destroyed by the Alabama war machine yesterday, it made me consider UT could potentially have a few more blow-out losses (hopefully wrong predictions for AL & GA).

Ole Miss had the fire early in the game yesterday but those missed 4th down opportunities (a) took the wind out of their sails and worse (b) gave Alabama consistent short fields. Tempo urgency then snowballs as the score grows and the need for points and risky 4th down plays are magnified. Kiffin made the right choices - if he wanted to get back in and have a shot, he had to go for those 4th down plays. They missed, and dug their hole deeper.

UT did the exact same thing against Florida last week. The game felt closer than the score but, a few dropped 4th down passes, a missed open receiver, etc. and the game spiraled out of hand.

I suspect that is a hallmark of Tempo Offense. When things are clicking - you beat your opponent like a drum. When your opponent is better than you, it keeps you in a game you might not have otherwise won. And when things don't work out, the results look worse than they are.

All that to say, I'd take what coach Heupel is doing right now over anything I've seen in decades from the University of Tennessee. He's going to surprise somebody (and I hope it's a top 10 opponent). Go VOLS!

We've been getting blown out by them either way.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

After watching Kiffin's offensive magic absolutely get destroyed by the Alabama war machine yesterday, it made me consider UT could potentially have a few more blow-out losses (hopefully wrong predictions for AL & GA).

Ole Miss had the fire early in the game yesterday but those missed 4th down opportunities (a) took the wind out of their sails and worse (b) gave Alabama consistent short fields. Tempo urgency then snowballs as the score grows and the need for points and risky 4th down plays are magnified. Kiffin made the right choices - if he wanted to get back in and have a shot, he had to go for those 4th down plays. They missed, and dug their hole deeper.

UT did the exact same thing against Florida last week. The game felt closer than the score but, a few dropped 4th down passes, a missed open receiver, etc. and the game spiraled out of hand.

I suspect that is a hallmark of Tempo Offense. When things are clicking - you beat your opponent like a drum. When your opponent is better than you, it keeps you in a game you might not have otherwise won. And when things don't work out, the results look worse than they are.

All that to say, I'd take what coach Heupel is doing right now over anything I've seen in decades from the University of Tennessee. He's going to surprise somebody (and I hope it's a top 10 opponent). Go VOLS!

There are a handful of teams that just have the talent to shut us down. If the WR can't take the lid off the deep safety, or if the TE/RB cannot get free and tie up a LB, then there is no space to attack. For anyone who really wants to get into the technical aspects of defending the veer and shoot, this is a pretty good article about how Kirby designed his defense to defend hybrid defenses. UGA Mint Front.

 

[Volatility]

Are you sure it wasn’t that Alabama is absolutely stacked with talent and this is their second year playing against Lane Kiffin?

 

[The Original Fade]

Kiffin showed why he is not a upper tier head coach. He is average at best, his record reflects that, and yet we still have posters here who would take him in a heartbeat. Blows my mind.

 

[Dudleys87]

Are you sure it wasn’t that Alabama is absolutely stacked with talent and this is their second year playing against Lane Kiffin?

No, unless Kiffin has a super star QB his offenses are just average. As we all know nothing can over come bad QB play I don’t care how much talent you have

 

[Dudleys87]

There are a handful of teams that just have the talent to shut us down. If the WR can't take the lid off the deep safety, or if the TE/RB cannot get free and tie up a LB, then there is no space to attack. For anyone who really wants to get into the technical aspects of defending the veer and shoot, this is a pretty good article about how Kirby designed his defense to defend hybrid defenses. UGA Mint Front.

He should design his offense to score points.

 

[BigDave]

CJH uses "up tempo" offense in very distinct times within a game, not 100% full go for all of a game. I believe one reason is due to the lack of depth across the OL. The second is he looks for specific defense personnel groupings along with down and distance.

From what I've watched CJH likes to go fast when we are ahead of the chains, 2nd and 3rd and short, where defenses cannot substitute in DL or LB. Also when the offense has hit a big play, running to the line of scrimmage trying to catch the defense off guard and prohibit substitutions.

I will say this, this is offense is fun to watch! I wouldn't call it a "run and shoot" or "veer" or a pure "RPO" or "Pro Style", instead what I see is a little bit of all mixed together and sets are called based upon down and distance, defense personnel, field position, time, score, etc. Dang, it's just fun to watch!!

GBO - beat the Gamechickens!!

 

[VolPack22]

BS UT played complete games against Florida in 2001, 2003

We must have different definitions of complete games. 2003 we were going to be losing 3-0 at halftime until the Clausen Hail Mary. Even with that miracle, it was a 7 point game in the 4th quarter and the game was still in the balance. 2001, we allowed them to score 32 points, with 20 of those coming unanswered in the 2nd quarter. Those are not complete games. 1990 we played a complete game destroyed them 45-3. 2 years later we did the same thing and won 31-14 (was 31-7 until Florida scored late to make the score better than what it actually was). Complete games are from start to finish in my book.

 

[Carp]

UT may take it in the chin vs Bama and UGA... and most everyone else will too.

UT didn't run tempo much vs UF. I'm not sure whether it was because they were still working up to it with Hooker or they wanted to rest the D. A couple of missed opportunities hurt but the penalties hurt more and kept UT behind the sticks and out of rhythm.

For whatever reason, UF caught that disease vs UK. That was by far the biggest factor in their game. They had 160 more yds of O than UK but 15 penalties just kept them off balance.

UK had 224 yds of total O btw. That's not going to win games for them on a regular basis. It was kind of a fluke win with the FG block-TD.

UK won in typical UK fashion under Stoops. Play good defense. Establish the run. Force TOs. If they can't do at least 2 of these things, they lose 9/10 times. They almost never win in a shootout.

So far, we've proven pretty good at stopping the run outside of the UF game. And the vast majority of those yards came in the 2nd half after that failed 4th down conversion when the wheels fell off. We weren't doing a great job at stopping the run before that play, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[jvol1]

Our offense most resembles the OK offense. It sometimes seemed to come up short against teams with premier talent, but they've consistently finished in the top 10 with it.

 

[savannahfan]

I don't think Heupel would have gone for it on 4th down in his own territory. Kiffin made some boneheaded decisions and never really gave his offense a chance. It reminded me of some of the worst days of Hal Mumme.

I disagree strongly.. Kittin knew it made on difference for his team to give up the ball on their own 35-40 or on Bama's 20-15. Bama would score anyway. In this case a 40-50 yard by Bama was not as hard on his defense as a 75-85 yard drive.