Takes on Joe Milton after his first career start last year against Minnesota

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give_him 6 said:
I went back and watched every single offensive play on the Tennessee vs Bowling Green - every play in 23 minutes thread. It wasn't quite as bad as I recall from Thursday. I think that I was just expecting a better performance after hearing how good he looked in fall camp.

There were 3 runs where I think he just gave up too soon or didn't make the cut upfield. The run for the touchdown was a great play with him using his free arm to push the defender's helmet down and ran into the endzone. Would like for him to showcase some speed and strength. He had some good plays and bad plays. 4 or 5 obvious plays where the receivers did not help him out. However, there were 4 or 5 plays where he had no touch on his throws resulting in bad overthrows. I sure how that they can get that corrected.
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I watched the Josh Heupel show and on a couple occasions where Joe scrambled (not RPO) was because there was miscommunication, which likely means the WR ran the wrong route
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't think CJH is worried about his choice, honestly. I doubt Bailey is a topic of conversation at this point. I'm sure he's there and learning but he likely knows he's QB3 and why...... he's not remotely Josh Heupel's kind of QB.

Hooker, however, might prove to be the "decider" Milton isn't and win QB1, but (purely opinion.... not fact based) I feel Milton is kind of in a "prove you're worthy to play on Sunday" situation. Were I in Milton's shoes, I'd work 24/7 to improve on my performance against BG.

It's literally the difference between at least holding a clipboard on Sunday in America vs Canada. It's freakish cold in Canada.
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What I’m trying to figure out is what exactly is CJH “Type” of QB.
From Lock at UM to Milton at UCF to the other at UCF (?name) only Milton ran more than 5-6 times a game.
What they seem to have in common is a pretty good ability to complete a pass and a TD/Int ratio of 4/1.
Not sure why the Joe is Bailey isn’t thinking because Joe is no dual threat, and Hooker, don’t think he is remotely what CJH has had in the past.
 
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GVol1966 said:
What I’m trying to figure out is what exactly is CJH “Type” of QB.
From Lock at UM to Milton at UCF to the other at UCF (?name) only Milton ran more than 5-6 times a game.
What they seem to have in common is a pretty good ability to complete a pass and a TD/Int ratio of 4/1.
Not sure why the Joe is Bailey isn’t thinking because Joe is no dual threat, and Hooker, don’t think he is remotely what CJH has had in the past.
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Sure. Lock "got it" with Heupel and could "dink and dunk" with the best of them but also take off for the first down, if needed.

Heupel, himself, preferred to throw but picked up yardage when it was there. He could also throw decent passes on the roll.

Mc Milton is a dissecting kind of throwing QB. His nads in running a designed QB run after his injury are black hole heavy. Period. He was a mobile passer.

Gabriel at UCF is a tremendous mobile passer.

Bailey is a pocket passer, a GOOD pocket passer, but he's slightly more mobile than me.... and I need a new hip within a coupla years.

Bailey is Brady-esque, which is fine, but not in a tempo offense. It's not a slight on Bailey, he was recruited by a coach who ran his kind of offense...... and that coach left. Bailey is a fish outta water in a tempo offense.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
I watched the Josh Heupel show and on a couple occasions where Joe scrambled (not RPO) was because there was miscommunication, which likely means the WR ran the wrong route
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That is seriously messed up. If the QB knows WRs run wrong routes, he would reasonably hesitate to throw until after he knows he isn't throwing to empty space that a defender could step into and take the ball.
 
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What they were saying about the Missouri offense/Drew Lock after game one of the Huepel time there.

1. Missouri’s offense is still a weakness: West Virginia hasn’t been noted for its defensive efforts in its time in the Big 12, and yet Mizzou could only get roughly 280 total yards through the air and on the ground. Drew Lock was just 23-for-51 on pass attempts with a yards per attempt of 5.5, and had just one passing touchdown on the day. The Tigers running backs were bottled up with no Tiger rusher eclipsing more than 70 rushing yards and while J’Mon Moore and Chris Black had themselves a day at receiver, they were still held relatively in check. This was a dismal effort to say the least that was padded in garbage time for Missouri and not one that will inspire many.
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  • Couldn’t Sustain Long Offensive Drives
The Missouri Tigers had a game plan to force the tempo in the fast direction. Unfortunately, the plan failed. The offense went fast that’s for sure but the unit didn’t come up with enough points. A few key drops from wide receivers didn’t help either.
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This game was hard to watch from a Missouri Tigers fan point of view. The game seemed entertaining at first but became a horror show before halftime occurred.

