Team Strength a Concern for CDT

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bowlinggreenvol said:
The point I was making was USM got in without winning the league in 2011-12, when those teams were still in. His first year Memphis was still there and it was a 1 bid league that year as it was last year. Without Memphis, SMU and even UCF to help boost it up it's definitely a one bid league now.
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Right, but Tyndall's no longer there?

My point was simply that the C-USA layout was the same in Tyndall's first year as it was Eustachy's last, when he took USM into the NCAAT without winning the CUSAT.
 
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TGVol said:
Speed is always important. However, you should understand there is a trade-off between speed and physical strength/muscle mass. If people get too big (strong) at some point it decreases their speed. Othwerwise O-Lineman and receivers would have the same strength programs, diets, etc - and I hope you do realize that's not the case. In basketball if people get too big/muscular they can start losing shooting touch (Dwight Howard is a good recent example).
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The "lifting will hurt my jumper" excuse is completely bogus. Lebron is huge, and his shooting is far better than it was only in his career.

And yes, being overly muscle bound can limit mobility. But you and I both know there is a lot of middle ground between steroid size large (which is about the only way to get big enough to limit mobility to that point), and 4 reps at 185.

A lot of Hs freshmen can do 185 4 times.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Right, but Tyndall's no longer there?

My point was simply that the C-USA layout was the same in Tyndall's first year as it was Eustachy's last, when he took USM into the NCAAT without winning the CUSAT.
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Yes it was. And my OP to the poster who asked how they fared in the tourney was to point out that the odds of making the tourney consistently without getting the auto bid is slimmer than in a BCS conference. Eustschy's team got in with an RPI of 26 and the year before UAB got in as an at large with an RPI of 37. Tyndall's teams got left out with RPI's of 27 and 29. It's a crapshoot coming out of CUSA nowadays.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Yes it was. And my OP to the poster who asked how they fared in the tourney was to point out that the odds of making the tourney consistently without getting the auto bid is slimmer than in a BCS conference. Eustschy's team got in with an RPI of 26 and the year before UAB got in as an at large with an RPI of 37. Tyndall's teams got left out with RPI's of 27 and 29. It's a crapshoot coming out of CUSA nowadays.
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RPI is far from the only measuring stick used, especially for mid majors, who you beat and OOC SOS become much more important.

My point simply was it was done the 2 years prior to Tyndall's arrival in the c-USA, so clearly it can be done. Not 100%, but weren't there also 4 less teams taken those years than when Tyndall got to USM?
 
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The point of the original post was not to point out how weak we are or compare this years team to last years team but simply to state a concern that CDT has with THIS team, which includes his own recruits. Obviously getting the player's reps up to the level of his USM teams won't be so extravagant that it hinders our shooting, mobility, form etc since it didn't hurt him there.

I'd imagine CDT has spent his career building his rosters in a similar fashion, size wise, as to what he's done here so far and the "benchmark" for bench press he seems to prefer doesn't affect performance. He realizes if this team is to compete with the frontlines of UK, UF, etc. we need to be stronger, simple as that.

It's interesting how folks point out that it didn't hurt this year making it to the SW16 while discounting that we played 2 mid-majors to reach that level. Two teams who couldn't compete with the strength/size we had last year; size/strength that we won't have this year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
RPI is far from the only measuring stick used, especially for mid majors, who you beat and OOC SOS become much more important.

My point simply was it was done the 2 years prior to Tyndall's arrival in the c-USA, so clearly it can be done. Not 100%, but weren't there also 4 less teams taken those years than when Tyndall got to USM?
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So the king of the RPI is now diminishing it's "effectiveness" as a measuring tool? Does the RPI not take into account SOS? I've not once said it can't be done, I said the chances are slimmer now that the teams I mentioned have moved on. The trend has been CUSA is basically a two bid league at max since UofL, Marquette and Cincy moved on 10 yrs ago. Take Memphis out and the league is a joke.

Yes it's happened before as you pointed out. It also didn't happen with those teams in and didn't happen without them in.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The "lifting will hurt my jumper" excuse is completely bogus. Lebron is huge, and his shooting is far better than it was only in his career.

And yes, being overly muscle bound can limit mobility. But you and I both know there is a lot of middle ground between steroid size large (which is about the only way to get big enough to limit mobility to that point), and 4 reps at 185.

A lot of Hs freshmen can do 185 4 times.
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True. That's not a lot of weight when u think on it. That's only a 45 and 25 on a standard barbell. I can still do 185 4 times and I'm 43. I amend my earlier statement. What the hell was Nic doing over there?
 
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Vol8188 said:
The "lifting will hurt my jumper" excuse is completely bogus. Lebron is huge, and his shooting is far better than it was only in his career.

And yes, being overly muscle bound can limit mobility. But you and I both know there is a lot of middle ground between steroid size large (which is about the only way to get big enough to limit mobility to that point), and 4 reps at 185.

A lot of Hs freshmen can do 185 4 times.
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Honestly, I'd be surprised if 5% of HS freshmen that are 6-6 or taller, and basketball players by trade, can bench 185 lbs 4x. Long arms, a lack or strength training up to that point, and general physical immaturity would make that quite a feat.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Honestly, I'd be surprised if 5% of HS freshmen that are 6-6 or taller, and basketball players by trade, can bench 185 lbs 4x. Long arms, a lack or strength training up to that point, and general physical immaturity would make that quite a feat.
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This^^^

Not the ones I knew anyway.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Your original post I responded to...



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That was in reference to the current state of CUSA. You provided an example of when the conference was more highly thought of. Provide me your next argument, since you're bound and determined to prove something.

