Team Strength a Concern for CDT

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bamacheats said:
Biggest myth in basketball that lifting weights screws up your shot. That conclusion is made by seeing a meat head at the gym awkwardly shooting a basketball and thinking, "He lifts weights. He sucks at basketball. Lifting weights make you suck at basketball."
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It can screw with your jumper if you don't do it right. If your lifting in-season, you must shoot right afterwards to allow your muscles to stretch out and keep your form. If you lift and neglect shooting, it throws your shot off with both form and feel.
 
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If Richardson's game this season is equal to his production the last part of last season, then I don't care if he can't bench the 45 lb bar. Dude was one of the better players in the SEC at the end of last season.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I see you're still here and being as defensive as always, even when it's not warranted. I summarized an answer, to a fans question, that came directly from CDT's mouth, 15' feet from me. Nothing in my OP was of my own accord.

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Funny, "nothing in my OP was of my own accord"

"He was astonished at how "weak" the returning players were and without saying as much it was clear that he wondered what the hell the strength program had consisted of in the previous years.

So, the bolded part wasn't of your own accord? Do you even read your previous posts?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Not even physically possible for you to become that much stronger in only two weeks. Unless you're the next Ronnie Coleman.
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Form has nothing to do with strength,ask George gervin he said recently players shouldn't lift
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Dallasbowlin said:
Form has nothing to do with strength,ask George gervin he said recently players shouldn't lift
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I wonder how many reps Reggie Miller could put up? I think there is a difference between functional strength, which you need, and weight lifting strength, which you don't need as guard. I'm going to guess that if you went one on one with Richardson, you would know it when he put his hand on you.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
I wonder how many reps Reggie Miller could put up? I think there is a difference between functional strength, which you need, and weight lifting strength, which you don't need as guard. I'm going to guess that if you went one on one with Richardson, you would know it when he put his hand on you.
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Yes I'm not saying weight lifting is bad in the offseason it's good but I wouldn't do it after a practice or before a game
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drewtigeralum said:
I wonder how many reps Reggie Miller could put up? I think there is a difference between functional strength, which you need, and weight lifting strength, which you don't need as guard. I'm going to guess that if you went one on one with Richardson, you would know it when he put his hand on you.
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The bench is just a test of the strength a player has a giude to see the improvement he is making. CDT does not want bulky players....he wants cut, ripped, strong, agile, and fast players.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Funny, "nothing in my OP was of my own accord"

"He was astonished at how "weak" the returning players were and without saying as much it was clear that he wondered what the hell the strength program had consisted of in the previous years.

So, the bolded part wasn't of your own accord? Do you even read your previous posts?
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That was Donnie's opinion moron. I said it was obvious that HE felt that way not I. Do you even know what reading comprehension is?

You're so blinded by your infatuation with Cuonzo that you can't distinguish between a poster questioning Cuonzo and a poster relaying someone else perhaps questioning Cuonzo.
 
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volbeast33 said:
The bench is just a test of the strength a player has a giude to see the improvement he is making. CDT does not want bulky players....he wants cut, ripped, strong, agile, and fast players.
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The bench is a pretty terrible measure of strength for guys with long arms and thin frames. They have to push the bar so much farther than short armed guys it's not really fair. Same thing with pull ups. Like I said, if Josh is guarding you and puts his hands on you, I'm going to bet you feel it. I would be more interested in core and leg strength as a basketball player/coach.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
That was Donnie's opinion moron. I said it was obvious that HE felt that way not I. Do you even know what reading comprehension is?
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No that is your opinion. Also, you're confusing reading comprehension and interpretation. Reading comprehension involves reading what is on the page (or in this case said). I can comprehend that DT wants his players to be stronger. Reading interpretation is where you take what someone says and interpret it through your own lens. Unless you can read DT's mind, you have no idea what his opinion is of the former strength and conditioning coach. You just take what he says, and interpret it into something that fits your own personal views and bias. Two people should be able to comprehend the same thing from something written, but the same two people may interpret it in different ways. What you are doing is interpreting not comprehending. You are giving your own opinion not anyones else's. Hope this clears things up for you.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
The bench is a pretty terrible measure of strength for guys with long arms and thin frames. They have to push the bar so much farther than short armed guys it's not really fair. Same thing with pull ups. Like I said, if Josh is guarding you and puts his hands on you, I'm going to bet you feel it. I would be more interested in core and leg strength as a basketball player/coach.
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How many short-armed basketball players will we have.....Im sure he has a full well-rounded program for the guys....He just mentioned the bench bc that is what he thought was really weak on our guys. I bet I would too but if I was built like Josh but stronger, I would guess I would win more times than not.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
No that is your opinion. Also, you're confusing reading comprehension and interpretation. Reading comprehension involves reading what is on the page (or in this case said). I can comprehend that DT wants his players to be stronger. Reading interpretation is where you take what someone says and interpret it through your own lens. Unless you can read DT's mind, you have no idea what his opinion is of the former strength and conditioning coach. You just take what he says, and interpret it into something that fits your own personal views and bias. Two people should be able to comprehend the same thing from something written, but the same two people may interpret it in different ways. What you are doing is interpreting not comprehending. You are giving your own opinion not anyones else's. Hope this clears things up for you.
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So me insinuating that CDT was questioning the previous regime's training program means I'm bashing the previous regime? Solid logic.

Also, it's very common for folks to imply or insinuate their feelings on a particular subject without flat out saying it and it's not hard to pick up on that. Maybe you have a problem reading between the lines and picking up on basic communicative signs.

