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Daevin Hobbs is listed at 6’4 290


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There ain’t no way. I’d be surprised if he was a buck over 270.

All night I watched this guy get completely crushed by vandy’s offensive linemen over and over again. I don’t think I saw a single rushing down he was in for where he held up at the line of scrimmage. Vandy’s offensive line was bigger, meaner and stronger than our defensive line.

And frankly I don’t blame the players when they are in a no win situation due to negligent coaching. Our coaches are supposed to identify, recruit and develop players into sec defensive linemen. Hobbs might put it all together at some point, but at this weight he is absolutely should not see the field in sec play. Why isn’t he hitting his goal weight? Is it strength and conditioning? Is it nutrition? Is it a commitment issue?

And I’m not trying to single out a single player. Frankly its a glaring problem all over the teams. Safeties are underweight. Many of our linebackers are underweight. Virtually every interior defensive lineman is underweight. Many of the offensive linemen are underweight.

I agree that you cannot retain Banks after that performance, but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think that there aren’t deeper issues related to commitment, size and strength on this football team.
 
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chrisvannoy said:
Partly a product of having to be in shape enough to play 45 min a game on defense thanks to the offensive philosophy
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You mean thanks to rarely being able to get a 3 and out? The defense has the ability to send the offense back on to the field, too.

I swear you people act like you just tuned in to this sport..
 
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adam.vol said:
You mean thanks to rarely being able to get a 3 and out? The defense has the ability to send the offense back on to the field, too.

I swear you people act like you just tuned in to this sport..
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Exactly. The offense needs some work too, but Vandy didn’t drive down the field on their first drive because we were tired. It was because the scheme is faulty. Pavia just bailed us out with an awful throw.

They moved the ball at-will the entire game from bad gap assignment, bad RPO discipline, and bad physicality from our defense. All things in our control regardless of offensive pace.

Banks is a one trick pony schematically and hasn’t shown any ability to develop and it’s made it a cakewalk for any opponents with a pulse offensively. Last year’s defense was good statistically but made Beck look like Heisman contender and flat out laid down against OSU in the program’s biggest game since we entered the 2000s.
 
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Seems the priority on defense is speed, not size. I remember when we had a great season under Fulmer and everyone was so impressed by our speedy defenders, then we got stomped by those slower but monstrously huge Nebraska boys. I don't recall Tennessee ever being known for the size of its players; it's always been about speed. That seems to be the Tennessee way, and I'm not sure it's a winning strategy against the Georgias and Bamas of the world.
 
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chrisvannoy said:
Partly a product of having to be in shape enough to play 45 min a game on defense thanks to the offensive philosophy
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Defense can't stop anyone on the first drive of the game, or first drive of the 2nd half, so the argument that the defense sucks because TOP doesn't hold water. Defense could help themselves with TOP if they would stop giving up long drives.
 
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carolinaviking said:
Seems the priority on defense is speed, not size. I remember when we had a great season under Fulmer and everyone was so impressed by our speedy defenders, then we got stomped by those slower but monstrously huge Nebraska boys. I don't recall Tennessee ever being known for the size of its players; it's always been about speed. That seems to be the Tennessee way, and I'm not sure it's a winning strategy against the Georgias and Bamas of the world.
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Our speed sucks too. Vandy had a track meet in Neyland last night…and that’s with our defense on the field
 
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Too small, too weak, too slow, lacking the speed and agility on defense to be competitive against better schemed offenses,

Tennessee plays in the SEC not the AAC or Conference USA, Heupel should be able to look at his paycheck and figure that out
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Texas and Alabama have the ball, on average, 3 more minutes a game on offense than we do. Stupid take.
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Alabama is ranked 12th in TOP at 32 mins
Tennessee is ranked 127th in TOP at 26 mins

1) That’s a 6 minute difference not 3

2) That’s over 100 teams difference between us.

That amounts to more times for other teams to score. And our the thinner defense to have to defend longer.
 
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barney said:
Daevin Hobbs is listed at 6’4 290


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There ain’t no way. I’d be surprised if he was a buck over 270.

