Tea Party revolt within the GOP

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I'm confused? So this "revolt" in the GOP is going to hurt Romney how? Haha. This is ONE guy. Romney still has plenty of support and people are still going to vote for him regardless of what happens with Akin. These "mouth breathers" (as you put it) still want Obama out and are willing to vote for Romney to get Obama out. It's really that simple!
 
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Jmavols2 said:
I'm confused? So this "revolt" in the GOP is going to hurt Romney how? Haha. This is ONE guy. Romney still has plenty of support and people are still going to vote for him regardless of what happens with Akin. These "mouth breathers" (as you put it) still want Obama out and are willing to vote for Romney to get Obama out. It's really that simple!
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This is about a shift in the GOP that is much bigger than just Romney, or this election cycle. It has flared up before, see e.g. Ross Perot. Even without Paul in the race, there are still those conservatives on this board that don't like institutional GOP politics. Resent it, in fact.

Look at Palin and what she did for McCain. She energized his campaign and sold the ticket, for a time, to the social conservatives. That faded, but only because her platform was subjugated to McCain's. Palin, herself, is still their star.

At the convention, there will still be some rather shrill voices clamoring for a more socially conservative message for the ticket. They won't get it because Romney has made up his mind that his winning strategy is to make it all about the economy.

If Romney loses in November, all it is going to do in my opinion is accelerate the split within the GOP because there will be a chorus of I told you so's from Limbaugh, to Hannity, to Huckabee, to Palin. Even if he wins, all it will do is delay it.
 
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I'm still not sure who is revolting against who in supposed revolt. GOP vs Akin, Akin vs GOP, TP against GOP, TP against Akin, ?????
 
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lawgator1 said:
Akin versus GOP establishment, TP on board with him.
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Link to TP on board with him? As already noted Palin is not on board with him. Doubt Rand Paul is. Not sure about other elected officials from TP. Haven't seen TP orgs calling out the GOP.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Akin is only revolting because he said something completely idiotic and the party abandoned him, as it should have.
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He says he is resisting the party bosses (his words). And he's got a small army of Evangelicals behind him who believe in the magical contraception dam which can be willed into place in cases of actual rape.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He says he is resisting the party bosses (his words). And he's got a small army of Evangelicals behind him who believe in the magical contraception dam which can be willed into place in cases of actual rape.
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of course he's resisting those trying to can him. I haven't seen much evidence of support. I can identify with the anti-abortion folks (didn't say I agree), but the lengths to which they go is just stupid. Get over it, abortion isn't going away. Fight the real atrocity which is late stage abortion.
 
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"On Twitter, he asked supporters, "Will you chip-in $5 to help me fight the party bosses?" And he linked to an image showing a red Missouri and the words, "Let the people decide not party bosses."


Akin operates in "an insular environment," with his wife and son serving as his top advisers, a senior Republican source told CNN. Republican leaders have concluded that Akin "lives in a parallel universe," the source added."
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I haven't seen much evidence of support...
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Christian conservative leaders, and some of Akin's fellow Republicans, came out in his defense.
Conservative Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa, posted a tweet on his congressional website Tuesday saying, "The leftist media, paid in ca$h by George Soros, is dictating the response of leading Republicans. How can the American Dream survive?"
King told KMEG-TV in Iowa on Monday that Akin is "a strong Christian man, with a wonderful family" and said the election should be about Akin's record.
"I'm seeing the same thing, petty personal attacks substituting for strong policy," he said, adding that pregnancies from rape are "really rare," in an interview circulated by the Democratic National Committee.
Tim Wildmon, president of the conservative American Family Association, said in a statement that the controversy had been overblown and should be forgotten, since Akin has apologized.
"Even if he is medically incorrect, still, that is irrelevant to the issues of life that may come before him for a vote should he be elected to the U.S. Senate," he said.
"I'm a little stunned at the piling on against Congressman Akin over what clearly is a simple misuse of the English language," he said.
Tony Perkins, president of Family Research Council Action, said Akin's comments were inappropriate and indefensible, but his group still supports Akin because of his long-term anti-abortion positions.
"I have known Congressman Akin for nearly a decade. My personal experience with Todd along with his record make clear his compassion and commitment for the sanctity of life, the foundation of the family and the well-being of all Americans," Perkins said.


