Tariq Owens

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bleedingTNorange said:
Maybe his game regressed?

Not saying it did, but is that not a possibility?

The most likely scenario is that he was probably ranked mostly on potential initially, and that he didn't end up living up to that.
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His game didn't regress. That's the point. He's a better player now at a 3 than he was when he was ranked a 4 in hs.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
His game didn't regress. That's the point. He's a better player now at a 3 than he was when he was ranked a 4 in hs.
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How do you know that?

And like I said, the most likely reasoning is he was being ranked on potential initially. A 6'8" long and athletic kid who showed good upside but a bit raw, just like Makinde London was ranked pretty highly.

If when the final rankings come up the player hasn't lived up to that ranking he will get dropped and no longer ranked solely on his potential.

I think Owens will be good, in time, but we beat out UT-Martin and Temple for his services.
 
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some of the guys doing the ratings have no idea wtf they are talking about and rankings are often based on hype from hs players, handlers and coaches, especially when you get outside of the top elite group.
If I had to bet on it, I'd bet his rating dropping had zero to do with anything in regards to how he played on the court
 
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Spartacavolus said:
some of the guys doing the ratings have no idea wtf they are talking about and rankings are often based on hype from hs players, handlers and coaches, especially when you get outside of the top elite group.
If I had to bet on it, I'd bet his rating dropping had zero to do with anything in regards to how he played on the court
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Did his final list of schools also have zero to go with anything in regards to how he played on the court?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Did his final list of schools also have zero to go with anything in regards to how he played on the court?
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Of course they didn't, which has nothing to do with him getting a rating from people that moved on to other classes to miscalculate. I can tell you are chomping for an argument but am not biting.
Rating systems are a joke outside of the top players. If you want to protect them, its your choice. I'm just telling you that I don't think he is a worse player now than when he was rated from a cubicle by a dillweed as a sr that put him in a category and gave him a number, but couldn't tell you much about his game.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Of course they didn't, which has nothing to do with him getting a rating from people that moved on to other classes to miscalculate. I can tell you are chomping for an argument but am not biting.
Rating systems are a joke outside of the top players. If you want to protect them, its your choice. I'm just telling you that I don't think he is a worse player now than when he was rated from a cubicle by a dillweed as a sr that put him in a category and gave him a number, but couldn't tell you much about his game.
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I don't think he's any worse either, my call has been that maybe he just shouldn't have ever been a 4* to start with. His offer list never resembled that of a 4* top 100 player IMO.

It was also only 1 service that thought so highly of him, no other service had him as a 4* or even top 150 iirc. So maybe Scout happened to catch a real good weekend from him, or owed his AAU coach a favor or something.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Maybe his game regressed?

Not saying it did, but is that not a possibility?

The most likely scenario is that he was probably ranked mostly on potential initially, and that he didn't end up living up to that.
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look at when Tariq Owens was getting rated like one person stated it was on upside and potential at 6'8". He is 6'10.5" now bigger and better. I've actually seen him and a lot of the top kids in the Baltimore Md area play. He did not regress at all he is actually a lot better now then he was when he was rated 4*. His ranking fell because he actually finished high school and he did not play on the AAU circuit his prep year nor did he do any camps to stay in the loop. According to his AAU coaches Owens went underground skills training and working on his body getting ready to contribute his freshman year on the big stage.Out of all the kids in this area Tariq Owens may have the biggest upside out of them all. He is a late bloomer and really has a high ceiling.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't think he's any worse either, my call has been that maybe he just shouldn't have ever been a 4* to start with. His offer list never resembled that of a 4* top 100 player IMO.

It was also only 1 service that thought so highly of him, no other service had him as a 4* or even top 150 iirc. So maybe Scout happened to catch a real good weekend from him, or owed his AAU coach a favor or something.
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I have to disagree with you on that one as far as list of schools. He had ACC, A10, Big East, The new big east can not remember the name. MAC, Mountain West SEC. So Miami, NC State, VCU, UNLV, Marquette, Temple, Villanova, UCONN, Tennessee, Seton Hall, Ohio, Georgetown, are not 4* and top 100 caliber programs??? rivals had him ranked also Tariq was right outside the top 100 with them. Overall I think Owens is gonna be a heck of a ball player. I will be surprised if he doesn't reach his potential. I think Maryland, DC area is producing some good talent several high major talents coming out 2014 class.
 
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Qnative said:
I have to disagree with you on that one as far as list of schools. He had ACC, A10, Big East, The new big east can not remember the name. MAC, Mountain West SEC. So Miami, NC State, VCU, UNLV, Marquette, Temple, Villanova, UCONN, Tennessee, Seton Hall, Ohio, Georgetown, are not 4* and top 100 caliber programs??? rivals had him ranked also Tariq was right outside the top 100 with them. Overall I think Owens is gonna be a heck of a ball player. I will be surprised if he doesn't reach his potential. I think Maryland, DC area is producing some good talent several high major talents coming out 2014 class.
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Had this same argument with BTO before. He apparently "forgets" the other offers Owens had when trying to make his points.
 
