Team Speed?

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volroadwarrior said:
Whew!!! I just woke up and tired already. A rant in search of a thought. I guess a summary would be to fire Dooley and Chaney, and need a running game and kicker.

Wouldn't it be great to fire the coaching staff and start all over again? Brilliant.:crazy:
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Thanks for the summary....... I just skipped over the original.....:eek:hmy:
 
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LESSARYVOLS05 said:
you need to be able to run the ball period if you cant do both you dont win championships period if you cant stop the run in the trenches you dont win period you can pass all you want a good defense and coaching will put 6 dbs and stop your pass thats where the run comes in you have to be balanced we are not the colts with peyton manning i hate when people think pass pass pass this is the SEC you have to run the BALL yes bray rogers hunter are good but if you cant run the ball you cant run clock and keep the defense guessing if the o-line can run block not zone block i hate channey run game its a zone scheme you need a back with vision we dont have a back with vision or a o-line that can block SEC d-line in a zone scheme sorry channey needs to stay to help bray and recievers we need a new run scheme that compliments our pass game there hasnt been one bcs or sec champ win with the pass pass pass and hope to beat the other team with offense its in the trenches and a back that that can hold the ball wear a defense down and hit the homerun from time to time we have most of the pieces of the puzzle but the main pieces we need to see the picture are missing 1. coaching not a new head coach dolley was left with nothing and making it something takes time need new offense cord that can run the ball and pass 60-40 pass run our recievers are to good to not get the ball we got the running coach defense looks good on the coaching need some bodies on the dline and secondary need to have a 2 deep line that you cant tell who is in the game just busting heads and not getting burnt in the secondary we are close just need the peices tennessee needs a kicking coach or kicker tyhe kid needs coaching sorry but i was a kicker in college and i was a running back the kid needs coaching he has the leg but no technique i could kick better than this kid seriously thats what i have to say about people that is pass pass pass we are not going to win in the sec with pass pass pass we need a running back,dline homerun player and a playmaker on def that wins ball games
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What the....:unsure:
 
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Have you guys forgotten about R Neal? The guy isn't exactly running in quicksand. Daniel Gray is supposed to be legit. He apparently blew by several top tier speedsters in a camp this summer, even having the distance to turn back his head to look at them. Q Watson is another guy that is fast, and of course the Pig. C Patterson is supposed to have faster "game speed", than a simple 40 time. We will be OK, but our DB's need some work.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
He's talking about Croom. Dude needs to go watch Crooms senior tape, and see if he still thinks he is a 4.8. He is at least as fast as Da'Rick.
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Nope. A guy who is significantly smaller than Croom. I read more about some other camps where he ran a 4.5 (which means 4.6).

I am with the guy who talked about track speed in the speed discussions in the sense that 40 times are incredibly unreliable.

I would say that our coaches are not going to recruit a slow guy, but 4.7 or 4.8 in the 40 is not going to get it done in the SEC for WR, CB or S. It is fine for a TE or a LB (not ideal) and it would be burning it up for a QB or OL/DL.
 
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We don't have any "burners" in the truest sense that I'm aware of, and by that I mean measureable hauling-arse guys. (highlight reels and eyeballs can be very deceiving, especially when there's bias involved) For starters I think most people don't understand how rare "those" guys really are; genuine football players that are THAT fast. Fastest time I've found Hunter running the 100m is a 10.99. Hunter is NOT a burner...but does anybody think he's "too slow"? Me neither. Fastest 100m I know of by Howard is an 11.02. Burner? No. Fast enough to be a helluva football player? Yep. Here's some NFL combine times to consider:

AJ Green-4.50
Dexter McCluster-4.58
Mark Ingram-4.62

I'd take any of 'em...you? Think of being a good football player as a sum of attributes. If somebody is fast as hell then that's a great, wonderful attribute. If you're a WR and can't catch or a DB that can't tackle running a 10.3 isn't that big a help. (Kenny O'Neal anyone?) If you're full-up on all the other positive attributes you can skate by with less speed. (Bill Bates) Enough speed can cover some flaws. (Deon Sanders wasn't that great a tackler) If you think about it the vast majority of good football players are "fast enough" and also have the football "skills" that apply to whatever position they play. It's not all that different than strength. There's lots of guys that can bench a bus but aren't particularly good lineman. Sure doesn't hurt though.

