Team Strength a Concern for CDT

[Lefteye]

I think there is obviously has to be a balance achieved between strength and bulk. Shooting is a repetitive motion, muscle memory activity. When you start changing size you start messing with mechanics and muscle memory.

I can give you an example of a guys that got too big from other sports.

Football:
Tim Tebow
Brady Quinn

Quarterback is one of the more analogous positions between football and basketball. Throwing a ball is a repetitive, muscle memory activity. Tebow and Quinn both put on too much size, and it negatively effected their ability to throw the football with consistent accuracy. This has been mentioned by several "QB Gurus" regarding these 2 players.

Golf:
David Duval

Golf Swings and shooting form is also similar. Duval thought he needed to bulk up to compete with Tiger, but in doing so, he completely destroyed his swing.

That being said, adding functional strength is not detrimental to repetitive motion tasks. Weight lifting for strength and not size is beneficial for basketball players.

ehh, if they get too big just move em to fullback.

Dan Kendra

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Fair enough, since I wasn't there, did DT question the former staffs conditioning program, or is that your interpretation of what he said. I don't know DT, but I'm fairly sure he is smart enough not make broad assumptions based on 3 players. I would say your original post is a fair representation of your bashing. Everything you said was reasonable about the lack of strength, but you couldn't help but add in a nice little bash at the end. Again, that's your prerogative, but I don't think it is fair for you to put words in DT mouths. I personally think that DT could care less about the former coach one way or the other, and what he was talking about in no way informed anyone of his opinion on the former regime.

So his saying he was shocked that someone like JRich could be in a major college S&C program for 3 years and still be as "weak" as he is, isn't an indictment, in his opinion, of the previous S&C regime? I doubt he cares about them either. But that doesn't mean he doesn't think that something's not adding up. One doesn't have to stretch too far to see that CDT doesn't see a player being around for 3 years in his program and not being stronger. Once again, my OP was to convey a concern our new coach has about his new team and that it wasn't a concern he expected to have from some of the upperclassmen, both his recruits and carryovers. Anything else you draw from that is simply you trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. So carry on as you will.

 

[volbeast33]

He is one of the all time greats - certainly one of the greatest shooters of all time. So I would guess most people would agree that his opinion could be slightly more relevant than yours? :crazy:

It would be relevant if they asked a player that played basketball in an era that believes in lifting weights how it affects their play.

 

[TGVol]

It would be relevant if they asked a player that played basketball in an era that believes in lifting weights how it affects their play.

Current NBA MVP Kevin Durant could not do a single bench press of 185lbs coming out of college as #2 pick - did not seem to have negative impact on him and he has clearly been dominating the current era NBA.

 

[volbeast33]

I think there is obviously has to be a balance achieved between strength and bulk. Shooting is a repetitive motion, muscle memory activity. When you start changing size you start messing with mechanics and muscle memory.

I can give you an example of a guys that got too big from other sports.

Football:
Tim Tebow
Brady Quinn

Quarterback is one of the more analogous positions between football and basketball. Throwing a ball is a repetitive, muscle memory activity. Tebow and Quinn both put on too much size, and it negatively effected their ability to throw the football with consistent accuracy. This has been mentioned by several "QB Gurus" regarding these 2 players.

Golf:
David Duval

Golf Swings and shooting form is also similar. Duval thought he needed to bulk up to compete with Tiger, but in doing so, he completely destroyed his swing.

That being said, adding functional strength is not detrimental to repetitive motion tasks. Weight lifting for strength and not size is beneficial for basketball players.

Tim Tebow and B Quinn didnt suck bc they lifted weights.....Not sure about Duvall but I know that Tiger Woods has always lifted quite a bit when he was considered the greatest of all time.

If u dont work out the right way it can be detrimental to your game in any sport but hopefully CDT has a program set up for basketball players.....He wants them stronger, faster, leaner, and more agile. He does not want them bulky.

 

[drewtigeralum]

So his saying he was shocked that someone like JRich could be in a major college S&C program for 3 years and still be as "weak" as he is, isn't an indictment, in his opinion, of the previous S&C regime? I doubt he cares about them either. But that doesn't mean he doesn't think that something's not adding up. One doesn't have to stretch too far to see that CDT doesn't see a player being around for 3 years in his program and not being stronger. Once again, my OP was to convey a concern our new coach has about his new team and that it wasn't a concern he expected to have from some of the upperclassmen, both his recruits and carryovers. Anything else you draw from that is simply you trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

You're being disingenuous if you say the original post wasn't intended to be a dig at the prior coaches.

That said, Josh Richardson is the least of DT's worries. I would be more concerned about the rail thin post players, because strength is more of a concern with those guys. I'm willing to bet Josh Richardson conditioning is through the roof. If he has to sacrifice some muscle mass in his upper body for extra endurance I think it is a decent trade. I would be interested to see his vert, shuttle numbers, and sprint numbers as those are more relevant to his position.

