Team Rallying Around Incident?

#151
#151
tabrams said:
I was making a joke, had nothing to do with Walker, or anybody on the team except the guys in trouble..... people often become more religious when it's convenient for them.......I'm pretty sure that if Nuke, Edwards, and Jackson were taking religion seriously, then they wouldn't be in this rediculous situation.......

As for you calling me an azz for not having a sense of humor, all I can say to you is this:

:shaking2: :shaking2: :shaking2:

That's one from each one of these Knuckleheads :eek:lol:
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some advise, your jokes always suck, stop telling them...this coming from a knucklehead.
 
#154
#154
VolByBirth said:
So are you saying that if you are Muslim and follow the Quran you aren't moral?
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No that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying anything about Muslims. I'm just saying that it's simply dishonest to say all religions teach sound morality. I'm sure followers of all religions practice sound morality, but that doesn't mean the ideas themselves are moral.

All I'm saying is that Christianity is not the same as Islam, and the Bible has a different standard of morality than the Quran does (though many Muslims act more morally than Christians). Ideas, not people, are the issue. You're sacrificing truth for tolerance; there's no reason we can't have both.
 
#156
#156
jokerama said:
All Muslims are not terrorists..but all terrorists have been Muslim...any thoughts?
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I think the correct way to phrase that is "not all Muslims are terrorists."

Hmmm, all terrorists have been Muslim eh? That has to be the single most ignorant statement I've read on this message board! What about Timothy Mcveigh? What about Ted Kaczynskie? What about Bruce Edwards Ivins?
 
#157
#157
Brave Volunteer said:
I think the correct way to phrase that is "not all Muslims are terrorists."

Hmmm, all terrorists have been Muslim eh? That has to be the single most ignorant statement I've read on this message board! What about Timothy Mcveigh? What about Ted Kaczynskie? What about Bruce Edwards Ivins?
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Don't forget Nancy Pelosi.
 
#158
#158
Brave Volunteer said:
I think the correct way to phrase that is "not all Muslims are terrorists."

Hmmm, all terrorists have been Muslim eh? That has to be the single most ignorant statement I've read on this message board! What about Timothy Mcveigh? What about Ted Kaczynskie? What about Bruce Edwards Ivins?
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Tim McVeigh is the only example needed. BTW, where is he now? oh nvm
 
#159
#159
Football + Religion = Way too many opinions, as we all can clearly see. It's natural for people to turn to God in times of trouble, and He is fine with that, actually desires it. What He has trouble with is this...Why don't we acknowledge him during the good times, the GREAT times? If and when these guys are dismissed from the team we will see if this is just an act, if they get tossed and still give God the glory we will have our answer. I for one stand guilty, when things are good God is left on ther shelf, but when things get bad....Oh Sweet Jesus!
 
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Vol187-911 said:
Football + Religion = Way too many opinions, as we all can clearly see. It's natural for people to turn to God in times of trouble, and He is fine with that, actually desires it. What He has trouble with is this...Why don't we acknowledge him during the good times, the GREAT times? If and when these guys are dismissed from the team we will see if this is just an act, if they get tossed and still give God the glory we will have our answer. I for one stand guilty, when things are good God is left on ther shelf, but when things get bad....Oh Sweet Jesus!
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The next time you converse with the Almighty, could you tell him to provide me with the winning lotto numbers?
 
#161
#161
velovol said:
Call me what you will.
But it never once crossed my mind to pray for them.
When I first heard the story (before the clowns got interviewed) I thought about how terrified the people they held a gunpoint were and I wouldve prayed for them before those 2 bored kids.

If you pray for them youre a lousy gentile.
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:eek:hmy: WOW :eek:hmy:
What is your problem?
Yea, I thought about how scared those people must have been. Then, I saw a video and they said they weren't scared. They said they didn't want to press charges. The real question is why are you still against them? Here is a something that you should think of.