The lack of offense, defense and special teams added up to a beat down to the hands of a team that replaced Missouri in the Big 12. The former SEC East Champions of 2014 seem long gone. Maybe I’m too mad due to last years epic failure of a season. Of course, one game doesn’t make a season.
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Huepel didn't bench Lock then, and he didn't when Lock went 4-18 for 39 yards vs Florida. He started the next week. If he believes Milton is the guy for the future, look for him to keep playing him. Unlike both prior coaching staffs who played JG come hell or high water, Huepel has a much better record with QBs in recent times.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
I watched the Josh Heupel show and on a couple occasions where Joe scrambled (not RPO) was because there was miscommunication, which likely means the WR ran the wrong route
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Milton looks tentative running for his size. There's no other way to put it.

I recall Cam absolutely destroying some random kid at the goal line in college. He just took the kid's soul and ran him over because.... 6'5" 245lbs.

Milton, at the same size, was running like "I ain't got a guaranteed contract to do this yet, so hell no I'm not separating my shoulder on this fool" and that's a good way not to ever see a field on Sunday.

Heupel needs to correct that thinking. Milton is a big man and needs to run like a big man. If you slap the sign that says you'll give your all, dammit.... 6'5" 245lbs.... make someone tell their grandkids that they lowered their head and got obliterated.

Roll up and save your career when some 305lb 1st round NFL pick Bama defensive lineman is about to take your throwing arm home to his Mom as a souvenir. I get it.

Bowling Green, though. Make some random small college guy regret his life choices.
 
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If he had gone 15-22, with 225 yards, a touchdown, and 52 years rushing against BG, I might be excited too!
 
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That was not totally Milton's fault. His receivers have to help him out. Milton needs to develop some touch and make those balls more catchable. He has a rocket arm.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Milton looks tentative running for his size. There's no other way to put it.

I recall Cam absolutely destroying some random kid at the goal line in college. He just took the kid's soul and ran him over because.... 6'5" 245lbs.

Milton, at the same size, was running like "I ain't got a guaranteed contract to do this yet, so hell no I'm not separating my shoulder on this fool" and that's a good way not to ever see a field on Sunday.

Heupel needs to correct that thinking. Milton is a big man and needs to run like a big man. If you slap the sign that says you'll give your all, dammit.... 6'5" 245lbs.... make someone tell their grandkids that they lowered their head and got obliterated.

Roll up and save your career when some 305lb 1st round NFL pick Bama defensive lineman is about to take your throwing arm home to his Mom as a souvenir. I get it.

Bowling Green, though. Make some random small college guy regret his life choices.
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I agree. He stopped forward progress when he was about to be hit except on the 2 TD runs
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
If I had to take a guess of why most people are Concerned it’s because they’re expecting/hoping to see us do what Ole Miss has done on this first drive. We look schematically just like Ole Miss. We’ll get there.
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Matt Corral,or I think that’s his name, has been really good at qb for ole miss. If we can get that kind of qb play we’ll excel
 
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Freak said:
The point is more about giving the guy more than one game, on a team where he wasn’t even here for spring, before people doom him to eternal clipboard holder.
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Freak I differ with your opinion and I don't want the kid to hold a clipboard or calling in signals from the sideline but it's better than having all day to throw the ball and go what 1-12 second half? I've heard the dropping 8 that BG was doing but he still had receivers open and he missed them. I know he ran for 44 yards but was indeceive at doing it, until he called his number in the red zone. This kid may well be the answer but he has 4 areas that will help his game....and out of the four areas he can correct 2 the other two he can't.

!.) Touch- with teaching he can correct his release trajectory but that goes with muscle memory and repetitions. The more they work with him on this only takes away from Hooker and Bailey.
2.) Finesse-you can't teach this. Peyton, Casey, Eric, T for the most part had it but the others did. Finesse is something you just have. Can't correct
3. )Indecisiveness-That can't be changed because that's how he sees the field. Call it what you will but an inability to see the field and find the open man is a major fault on him. Can't correct.
4.) Flat Feet- Correctable but a road block because that's his throwing style.

On another note he doesn't read the defense well...... at all. His second touchdown where he scored, the play should have and the read should have gone to the back, but he was selfish and called his own number. The back would have WALKED in untouched but he choose to get his stats. He should have been concerned with that in the second half and hitting open receivers.

I hope he progresses but I'm not sold this splendid young man is the answer. As far as giving him time? How many losses do we pile up with the way we have seen him play against a team we should have ran out the stadium? The SEC play will eat him alive. I hope I'm wrong but I don't feel I am. Sorry so long!
 
