Taking 35

#26
#26
Well the loophole is that the early enrollees aren't considered signees. In other words they aren't signing National Letters of Intent they are enrolling and signing financial aid agreements before Dec. 1. And yes they are going on scholarship but they aren't signing NLI's. You still have to meet all the 85-25 criteria and counters but I understand the loophole now. And btw Tennessee needs or needed to overhaul the entire roster in case anyone didn't know that. Go Vols!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#27
#27
Honeslty, if it was that easy Saban or someone else would have tried this already. Have 25 players sign LOI but have 100 players show up on campus during the Summer. Give the best 85 scholarships and send the rest packing. Wouldn't endear you with future recruits, but you have a helluva 1 year recruiting cycle.
 
#28
#28
tomq_123 said:
Honeslty, if it was that easy Saban or someone else would have tried this already. Have 25 players sign LOI but have 100 players show up on campus during the Summer. Give the best 85 scholarships and send the rest packing. Wouldn't endear you with future recruits, but you have a helluva 1 year recruiting cycle.
Click to expand...

Doesn't sound very easy. You have to load up in EEs and find quality EEs at that.
 
#29
#29
orangeblood79 said:
I don't care what anyone says, this has #1 class in the nation written all over it.
Click to expand...

Other than Bama, we are the #1 class right now.:p

In all seriousness, there's no passing Bama unless we were to land 2 more 5* or something.
 
Last edited:
#30
#30
burntorangeVOLffle said:
Doesn't sound very easy. You have to load up in EEs and find quality EEs at that.
Click to expand...

Yes thats right and not only that all the early enrollees are included in the 85 on schollie for spring semester. And you can still only place 25 on scholarship in any one year. You just move the problem out until May or June or possibly the next December. Bottom line only 25 on scholarship in any one year and only 25 signees in any 1 year. But you can enroll 100 new football players if you like, walk-ons or whatever!!
 
#31
#31
Whether we end up ranked #2 or #10 we got a killer class and a ton of talented recruits coming in.
 
#32
#32
rocky200663 said:
Well the loophole is that the early enrollees aren't considered signees. In other words they aren't signing National Letters of Intent they are enrolling and signing financial aid agreements before Dec. 1. And yes they are going on scholarship but they aren't signing NLI's. You still have to meet all the 85-25 criteria and counters but I understand the loophole now. And btw Tennessee needs or needed to overhaul the entire roster in case anyone didn't know that. Go Vols!
Click to expand...

Right. EEs are signees but any EE who signed a FAA prior to dec 1 avoids being counted against the sec imposed 25 signee limit because that rule only legislates the number of signees allowed between dec 1 - may 31 of each year. The potential for this loophole to be exploited is created by the new ncaa rule allowing FAAs to be signed as early as aug 1.

Now, EEs will be scholarships (different than signee) when they enroll in Jan, so we can only scholarship to the extent we remain at a max of 85 scholarships.

Non-EEs will sign in Feb, but dont go on scholarship til aug. So, say after EEs we have 15 scholarships available for the 2014 season, we could sign 20 under the expectation some wont qualify or other roster attrition will occur over the summer. For ex, say 2 of the 20 signees dont qualify and we lose 1 from current roster, then we are oversigned by 2. But, then we can grayshirt, etc to avoid penalty. In other words, the grayshirt decision can be made in fall. Doesnt have to be made when they sign.
 
#33
#33
rocky200663 said:
Yes thats right and not only that all the early enrollees are included in the 85 on schollie for spring semester. And you can still only place 25 on scholarship in any one year. You just move the problem out until May or June or possibly the next December. Bottom line only 25 on scholarship in any one year and only 25 signees in any 1 year. But you can enroll 100 new football players if you like, walk-ons or whatever!!
Click to expand...

There is NO 25 / year scholarship limit. Only signee limit. They are not the same. Only scholarship limit is 85. The reason we are bumping up against EE limit is because EEs go on scholly in January while only some of our graduating class graduates in dec (rest in may).
 
#34
#34
orangeblood79 said:
I don't care what anyone says, this has #1 class in the nation written all over it.
Click to expand...

#1 class is highly unlikely. Alabama has a substantial lead and other teams, see LSU, will most likely pass us in the end.

Somewhere between #3 and #6 is probably more likely.

Our highly rated Jucos unfortunately do not receive any bonus points.
 
#35
#35
Any possibility that some of our legacies (Bates, Kelly, Berrys) have parents/family who pay for their freshman year thereby causing them not to count against any limits? Wade Houston did this for Allan while he was at UT.
 
#36
#36
EZE said:
Any possibility that some of our legacies (Bates, Kelly, Berrys) have parents/family who pay for their freshman year thereby causing them not to count against any limits? Wade Houston did this for Allan while he was at UT.
Click to expand...

No.
 
#38
#38
EZE said:
Any possibility that some of our legacies (Bates, Kelly, Berrys) have parents/family who pay for their freshman year thereby causing them not to count against any limits? Wade Houston did this for Allan while he was at UT.
Click to expand...