King David was an adulterer and a murderer. The Bible says David was a man after God's own heart....

Acts 13:22b God said, "I have found David … a man after My own heart."
God forgives people when they ask for forgiveness, no matter what they have done.

In God's eyes, sin is equal. He gave his only Son so that when people mess up on Earth, they can get forgiveness. That is why people pray for these kids. They pray for them in hope that God will deliver them out of the mess they have gotten themselves in. They pray that God will open they eyes and change their life. We pray that God will use this situation as an example to help other young men in the future.

Why do people pray for these kids instead of kids in the inner city? Some people do. Even when we don't, this is why. As Tennessee Vols fan, we follow these kids lives. We start to get to know these kids. We develop our own hopes and ambitions for these kids. So, when we see them mess up, it's like we see a friend mess up, or like a kid that we have watched grow up. BTW, there are plenty of people who pray for others who they don't know on the daily basis.

With all that being said, I will pray that God opens your eyes.
 
#162
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Vol187-911 said:
Football + Religion = Way too many opinions, as we all can clearly see. It's natural for people to turn to God in times of trouble, and He is fine with that, actually desires it. What He has trouble with is this...Why don't we acknowledge him during the good times, the GREAT times? If and when these guys are dismissed from the team we will see if this is just an act, if they get tossed and still give God the glory we will have our answer. I for one stand guilty, when things are good God is left on ther shelf, but when things get bad....Oh Sweet Jesus!
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A lot of people do turn to God in times of trouble but alot of people praise God in good times . We usually hear about times of trouble on the news and not times of praise . ...... 1 thing to remember is this ; Religion builds walls of legalism and rules and standards to follow . Religion says climb over this wall to find God . Jesus Dose'nt like religion . Jesus says to follow him and he will lead you through the walls. Jesus is the way the truth and the life , not religion . I'm happy these young men re-committed their lives and I hope they follow Christ through the walls all of their lives .
 
#163
#163
Vol@PennState said:
No that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying anything about Muslims. I'm just saying that it's simply dishonest to say all religions teach sound morality. I'm sure followers of all religions practice sound morality, but that doesn't mean the ideas themselves are moral.

All I'm saying is that Christianity is not the same as Islam, and the Bible has a different standard of morality than the Quran does (though many Muslims act more morally than Christians). Ideas, not people, are the issue. You're sacrificing truth for tolerance; there's no reason we can't have both.
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Anybody ever having taken a 1st year class in philosophy understand religious belief or commitment and morality are two entirely different things and are not necessarily often congruent. Every day you have very religious people (pick any one as an example) commiting extremely immoral acts and the reverse is true as well as you have people not religious at all or of a particular religion performing extremely moral acts.
 
#165
#165
Brave Volunteer said:
I think the correct way to phrase that is "not all Muslims are terrorists."

Hmmm, all terrorists have been Muslim eh? That has to be the single most ignorant statement I've read on this message board! What about Timothy Mcveigh? What about Ted Kaczynskie? What about Bruce Edwards Ivins?
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OK, technically you are correct there have been 2 or 3 non muslim terrorists. However your argument simply proves the point that the vast majority of terrrorists over the past 30 years of radical Muslim resurgence are self proclaimed Muslims from various ethnic backgrounds acting out their violence in the name of Allah.

Take your PC nonsense somewhere else.
 
#166
#166
Remy said:
Anybody ever having taken a 1st year class in philosophy understand religious belief or commitment and morality are two entirely different things and are not necessarily often congruent. Every day you have very religious people (pick any one as an example) commiting extremely immoral acts and the reverse is true as well as you have people not religious at all or of a particular religion performing extremely moral acts.
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Your first mistake was taking a 1st year class in philosophy by a dopey professor who is likely a leftist atheist who likely barely understands the philosophy he's trying to teach.

Most of the worlds miseries are the result of bad philosophies and most 'philosophies' aren't worth the paper they're wasting. They're mostly solipsistic indulgences of so called academics who many are educated beyond their intelligence.
 