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I think it is way too early for all this. Milton has not even had time to settle in. This is coming from a guy who was hoping for Harrison Bailey. But, when the coach named Milton the starter, he had my full backing. The season is long. We may see all three. I will say it has been a long time since we had this much potential in the QB room.
 
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GVol1966 said:
Milton stats last year at Mich. 56% comp 4tds 4 int.
Completion % starting with game 1 through game 6. 68, 62, 52, 47, 41, 33 but only 3or 4 att. So got worse each game .
To be fair, a hand injury.

2020 – FRESHMAN. Bailey

Played in six games and started the final three games of the year in debut season ... Threw for at least one touchdown in each of his final three games ... Completed 48-of-68 passes for 578 yards, four touchdowns and two interceptions … Completion percentage of 70.6 was tops on the team … Started the season finale vs. No. 5 Texas A&M (12/19), completing all six of his pass attempts for 85 yards and a touchdown ... Started his second straight game and set career highs in completions (14), passing yards (207) and passing touchdowns (two) in first career win at Vanderbilt (12/12) ... Made his first career start in loss to No. 6 Florida (12/5) ... Completed 14-of-21 passes for 111 yards and threw his first career touchdown pass against the Gators ... Played the final two drives at No. 23 Auburn (11/21), leading the Vols down the field for a touchdown on his first drive and finishing the game 7-of-10 for 86 yards ... Played the final two drives at Arkansas (11/7), completing 6-of-9 passes for 65 yards with two interceptions ... Made collegiate debut vs. Kentucky (10/17), seeing action for one drive in the fourth quarter ... Completed one pass for 24 yards against the Wildcats.
To be fair 3 or 4 we’re just a drive or to in the game, starts we’re against top 10 or 20 SEC schools.
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I love Bailey as much as the next Vol fan, but didn’t he complete like 17 straight dump offs in one game? That’s gotta inflate the percentages a little.😜
GBO!!
 
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Freak said:
We're all in the same boat, tired of starting over. These guys aren’t going to be world beaters, but maybe they'll be fun to watch and surprise us along the way.
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CJH knows there is more potential in Milton for the long term from seeing past games and practices and seems to want to build this offense around that skill set. Let CJH coach him up and give Milton time to get comfortable. People have no patience these days. Hes only going to get better.
 
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brockytop said:
What does this have to do with his performance Thursday night? Milton needs to get it together or we’ll need another one of the QBs step up so this team can reach its potential.
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Yall need to start talking about the defense. The mistakes on offense were really easy to correct and chemistry will build. The defense isnt talented or deep enough to compete with the high powered offenses we will see later.
 
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.....we won the game correct ?! We're 1-0 ?! Was that not the result everyone was looking for ?!
 
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For at least the first game, JM did not live up to all the pregame hype....
Passing accuracy is usually more important than passing strength....
When JM runs the ball, run the damn ball with some authority and get the first down when you have the chance......
Receivers have to catch the ball, no matter who is throwing the ball.

This next game will tell us a lot about what kind of team we have this season...
 
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TitanicVolz said:
Just goes to show you can't take much from week one honestly..Yea I'm def in wait and see mode,but that's why it's called "wait and see".This Pitt D will give us all we want,so id love nothing more than this offense to shine and continue to grow their confidence.If Milton falters,then I believe Hooker is capable of handling things.
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Pitt has a good defense that swarms the ball well. However, I watched their game and saw that they really liked to bring extra help on blitzes. Rarely were they able to get pressure with just the DLine. I hope CJH saw this as well and is spending this week working on hot reads and installing routes to exploit the holes in the defense left by blitzing defenders. If our Oline can hold up to this aggressive style defense then there will be plays to be made. Just have to accurately identify where the blitz is coming from.
 
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RockyTop140 said:
Matt Corral,or I think that’s his name, has been really good at qb for ole miss. If we can get that kind of qb play we’ll excel
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Well it would have to be Hooker, cause Milton or Bailey are not in the same league when it comes to running as Corral
 
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VolDaddy61 said:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.....we won the game correct ?! We're 1-0 ?! Was that not the result everyone was looking for ?!
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It was. But like every year that I can remember, there were areas that were less than impressive.
Some of us like to discuss and debate where and why , while others think we should take the, it was a win so all is well in Volunteer county.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
I love Bailey as much as the next Vol fan, but didn’t he complete like 17 straight dump offs in one game? That’s gotta inflate the percentages a little.😜
GBO!!
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Sure, it’s hard to really gauge how he did, half the time he was coming in to not turn it over and run the clock out, or against Arky where we were running out of time and he tried to force it and make something happen.
And when he got a shot to start it was against much better team’s so short dump offs may be about all there was.
So who knows
 
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