I can identify with the anti-abortion folks (didn't say I agree), but the lengths to which they go is just stupid. Get over it, abortion isn't going away. Fight the real atrocity which is late stage abortion.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He says he is resisting the party bosses (his words). And he's got a small army of Evangelicals behind him who believe in the magical contraception dam which can be willed into place in cases of actual rape.
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Small army? What are using to make the comparison? Am I missing a pole somewhere.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Christian conservative leaders, and some of Akin's fellow Republicans, came out in his defense.
Conservative Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa, posted a tweet on his congressional website Tuesday saying, "The leftist media, paid in ca$h by George Soros, is dictating the response of leading Republicans. How can the American Dream survive?"
King told KMEG-TV in Iowa on Monday that Akin is "a strong Christian man, with a wonderful family" and said the election should be about Akin's record.
"I'm seeing the same thing, petty personal attacks substituting for strong policy," he said, adding that pregnancies from rape are "really rare," in an interview circulated by the Democratic National Committee.
Tim Wildmon, president of the conservative American Family Association, said in a statement that the controversy had been overblown and should be forgotten, since Akin has apologized.
"Even if he is medically incorrect, still, that is irrelevant to the issues of life that may come before him for a vote should he be elected to the U.S. Senate," he said.
"I'm a little stunned at the piling on against Congressman Akin over what clearly is a simple misuse of the English language," he said.
Tony Perkins, president of Family Research Council Action, said Akin's comments were inappropriate and indefensible, but his group still supports Akin because of his long-term anti-abortion positions.
"I have known Congressman Akin for nearly a decade. My personal experience with Todd along with his record make clear his compassion and commitment for the sanctity of life, the foundation of the family and the well-being of all Americans," Perkins said.


I can identify with the anti-abortion folks (didn't say I agree), but the lengths to which they go is just stupid. Get over it, abortion isn't going away. Fight the real atrocity which is late stage abortion.
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BigPapaVol said:
did you seriously link me about 4 anti-abortion loonies?
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I'd agree they are pretty out there, but dismissing them as having no influence or not being representative of the social conservatives in the GOP would be inaccurate.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd agree they are pretty out there, but dismissing them as having no influence or not being representative of the social conservatives in the GOP would be inaccurate.
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trying to paint them as representative would be even less accurate.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
on the sites where the Tea Party is more about silly social issues than about the lone item around which it was founded.
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Let's be real, the Tea Party has been hijacked by radical social conservatives. Had they retrained their cause and support for only fiscal conservatism, the grass-roots movement might not have died out.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
trying to paint them as representative would be even less accurate.
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Those are pretty stalwart organizations of social conservatives.

The American Family Association owns 180 radio stations in 28 states.

The Family Research Council has 455,000 members, not to mention hundreds of thousands, if not millions, that support them. Hannity puts them on his show all the time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Christian conservative leaders, and some of Akin's fellow Republicans, came out in his defense.
Conservative Republican Representative Steve King of Iowa, posted a tweet on his congressional website Tuesday saying, "The leftist media, paid in ca$h by George Soros, is dictating the response of leading Republicans. How can the American Dream survive?"
King told KMEG-TV in Iowa on Monday that Akin is "a strong Christian man, with a wonderful family" and said the election should be about Akin's record.
"I'm seeing the same thing, petty personal attacks substituting for strong policy," he said, adding that pregnancies from rape are "really rare," in an interview circulated by the Democratic National Committee.
Tim Wildmon, president of the conservative American Family Association, said in a statement that the controversy had been overblown and should be forgotten, since Akin has apologized.
"Even if he is medically incorrect, still, that is irrelevant to the issues of life that may come before him for a vote should he be elected to the U.S. Senate," he said.
"I'm a little stunned at the piling on against Congressman Akin over what clearly is a simple misuse of the English language," he said.
Tony Perkins, president of Family Research Council Action, said Akin's comments were inappropriate and indefensible, but his group still supports Akin because of his long-term anti-abortion positions.
"I have known Congressman Akin for nearly a decade. My personal experience with Todd along with his record make clear his compassion and commitment for the sanctity of life, the foundation of the family and the well-being of all Americans," Perkins said.


I can identify with the anti-abortion folks (didn't say I agree), but the lengths to which they go is just stupid. Get over it, abortion isn't going away. Fight the real atrocity which is late stage abortion.
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These are not Tea Party organizations.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Let's be real, the Tea Party has been hijacked by radical social conservatives. Had they retrained their cause and support for only fiscal conservatism, the grass-roots movement might not have died out.
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hijacked? sure there is some infiltration but I'd say the TP is still primarily about fiscal conservatism.

AFA, FRC are NOT Tea Party organizations.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Did not know you were Overlord of what is and is not a Tea Party organization. Didn't know any one is.
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Seriously? If they existed long before the TP they probably aren't TP organizations.

There are plenty of TP orgs that have emerged in the last few years.
 
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Just about every race I have seen, they have backed the candidate who is very socially conservative as well as fiscally conservative. If there are two fiscally conservative candidates, they back the candidate that is more socially conservative.

Additionally, I can't think of an open tea party representative who is not very socially conservative. Maybe you can though.

They also tend to suspend their "fiscal conservatism" (outside of taxes), so long as that measure is Republican backed.
 
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