I just get a little frustrated when I see guys with "good" speed described in nearly the same class as W Gault or T McDaniel. (just to keep it in the Vol family) THOSE cats were the real deal in speed.
 
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Andrew Wiggin said:
Nope. A guy who is significantly smaller than Croom. I read more about some other camps where he ran a 4.5 (which means 4.6).

I am with the guy who talked about track speed in the speed discussions in the sense that 40 times are incredibly unreliable.

I would say that our coaches are not going to recruit a slow guy, but 4.7 or 4.8 in the 40 is not going to get it done in the SEC for WR, CB or S. It is fine for a TE or a LB (not ideal) and it would be burning it up for a QB or OL/DL.
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40 times are severely overrated.
 
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hndog609 said:
we don't have any "burners" in the truest sense that i'm aware of, and by that i mean measureable hauling-arse guys. (highlight reels and eyeballs can be very deceiving, especially when there's bias involved) for starters i think most people don't understand how rare "those" guys really are; genuine football players that are that fast. Fastest time i've found hunter running the 100m is a 10.99. Hunter is not a burner...but does anybody think he's "too slow"? Me neither. Fastest 100m i know of by howard is an 11.02. Burner? No. Fast enough to be a helluva football player? Yep. Here's some nfl combine times to consider:

Aj green-4.50
dexter mccluster-4.58
mark ingram-4.62
jerry rice - 4.7

i'd take any of 'em...you? Think of being a good football player as a sum of attributes. If somebody is fast as hell then that's a great, wonderful attribute. If you're a wr and can't catch or a db that can't tackle running a 10.3 isn't that big a help. (kenny o'neal anyone?) if you're full-up on all the other positive attributes you can skate by with less speed. (bill bates) enough speed can cover some flaws. (deon sanders wasn't that great a tackler) if you think about it the vast majority of good football players are "fast enough" and also have the football "skills" that apply to whatever position they play. It's not all that different than strength. There's lots of guys that can bench a bus but aren't particularly good lineman. Sure doesn't hurt though.

I just get a little frustrated when i see guys with "good" speed described in nearly the same class as w gault or t mcdaniel. (just to keep it in the vol family) those cats were the real deal in speed.
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atyp :)
 
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salutethehill said:
atyp :)
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Was trying to keep it more recent but yeah. Also, last years NFL rushing champ, our own Arian Foster, layed down a 4.69 and a 4.73 for the coaches on his pro day. (that almost certainly means it would have been slower still at Indy) Would he love to be able to run a 4.3? Absolutely. He's managing to get by just fine it seems anyway. :p
 
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hndog609 said:
Was trying to keep it more recent but yeah. Also, last years NFL rushing champ, our own Arian Foster, layed down a 4.69 and a 4.73 for the coaches on his pro day. (that almost certainly means it would have been slower still at Indy) Would he love to be able to run a 4.3? Absolutely. He's managing to get by just fine it seems anyway. :p
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Everyone knows you can't mention 40 times without throwing down some Rice or Emmit Smith.
 
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Couldn't agree more with the demand for more team speed. I watch a great deal of games nationwide. Seemed like this year, imparticularly, when you turned to any other game, it was at a different speed after watching the Vols. Maybe it was injuries, maybe young players, maybe lack of depth, but it seemed like our games were in slower motion versus the next game. Only exception was Cincy.
RB's were the worst to me. Get the ball, find a hole, and hit it running, not dancing around. Feel like this will improve by adding some new blood and RB coach.
I think Dooley can recruit well in the SEC and nationally, but speed has to be taken into account.
 
