Taking 35

#51
#51
EZE said:
Any possibility that some of our legacies (Bates, Kelly, Berrys) have parents/family who pay for their freshman year thereby causing them not to count against any limits? Wade Houston did this for Allan while he was at UT.
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Doubt it. Plus, they would have to pay for 2 years not to count towards a class.
 
#52
#52
RockyTop1384 said:
You are correct. EEs can sign after dec 1 and still be back counted. The issue this yr is that the new FAA rules allow for signings prior to the traditional signing period. SEC rules dont legislate signings prior to dec 1
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I'm now of the belief we could legally sign 38. Don't think we will have that much attrition though. 34 or 35 seems like the number to me.
 
#53
#53
By my count 37 w/ 13 EE.
25 signing, 7 of those EE for 2014.
6 EE back counting with FAA submitted for 2013.
2 Blue shirt legacies, going on Legacy Scholarship till Aug 2014, then signing FAA for athletic scholarship for 2015. ( does not count as signed players for 2015)
1 GS, EE for 2015. ( does count against the 25 sign limit for 2015)
1 preferred walkon - already got
1 walkon - already got
That is 36, and we may be able to count another legacy as a blue shirt.
That would bump it to 37, plus any other walk ons, or GS.
I know I cheated adding in walk on players... lol.
Without the walk ons 34 or 35 depending on the other legacy status.
37 looks better than 34 or 35 though...
GBO
 
#54
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RockyTop1384 said:
Gray shirts do sign but their enrollment (i.e. Scholarship) is what gets delayed
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GS count to the sign limit of the next years class I believe.
They are deferring, signing a FAA dated for the next year, and EE to the next year.
Its like a post dated check. Can not cash it till the date, but still counts as the date on the document. It guarantees them a scholarship.
 
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Here is my sketchy math. We had 8 EEs sign financial agreements prior to Dec. 1. As long as they do not sign a NLI, they will not count against the 25 year limit, per an article that was just posted (on mobile so it's difficult to link.) 5 more EEs can be back counted to last years class, per OCI's 2014 commitment thread. We still get the 25 SEC signings per year. 8 + 5 + 25 = 38.
 
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Dust10 said:
Not sure this is accurate. This is the first year of the financial aid agreements and schools have been back counting for a few years now. (Uga back counted a ton last year)
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The FAA rule was suposed to make everything simpler, by reducing back counting.
No more back counting to the limit of the class before.
You have to get the FAA signed in the calendar year of that class for them to back count.
In other words now, for them to be able to back count, they have to have a signed, dated, witnessed, and noterized FAA dated before Dec 1, 21, or 31 ( not sure on if they mean fiscal calendar, actual calander )
Allowing Aug FAA, provides the loophole to still be able to back count within the new rules.
 
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VolenteerSpirit said:
The FAA rule was suposed to make everything simpler, by reducing back counting.
No more back counting to the limit of the class before.
You have to get the FAA signed in the calendar year of that class for them to back count.
In other words now, for them to be able to back count, they have to have a signed, dated, witnessed, and noterized FAA dated before Dec 1, 21, or 31 ( not sure on if they mean fiscal calendar, actual calander )
Allowing Aug FAA, provides the loophole to still be able to back count within the new rules.
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I've decided to stop thinking about it and just enjoy this massive class Butch is putting together.
 
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Dust10 said:
I've decided to stop thinking about it and just enjoy this massive class Butch is putting together.
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Indeed, my head is hurting. Good call.
Im pretty sure time travel rules apply to cruitin.
We do not want to cause any butterfly effects.
 
#63
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Dust10 said:
I'm now of the belief we could legally sign 38. Don't think we will have that much attrition though. 34 or 35 seems like the number to me.
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Right. Per EW it seems as though if we had 8 sign FAA prior to dec 1 (not sure if that # is correct) then we can still sign 25 between dec 1 and may 31 + back count 5.
 
#64
#64
VolenteerSpirit said:
GS count to the sign limit of the next years class I believe.
They are deferring, signing a FAA dated for the next year, and EE to the next year.
Its like a post dated check. Can not cash it till the date, but still counts as the date on the document. It guarantees them a scholarship.
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According to EW's article, my interpretation is that if a player signs a NLI this Feb, their signing counts against the 25 signee limit for the 12/1/13 - 5/31/14 legislated signing period. The decision that is delayed is the enrollment & scholarship issuance.

So, Butch & Co. could knowingly sign more players than what they'll have scholarships for, but will have until August to decide which ones will GS. This could be useful for guys like Paulk to see how his injury progresses or to see who progresses the most / least in summer S&C.
 
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Dust10 said:
Here is my sketchy math. We had 8 EEs sign financial agreements prior to Dec. 1. As long as they do not sign a NLI, they will not count against the 25 year limit, per an article that was just posted (on mobile so it's difficult to link.) 5 more EEs can be back counted to last years class, per OCI's 2014 commitment thread. We still get the 25 SEC signings per year. 8 + 5 + 25 = 38.
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I would agree w/ this based on Evan's article. We are on the same page. We are certainly no experts though! I bet Butch has a staff member or 2 dedicated to this!
 
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#66
Let's just get all the EEs in first, see where we stand, and then redo the math in January to see what the options will be
 
#69
#69
I have no clue how many we will end up with. I am sure Butch does and that's all that matters.
 
#71
#71
"UT can count back at least five scholarships against 2013 because that year’s class was under the 25-man limit. So that’s now 10 that wouldn’t count against the SEC signing limit."

How does Woodberry get from five to 10?
 
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VolsDeep said:
"UT can count back at least five scholarships against 2013 because that year’s class was under the 25-man limit. So that’s now 10 that wouldn’t count against the SEC signing limit."

How does Woodberry get from five to 10?
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5 EE backcounts plus 5 EE who sign financial agreements, but don't sign an LOI I presume. He's going off Butch's "If we can sign 35, we will." statement.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Take 40 and thin them out the night before, tell a few to look elsewhere I mean maybe give them a week or so warning we got to do what it takes to get back to the top, if we have to tell a couple to look elsewhere that's just the way it is at the top, now if you have been near the bottom the 7 or 8 years you didn't have to worry about it, most of the time we had the top 2 or 3 bolt on us so we do the bolting this time.:)
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