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One potential note of concern I had ....and it may be just me, but I did notice that CDT mentioned that he just had to take one test before coming to UT. I didn't see any follow up questions from reporters to that point he made, yet I have to wonder what test is that he is talking about? Hope it wasn't the ACT/SAT... Yikes....
 
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I thought most of you realized the difference between committable and non-commitable offers. His final list of choices was Tennessee, Dayton, Seton Hall, UT-Martin and Temple...let's not make this more complicated that it is.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Had this same argument with BTO before. He apparently "forgets" the other offers Owens had when trying to make his points.
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Most people who follow college athletics understand that not all offers are 1. Committable or 2. Accurate. If you don't that fine, there's actually a thread that really goes into detail on it if you're interested in it.
 
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Qnative said:
I have to disagree with you on that one as far as list of schools. He had ACC, A10, Big East, The new big east can not remember the name. MAC, Mountain West SEC. So Miami, NC State, VCU, UNLV, Marquette, Temple, Villanova, UCONN, Tennessee, Seton Hall, Ohio, Georgetown, are not 4* and top 100 caliber programs??? rivals had him ranked also Tariq was right outside the top 100 with them. Overall I think Owens is gonna be a heck of a ball player. I will be surprised if he doesn't reach his potential. I think Maryland, DC area is producing some good talent several high major talents coming out 2014 class.
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Villanova, UCONN and Georgetown?

Would love to see where you got that those schools offered because not a single outlet ever reported that.

TIA
 
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Funny to see when posters go on the hunt for their argument fix. And usually over nothing.
Fact is he is a better player now, than when he was higher rated, and there is really no debate.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Funny to see when posters go on the hunt for their argument fix. And usually over nothing.
Fact is he is a better player now, than when he was higher rated, and there is really no debate.
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Not sure anyone is saying there is, but maybe he was over ranked to start with, you haven't seemed to touch that one?

Like I said, he was ranked that high by 1 out of 4 services, the other 3 all felt he was a 3* and more around the 175 range.

So while he is a better player, maybe scout realized they over ranked him to start, is that not possible? Like I also said, you want the opinion of people who know basketball, look at his offer list compared to the other guys that were 4* top 100.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not sure anyone is saying there use, but maybe he was over ranked to start with, you haven't seemed to touch that one?

Like I said, he was ranked that high by 1 out of 4 services, the other 3 all felt he was a 3* and more around the 175 range.

So while he is a better player, maybe scout realized they over ranked him to start, is that not possible? Like I also said, you want the opinion of people who know basketball, look at his offer list compared to the other guys that were 4* top 100.
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I agree with BTO on this one......guys fluctuate alot in rankings before settling in at the end. Alot of times the earlier they are ranked where scouts feel they will be when they get older. He is a 3* player with a high ceiling.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Know who else was 6'9" with a pretty similar offer list and ranking?

AJ Davis
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AJ Davis would have been a really good get in Zo's first yr. I love CDT's first class bc it is full of athletic guys with potential. I will not be as happy if his first class looks like his third.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Most people who follow college athletics understand that not all offers are 1. Committable or 2. Accurate. If you don't that fine, there's actually a thread that really goes into detail on it if you're interested in it.
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He was offered by Miami, coming off their sweet 16, ACC championship season. He was offered by Marquette, VCU, Florida State and Washington too. At least you finally dropped the "Maryland didn't even offer" spiel you were going with a few weeks ago.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
He was offered by Miami, coming off their sweet 16, ACC championship season. He was offered by Marquette, VCU, Florida State and Washington too. At least you finally dropped the "Maryland didn't even offer" spiel you were going with a few weeks ago.
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VCU is a mid major, Florida state and Washington? Really?

Quite the impressive offer list, who you gonna list next, Butler?

His true offer list wasn't that of a 4* top 100 player, don't believe me, I will gladly show you an offer list from a similar ranked player.

And Maryland didn't offer, so really not sure of your point? Was your point that they must've thought higher of their 3* non-top 100 SF/PF from PA than their hometown 4* top 100 player?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
VCU is a mid major, Florida state and Washington? Really?

Quite the impressive offer list, who you gonna list next, Butler?

His true offer list wasn't that of a 4* top 100 player, don't believe me, I will gladly show you an offer list from a similar ranked player.

And Maryland didn't offer, so really not sure of your point? Was your point that they must've thought higher of their 3* non-top 100 SF/PF from PA than their hometown 4* top 100 player?
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I live in the Maryland baltimore area. I know for a fact that Maryland and Georgetown were recruiting him. Maryland did not offer him but was recruiting him they knew it was no chance he was coming there. Dwayne Morgan top 20 recruit signed to UNLV from the same AAU program as Owens.Maryland knew they couldn't get both Owens and Morgan, and had a need more for Morgan,position a hybrid 3 that may play the 2. Owens is and will be a bonified stretch 4 that play some 5. 6'10.5" he has to get bigger a straight post player is not his game. I think UT and CDT understands that and likes his skill set that's why he was recruited.
 
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