 

[volbeast33]

Current NBA MVP Kevin Durant could not do a single bench press of 185lbs coming out of college as #2 pick - did not seem to have negative impact on him and he has clearly been dominating the current era NBA.

For the last time, it does not affect skill, just an added advantage. I work in a related field and it can give an athlete the extra push they need to win.

 

[Vol8188]

He is one of the all time greats - certainly one of the greatest shooters of all time. So I would guess most people would agree that his opinion could be slightly more relevant than yours? :crazy:

If you asked Babe Ruth about proper diet and nutrition he would probably tell you to smoke two packs a day and have a six pack each night before bed.

Point being, we've came a long way in our understanding of the human body and how it works since these guys played. Babe Ruth probably never lifted. Doesn't mean you shouldn't.

 

[Vol8188]

It can screw with your jumper if you don't do it right. If your lifting in-season, you must shoot right afterwards to allow your muscles to stretch out and keep your form.

I disagree with this too. I would say all you really need is a proper stretching program. Which any d-1 program should have.

 

[Vol8188]

Once again, Lebron James was a god awful shooter as a rookie.

The man is huge now, and his shot has only gotten better.

 

[butchna]

No that is your opinion. Also, you're confusing reading comprehension and interpretation. Reading comprehension involves reading what is on the page (or in this case said). I can comprehend that DT wants his players to be stronger. Reading interpretation is where you take what someone says and interpret it through your own lens. Unless you can read DT's mind, you have no idea what his opinion is of the former strength and conditioning coach. You just take what he says, and interpret it into something that fits your own personal views and bias. Two people should be able to comprehend the same thing from something written, but the same two people may interpret it in different ways. What you are doing is interpreting not comprehending. You are giving your own opinion not anyones else's. Hope this clears things up for you.

Lot of words, when "DUH" and "POPCORN TASTES GOOD" would have sufficed. :crazy:

 

[Burger]

Just do yoga as a cool down after you lift. It's not that hard. You'd probably become even more limber.

 

[TGVol]

Once again, Lebron James was a god awful shooter as a rookie.

The man is huge now, and his shot has only gotten better.

LBJ is overall better player than KD but certainly his jump shot while it has gotten better is still nowhere close as good as KD - perhaps at least partially because he is big/muscular - similar to Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Shaq who are all muscular but all seem to lack the touch that the very best shooters have. Or if you want to stay with UT players as example - all you need to look at are Stokes and Maymon who certainly looked like they spent a good deal of time pumping iron but could not shoot.

 

[jknox33]

I disagree with this too. I would say all you really need is a proper stretching program. Which any d-1 program should have.

I can respect your opinion. I'm basing mine off my experience with other athletes and my own. It was common practice to have shoot around a after lifting sessions in college.

Stretching is huge part of form after lifting but IMO shooting afterward stretches the muscles and keeps both form and feel better. A lot depends in which muscle groups your lifting too. For me, it was very important to shoot after ding any lat work. But I can concede that both having shoot arounds and stretching work well with lifting in-season. I had most problems when lifting on breaks (Fall/Winter) and not touching a ball for days on end afterward. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when I hit the court again.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

You're being disingenuous if you say the original post wasn't intended to be a dig at the prior coaches.

That said, Josh Richardson is the least of DT's worries. I would be more concerned about the rail thin post players, because strength is more of a concern with those guys. I'm willing to bet Josh Richardson conditioning is through the roof. If he has to sacrifice some muscle mass in his upper body for extra endurance I think it is a decent trade. I would be interested to see his vert, shuttle numbers, and sprint numbers as those are more relevant to his position.

Dude let your soapbox go. You're the only one around here still trying to create an environment of divisiveness.

But for the sake of getting you to quit, I insinuated a lot and made a ton of assumptions from CDT's comments, in poorly a veiled attempt to disparage the previous staff. Of course, I couldn't pull it past you, you saw right through me.

 

[drewtigeralum]

Dude let your soapbox go. You're the only one around here still trying to create an environment of divisiveness.

But for the sake of getting you to quit, I insinuated a lot and made a ton of assumptions from CDT's comments, in poorly veiled attempt to disparage the previous staff. Of course, I couldn't pull it past you, you saw right through me.

I thought you were done with me a few posts ago.

I think you just read what you wanted into CDT's comments. Team strength might be an issue, but it's not going to be because of the previous staff. It will probably have more to do with having 4 new Power Forwards and no traditional Centers on the roster.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

This thread reminds me of the quote from Peyton about when he was first enrolling at UT for the Fall and requied to do a freshman bench press test. As Peyton tells it he was worried about the bench press test all summer and the fact that Stewart was a strong guy and the fact that he was rail thin.

Archie told him - Son they reruited you to play quarterback not for your bench press.