Enough already, I'm through with your dumbass. Your hard-on for Cuonzo makes discussion impossible and you derail threads more than BTO anymore.

FTR, I have no qualms whatsoever with CCM. I think he's a good coach, not a great coach. He's a solid man and great role model for our players. I was indifferent to him staying or leaving. In the end both parties are probably better off and happier. Nothing more, nothing less. So you can drop the whole "you hate Cuonzo" BS because in your words; "unless you can read my mind you have no idea what I think".
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So me insinuating that CDT was questioning the previous regime's training program means I'm bashing the previous regime? Solid logic.

Also, it's very common for folks to imply or insinuate their feelings on a particular subject without flat out saying it and it's not hard to pick up on that. Maybe you have a problem reading between the lines and picking up on basic communicative signs.

Enough already, I'm through with your dumbass. Your hard-on for Cuonzo makes discussion impossible and you derail threads more than BTO anymore.

FTR, I have no qualms whatsoever with CCM. I think he's a good coach, not a great coach. He's a solid man and great role model for our players. I was indifferent to him staying or leaving. In the end both parties are probably better off and happier. Nothing more, nothing less. So you can drop the whole "you hate Cuonzo" BS because in your words; "unless you can read my mind you have no idea what I think".
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I agree, it's fine to take what someone else says and give your opinion on it. What isn't fine is to take what someone else says, give your opinion on it, and then represent that opinion as the original persons opinion. It's called putting words into someone else's mouth. Your opinion is that DT thinks that the former strength and conditioning coach was terrible (summarizing). That's fine, that's your opinion, but it very well may not be DT's opinion at all. My opinion is that you take every opportunity to bash the former coach. I can't read your mind, but it seems to be a trend.

Also, the fact that you can't have a discussion without calling my a dumbass or telling me to GTFO is a little sad.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
I agree, it's fine to take what someone else says and give your opinion on it. What isn't fine is to take what someone else says, give your opinion on it, and then represent that opinion as the original persons opinion. It's called putting words into someone else's mouth. Your opinion is that DT thinks that the former strength and conditioning coach was terrible (summarizing). That's fine, that's your opinion, but it very well may not be DT's opinion at all. My opinion is that you take every opportunity to bash the former coach. I can't read your mind, but it seems to be a trend.

Also, the fact that you can't have a discussion without calling my a dumbass or telling me to GTFO is a little sad.
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Unless you were in the front row of his speaking engagement as I was, you have absolutely no way of knowing what was said and how it was said. Therefore, you really have no business commenting on the matter. And FTR, you're record of defending everything CCM is much more prevalent than my "bashing" of him. I'd love to see the proof of my consistent bashing.
 
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bamacheats said:
Biggest myth in basketball that lifting weights screws up your shot. That conclusion is made by seeing a meat head at the gym awkwardly shooting a basketball and thinking, "He lifts weights. He sucks at basketball. Lifting weights make you suck at basketball."
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Agreed. I fight this misconceived notion everyday as a Hs football coach.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Unless you were in the front of his speaking engagement as I was, you have absolutely no way of knowing what was said and how it was said. Therefore, you really have no business commenting on the matter. And FTR, you're record of defending everything CCM is much more prevalent than my "bashing" of him. I'd love to see the proof of my consistent bashing.
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Fair enough, since I wasn't there, did DT question the former staffs conditioning program, or is that your interpretation of what he said. I don't know DT, but I'm fairly sure he is smart enough not make broad assumptions based on 3 players. I would say your original post is a fair representation of your bashing. Everything you said was reasonable about the lack of strength, but you couldn't help but add in a nice little bash at the end. Again, that's your prerogative, but I don't think it is fair for you to put words in DT mouths. I personally think that DT could care less about the former coach one way or the other, and what he was talking about in no way informed anyone of his opinion on the former regime.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Form has nothing to do with strength,ask George gervin he said recently players shouldn't lift
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1. Yes, strength has nothing to do with form. I agree. That's why getting stronger doesn't hurt you as a shooter.

2. This guy played over 4 decades ago. Why is his opinion relevant? Is he a doctor?
 
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Vol8188 said:
2. This guy played over 4 decades ago. Why is his opinion relevant?
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He is one of the all time greats - certainly one of the greatest shooters of all time. So I would guess most people would agree that his opinion could be slightly more relevant than yours? :crazy:
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. Yes, strength has nothing to do with form. I agree. That's why getting stronger doesn't hurt you as a shooter.

2. This guy played over 4 decades ago. Why is his opinion relevant? Is he a doctor?
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I think there is obviously has to be a balance achieved between strength and bulk. Shooting is a repetitive motion, muscle memory activity. When you start changing size you start messing with mechanics and muscle memory.

I can give you an example of a guys that got too big from other sports.

Football:
Tim Tebow
Brady Quinn

Quarterback is one of the more analogous positions between football and basketball. Throwing a ball is a repetitive, muscle memory activity. Tebow and Quinn both put on too much size, and it negatively effected their ability to throw the football with consistent accuracy. This has been mentioned by several "QB Gurus" regarding these 2 players.

Golf:
David Duval

Golf Swings and shooting form is also similar. Duval thought he needed to bulk up to compete with Tiger, but in doing so, he completely destroyed his swing.

That being said, adding functional strength is not detrimental to repetitive motion tasks. Weight lifting for strength and not size is beneficial for basketball players.
 
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