Don't head coaching offspring get free tuition anyway?...as part of the compensation?
 
#39
#39
This may help some to understand.

EE have to sign FAAs before Dec 1st, or they cannot be back counted for 2013.
EE that sign after Dec 1st will still be EE, but count to 2014. (They can still enroll for spring, and be in practice)

Recruits that sign LOI after Feb count as normal for 2014.

"Blue shirt" do not sign, they enroll for spring classes. They can be given a scholarship before May 31st, and count to 2014, or after May 31st and can be counted to 2015.
***note blue shirt players can be on other non athletic scholarship during that time... I.e. the legacy scholarship, or academic, as long as it is not athletic scholarship. This allowance is why the player cannot have been "recruited" and my not have taken an OV on the school's dime.

GS, also do not sign. They automatically count to 2015, as they sign FAA. They can enroll anytime after Dec 1st 2014, and be an EE for 2015.

Preferred Walk on, these are very similer to GS, but are not garanteed a scholarship, but almost always get one. In some rare cases can qualify for partial non athletic scholarship.

Walk on, these pay their way. In some rare cases can qualify for partial non athletic scholarship. If they ball like a grown man, they can earn a scholarship.

The partial scholarship must be a state, or national accredited Financial Assistance Scholarship. There are very strict rules for these, and almost any player that has a scholarship offer from any school would be rejected. I think Yale, and Harvard are the only school I can recall ever being able to field a football player that was on a non athletic scholarship.

I hope this helps, and is accurate to the best of my knowledge.
I am not 100% on the date cut off times, but the rest is as close as it gets while trying to put the rules in easy to understand language..
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#40
#40
KnoxVillain said:
I'm not even worried. The coaches know what they are doing. I hope we have 40 commits.
Click to expand...

Take 40 and thin them out the night before, tell a few to look elsewhere I mean maybe give them a week or so warning we got to do what it takes to get back to the top, if we have to tell a couple to look elsewhere that's just the way it is at the top, now if you have been near the bottom the 7 or 8 years you didn't have to worry about it, most of the time we had the top 2 or 3 bolt on us so we do the bolting this time.:)
 
#43
#43
InVOLuntary said:
Even at 35 your talking about turning over 41% of the roster. Simply amazing.
Click to expand...

I'd prefer to turn over approximately 98.3% of the roster.... guess 41% will have to do.

In a seriousness, 41% in 1 year is amazing... and much needed.
 
#44
#44
VolenteerSpirit said:
This may help some to understand.

EE have to sign FAAs before Dec 1st, or they cannot be back counted for 2013.
EE that sign after Dec 1st will still be EE, but count to 2014. (They can still enroll for spring, and be in practice)
..
Click to expand...

Not sure this is accurate. This is the first year of the financial aid agreements and schools have been back counting for a few years now. (Uga back counted a ton last year)
 
#46
#46
VolenteerSpirit said:
This may help some to understand.

EE have to sign FAAs before Dec 1st, or they cannot be back counted for 2013.
EE that sign after Dec 1st will still be EE, but count to 2014. (They can still enroll for spring, and be in practice)

Recruits that sign LOI after Feb count as normal for 2014.

"Blue shirt" do not sign, they enroll for spring classes. They can be given a scholarship before May 31st, and count to 2014, or after May 31st and can be counted to 2015.
***note blue shirt players can be on other non athletic scholarship during that time... I.e. the legacy scholarship, or academic, as long as it is not athletic scholarship. This allowance is why the player cannot have been "recruited" and my not have taken an OV on the school's dime.

GS, also do not sign. They automatically count to 2015, as they sign FAA. They can enroll anytime after Dec 1st 2014, and be an EE for 2015.

Preferred Walk on, these are very similer to GS, but are not garanteed a scholarship, but almost always get one. In some rare cases can qualify for partial non athletic scholarship.

Walk on, these pay their way. In some rare cases can qualify for partial non athletic scholarship. If they ball like a grown man, they can earn a scholarship.

The partial scholarship must be a state, or national accredited Financial Assistance Scholarship. There are very strict rules for these, and almost any player that has a scholarship offer from any school would be rejected. I think Yale, and Harvard are the only school I can recall ever being able to field a football player that was on a non athletic scholarship.

I hope this helps, and is accurate to the best of my knowledge.
I am not 100% on the date cut off times, but the rest is as close as it gets while trying to put the rules in easy to understand language..
Click to expand...

Gray shirts do sign but their enrollment (i.e. Scholarship) is what gets delayed
 
#49
#49
Dust10 said:
Not sure this is accurate. This is the first year of the financial aid agreements and schools have been back counting for a few years now. (Uga back counted a ton last year)
Click to expand...

You are correct. EEs can sign after dec 1 and still be back counted. The issue this yr is that the new FAA rules allow for signings prior to the traditional signing period. SEC rules dont legislate signings prior to dec 1
 
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top