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orange_blood said:
There aren't many Bo Jackson's on the planet as of ever! He reportedly clocked a 4.12 40 time, but Bo also had great vision and power. Deion Sanders ran a 4.21 in 89 combine and Donte' Stallworth has been clocked at 4.22. Ahmad Carrol ran a 4.23 if I remember right and Joey Galloway ran a 4.18. Coker's time is 4.28 low and averages 4.38 or 37. Anyways, there are some players with exceptional speed but having vision and being able to change direction is what makes a great back or receiver, not just speed. The difference between a 4.1 and a 4.5 if it were a footrace to the finish line is not a lot of separation. When I think of speed at Tennessee I think of Willie Gault. When I think of someone who knew how to adjust and change direction I think of Donte' Stallworth. Next year I'll be thinking Justin Hunter!
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Stanley Morgan was once timed @ 4.14 by 2 coaches!
 
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i agree with hnddog, white lightning has the fastest 100m on the team but since he cant catch the ball......
 
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What's funny is I was asking for this when I first joined this board. They were crucifying me over the saying we needed to overhaul Lucas Taylor, Josh Briscoe, and the dreaded Austin Rogers. I then said we shouldn't even recruit his brother posters went ballistic. Zach Rogers was supposed to be the monster from midway. He was soooo much better than his brother. Got to be kiddin me. I said Gerald Jones shouldn't be the feature WR but everyone said he's so much better than DMo. Half of the posters on here loved these players and were just drinking the orange kool aid while Florida was scraping our asses with nothing but speed. I was saying we need some speed the other posters were saying little guys don't fit our system. But love little DY don't they. Hahahahahahahaha my have things change.
 
#45
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The Breakerboy said:
He never gets separation on deep routes.
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further verifying the fact that track speed doesnt equal full pad football speed, plus they dont throw the deep ball to z because when he goes deep its basically just to open up the field for darick/rivera....
 
#46
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Control at top speed is something you could write a whole long OP about.

Some people at 100% speed have 65% body control, some have 85% etc.

You often see WRs who do well on underthrown balls at lower skill levels but who struggle to make the catch when they have beaten the guy and are flying to get to it.

Very very rarely do people have almost full control over their body, jumping etc when they are at top speed. Those people if they have great hands and great leaping often end up doing great. Justin Hunter is one of those guys.

It looks to me like Pig has above average body control at speed.

Z Rogers looks to me at top speed like he is not able to adjust, jump etc.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
What's funny is I was asking for this when I first joined this board. They were crucifying me over the saying we needed to overhaul Lucas Taylor, Josh Briscoe, and the dreaded Austin Rogers. I then said we shouldn't even recruit his brother posters went ballistic. Zach Rogers was supposed to be the monster from midway. He was soooo much better than his brother. Got to be kiddin me. I said Gerald Jones shouldn't be the feature WR but everyone said he's so much better than DMo. Half of the posters on here loved these players and were just drinking the orange kool aid while Florida was scraping our asses with nothing but speed. I was saying we need some speed the other posters were saying little guys don't fit our system. But love little DY don't they. Hahahahahahahaha my have things change.
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I never understood why you got killed on the Austin Rogers stuff.
 
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Andrew Wiggin said:
An easy way to think about this is by asking "what would their speed be rated as in a video game?"

I want a Bo Jackson in Tecmo kind of player on the team.
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Fastest Video Game RB of all TIME!!!! Just run 49 Sweep or 48 Sweep = Tecmo Bo Jackson TD RUN from anywhere on the field!!!
 
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jjay2518 said:
I never understood why you got killed on the Austin Rogers stuff.
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Because he bleeds orange and we need to not bash guys on our team that are from the state of Tennessee but can't help us win. Plus he had a good season numbers wise and people wanted to throw that up like he was an impact player. Just like when I called Poole a 1000 yard plug but sjt wanted to debate he was a very good back because of his 1000 yards. He found out why I called him a MAC back before he even took a snap as a starter. I'm wrong maybe 1-2 out of 10 times when it comes to calling a player. The Rogers brothers and Poole were too easy to call. I missed on Waggner but I still don't think he would get PT on a big time D like Bama or LSU. Which is where I feel our program should be.
 
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