You've gotten this thread completely off topic which isn't atypical of you.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Honestly, I'd be surprised if 5% of HS freshmen that are 6-6 or taller, and basketball players by trade, can bench 185 lbs 4x. Long arms, a lack or strength training up to that point, and general physical immaturity would make that quite a feat.
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And basketball players I think is the key word there. Basketball players are notorious for not wanting to work in the weight room due to some unwarranted fears over there jumper.

Last 2 years we've had 3 kids come in to our football program as freshmen benching 225 or more. All 3 are 5'11-6'2. So there aren't exactly short.

Only benching 185x4 in college isn't a result of having long arms. It's simply due to a lack of work.
 
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walkenvol said:
Then you really didn't know either coach. CDD was a total d!ck whereas CCM was a nice guy. Maybe CCM didn't interview well with the media but he clearly wasn't an arse to the folks in the athletic department like CDD was.
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Don't claim to know either one but I'd rather listen to squeaky brakes, babies cryin, English teachers, or forks squeaking across a plate rather than hearing one word from CCM. JMO
 
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Vol8188 said:
The "lifting will hurt my jumper" excuse is completely bogus. Lebron is huge, and his shooting is far better than it was only in his career.

And yes, being overly muscle bound can limit mobility. But you and I both know there is a lot of middle ground between steroid size large (which is about the only way to get big enough to limit mobility to that point), and 4 reps at 185

A lot of Hs freshmen can do 185 4 times.
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Actually lifting does affect your jumper that's why I didn't lift until I lost my explosiveness
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bowlinggreenvol said:
That was in reference to the current state of CUSA. You provided an example of when the conference was more highly thought of. Provide me your next argument, since you're bound and determined to prove something.

You've gotten this thread completely off topic which isn't atypical of you.
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Just throw in the towel and hope you don't ever have a disagreement over a mail route. Not worth it.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The point of the original post was not to point out how weak we are or compare this years team to last years team but simply to state a concern that CDT has with THIS team, which includes his own recruits. Obviously getting the player's reps up to the level of his USM teams won't be so extravagant that it hinders our shooting, mobility, form etc since it didn't hurt him there.

I'd imagine CDT has spent his career building his rosters in a similar fashion, size wise, as to what he's done here so far and the "benchmark" for bench press he seems to prefer doesn't affect performance. He realizes if this team is to compete with the frontlines of UK, UF, etc. we need to be stronger, simple as that.

It's interesting how folks point out that it didn't hurt this year making it to the SW16 while discounting that we played 2 mid-majors to reach that level. Two teams who couldn't compete with the strength/size we had last year; size/strength that we won't have this year.
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Come on man, the point of the original post was to bash the previous coach and strength and conditioning coach. Otherwise you wouldn't have spent so much tim talking about the 3 returning players as opposed to the 7 new players. That being said, I really question the strength and conditioning programs at I.U.P.U.I., F.G.C.U., 2 JuCo's, 2 prep schools, and 1 high school.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Come on man, the point of the original post was to bash the previous coach and strength and conditioning coach. Otherwise you wouldn't have spent so much tim talking about the 3 returning players as opposed to the 7 new players. That being said, I really question the strength and conditioning programs at I.U.P.U.I., F.G.C.U., 2 JuCo's, 2 prep schools, and 1 high school.
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I see you're still here and being as defensive as always, even when it's not warranted. I summarized an answer, to a fans question, that came directly from CDT's mouth, 15' feet from me. Nothing in my OP was of my own accord.

CDT said strength concerns him (ALL players, again I repeat ALL players) and that he was surprised at some of the returning players. My post was pretty simple in nature yet too complicated for your simpleton mind to comprehend apparently, based on the outlandish conclusion you've come to.

Your relentless guard-dog approach to all things Cuonzo is steadily making you one of the most unbearable posters on the board. With that said, it's almost comical how you, unprovokedly, defend an issue that wasn't even an issue.

I hope one day that we'll be oh so lucky and see you GTFO.
 
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Vol8188 said:
How?
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Makes the muscles tighten and form goes wrong the best type is body weight workouts until the offseason the offseason should be workout time,believe me I went from 57%shooter to a 48% after two weeks of weight lifting
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Dallasbowlin said:
Makes the muscles tighten and form goes wrong the best type is body weight workouts until the offseason the offseason should be workout time,believe me I went from 57%shooter to a 48% after two weeks of weight lifting
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Muscles shouldn't tighten that much unless u lift right before u shoot....it shouldn't make any difference.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Muscles shouldn't tighten that much unless u lift right before u shoot....it shouldn't make any difference.
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Agreed. There should also be a stretching program thrown in, which will prevent issues from arising.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Makes the muscles tighten and form goes wrong the best type is body weight workouts until the offseason the offseason should be workout time,believe me I went from 57%shooter to a 48% after two weeks of weight lifting
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Not even physically possible for you to become that much stronger in only two weeks. Unless you're the next Ronnie Coleman.
 
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In all fairness to Nicodemus. stokes and maymon would have helped that average bench number quite a bit.

I'm not very suprised that basketball guards aren't very strong on bench. I don't think you really want them to be since you need them to have a nice smooth shot. Typically the PF/C and PG is where you see the strength numbers and some SF. We don't return much of that. We return a bunch of SG who prob didnt do much power lifting.

Nic wasn't our problem last year. He may have different methods but he had those boys in great condition.
 
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Biggest myth in basketball that lifting weights screws up your shot. That conclusion is made by seeing a meat head at the gym awkwardly shooting a basketball and thinking, "He lifts weights. He sucks at basketball. Lifting weights make you suck at basketball."
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