All night I watched this guy get completely crushed by vandy’s offensive linemen over and over again. I don’t think I saw a single rushing down he was in for where he held up at the line of scrimmage. Vandy’s offensive line was bigger, meaner and stronger than our defensive line.

And frankly I don’t blame the players when they are in a no win situation due to negligent coaching. Our coaches are supposed to identify, recruit and develop players into sec defensive linemen. Hobbs might put it all together at some point, but at this weight he is absolutely should not see the field in sec play. Why isn’t he hitting his goal weight? Is it strength and conditioning? Is it nutrition? Is it a commitment issue?

And I’m not trying to single out a single player. Frankly its a glaring problem all over the teams. Safeties are underweight. Many of our linebackers are underweight. Virtually every interior defensive lineman is underweight. Many of the offensive linemen are underweight.

I agree that you cannot retain Banks after that performance, but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think that there aren’t deeper issues related to commitment, size and strength on this football team.
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Hate say this. Overall our linebackers are To slow and not athletic enough
 
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chrisvannoy said:
We are an old big 12 /sw conference modeled team playing in the SEC we can't forget that
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I've said that for 5 years and it's pissed some folks off. But it's exactly what it is. Score lots of points and defense be damned. Issue is, what if your offense can't score at will...What happened when Big 12 teams played teams with a defense?!! Classic old Big 12.
 
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barney said:
Daevin Hobbs is listed at 6’4 290


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There ain’t no way. I’d be surprised if he was a buck over 270.

All night I watched this guy get completely crushed by vandy’s offensive linemen over and over again. I don’t think I saw a single rushing down he was in for where he held up at the line of scrimmage. Vandy’s offensive line was bigger, meaner and stronger than our defensive line.

And frankly I don’t blame the players when they are in a no win situation due to negligent coaching. Our coaches are supposed to identify, recruit and develop players into sec defensive linemen. Hobbs might put it all together at some point, but at this weight he is absolutely should not see the field in sec play. Why isn’t he hitting his goal weight? Is it strength and conditioning? Is it nutrition? Is it a commitment issue?

And I’m not trying to single out a single player. Frankly its a glaring problem all over the teams. Safeties are underweight. Many of our linebackers are underweight. Virtually every interior defensive lineman is underweight. Many of the offensive linemen are underweight.

I agree that you cannot retain Banks after that performance, but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think that there aren’t deeper issues related to commitment, size and strength on this football team.
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Could possibly be the age and time spent in a college strength and conditioning program. Vanderbilt is the oldest team in the sec with 23 or so 5th year players. We in turn are the youngest team in the sec. Might help explain the size difference between the two teams yesterday
 
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barney said:
Daevin Hobbs is listed at 6’4 290


View attachment 794018

There ain’t no way. I’d be surprised if he was a buck over 270.

All night I watched this guy get completely crushed by vandy’s offensive linemen over and over again. I don’t think I saw a single rushing down he was in for where he held up at the line of scrimmage. Vandy’s offensive line was bigger, meaner and stronger than our defensive line.

And frankly I don’t blame the players when they are in a no win situation due to negligent coaching. Our coaches are supposed to identify, recruit and develop players into sec defensive linemen. Hobbs might put it all together at some point, but at this weight he is absolutely should not see the field in sec play. Why isn’t he hitting his goal weight? Is it strength and conditioning? Is it nutrition? Is it a commitment issue?

And I’m not trying to single out a single player. Frankly its a glaring problem all over the teams. Safeties are underweight. Many of our linebackers are underweight. Virtually every interior defensive lineman is underweight. Many of the offensive linemen are underweight.

I agree that you cannot retain Banks after that performance, but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think that there aren’t deeper issues related to commitment, size and strength on this football team.
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No the problem is that we play him at DT as a 3 technique (one gap) player without a true Nose Tackle to take up 2 guys.

In addition to losing Pearce, we lost big boys Thomas and Simmons off last year. Then we played half the year with Hobbs and Moi injured with no true NT. Eason wasn’t the answer. We need a ton of help on the DL.
 
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