#167
#167
iBleed Orange said:
:eek:hmy: WOW :eek:hmy:
What is your problem?
Yea, I thought about how scared those people must have been. Then, I saw a video and they said they weren't scared. They said they didn't want to press charges. The real question is why are you still against them? Here is a something that you should think of.

King David was an adulterer and a murderer. The Bible says David was a man after God's own heart....

Acts 13:22b God said, "I have found David … a man after My own heart."
God forgives people when they ask for forgiveness, no matter what they have done.

In God's eyes, sin is equal. He gave his only Son so that when people mess up on Earth, they can get forgiveness. That is why people pray for these kids. They pray for them in hope that God will deliver them out of the mess they have gotten themselves in. They pray that God will open they eyes and change their life. We pray that God will use this situation as an example to help other young men in the future.

Why do people pray for these kids instead of kids in the inner city? Some people do. Even when we don't, this is why. As Tennessee Vols fan, we follow these kids lives. We start to get to know these kids. We develop our own hopes and ambitions for these kids. So, when we see them mess up, it's like we see a friend mess up, or like a kid that we have watched grow up. BTW, there are plenty of people who pray for others who they don't know on the daily basis.

With all that being said, I will pray that God opens your eyes.
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this.
thanks.
 
#168
#168
I hope they rally and put this incident behind them. They had a good week of practice as indicated by Kiffin. Bodes well.

We stomp Ole Miss starting at noon EST
 
#169
#169
I might get slammed for saying this by a lot of people, but I am going to say it anyways. The only difference that me and you have from Mike, Janzen, and Nukeese is that their sin was uncovered and made it on ESPN. Mine and yours didn't. It is only by the grace of God that I can say this. So to all of you guys slamming them, think about all the things that you do. Myself is included in this.
 
#170
#170
Vol@PennState said:
All I'm saying is that Christianity is not the same as Islam, and the Bible has a different standard of morality than the Quran does (though many Muslims act more morally than Christians). Ideas, not people, are the issue. You're sacrificing truth for tolerance; there's no reason we can't have both.
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Ask the Amalikie babies if the Bible's standard of morality is better than the Quran's.
 
#171
#171
stonvevols12 said:
I might get slammed for saying this by a lot of people, but I am going to say it anyways. The only difference that me and you have from Mike, Janzen, and Nukeese is that their sin was uncovered and made it on ESPN. Mine and yours didn't. It is only by the grace of God that I can say this. So to all of you guys slamming them, think about all the things that you do. Myself is included in this.
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The same could be said for Osama and Hitler and... I have never done anything comparable to armed robbery. If I had, I'd be in jail. It really is that simple. I am not likening what they did to attempted genocide or terrorism, but you can say what you said about anyone. They brought this on themselves.
 
#172
#172
I don't understand the confusion.

Being a christian does not make you perfect and moral. It never has. It makes you strive for morality, and trying every day to live by the Bible, but it does not make you perfect. There was only 1 that was perfect.
 
#173
#173
What I am saying is that God looks at every sin the same, so me and you saying something mean about someone is the same as them performing armed robbery in God's eyes.
 
#174
#174
stonvevols12 said:
What I am saying is that God looks at every sin the same, so me and you saying something mean about someone is the same as them performing armed robbery in God's eyes.
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AMEN brother. None of us without sin. Thank God there is not one sin bigger than the other in his eyes. Let's hope all these posters who have so bashed and name called on this board ask for God to forgive them.
 
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#175
Vol@PennState said:
All I'm saying is that Christianity is not the same as Islam, and the Bible has a different standard of morality than the Quran does (though many Muslims act more morally than Christians). Ideas, not people, are the issue. You're sacrificing truth for tolerance; there's no reason we can't have both.
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Go read Numbers 31 and consider carefully the Bible's standard of morality, and whether it really is that much different than what you see in the Quran.
 
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