Take a deep breath... We are fine!

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butchna said:
College basketball doesn't require three years to rebuild! Or two for pete's sake...just got finished arguing with my nephew on this! And I thought I hadn't watched enough basketball these last three years :yuck:
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It depends on what one considers "rebuilding." Kentucky is a program that can do it in a year with the right coach. The problem with basketball recruiting is that you are basically behind a full year at a new job because the early signing period is in November for 2015.

We have some good talent on the roster but need to fill it up. If fans are believing that we should be competing for NCAA seeding by year 2, then I hope they aren't disappointed. I wouldn't put it past Tyndall, but that is alot to expect.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It depends on what one considers "rebuilding." Kentucky is a program that can do it in a year with the right coach. The problem with basketball recruiting is that you are basically behind a full year at a new job because the early signing period is in November for 2015.

We have some good talent on the roster but need to fill it up. If fans are believing that we should be competing for NCAA seeding by year 2, then I hope they aren't disappointed. I wouldn't put it past Tyndall, but that is alot to expect.
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Not "expecting" immediate success




Or failure :good!:
 
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Out of all the recruits the ones we need the most were Cofer and Austin.... Losing Austin hurts us, mainly because of lack of depth at the position. Looks like Thompson will get a lot of minutes. Thurman is an undersized post player at 6'7" 250 and he would struggle with length the same way Maymon did after the knee injury. Thurman would struggle in the pressing match up zone like Donnie Knoxville is gonna play.... Cofer will excel in it. So will Moore even though he is a tweener. Reese might be the break out player next year in this system.... long athletic, runs the court well. We will be undersized, but a good coach can work with that.

If Hubbs develops and Richardson plays like he did at the end of the year, we will be alright.
 
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And the notion that basketball takes 3 years to rebuild a program is ridiculous... Having said that, if he puts a good product on the floor I think CDT gets 5 years no problem.
 
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Haha. I think it is likely that at least 2 out of the 3 that are leaving have been nudged in that direction. Some current players on the team may also "decide" to leave.

I agree with OP.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Yet you're tripping over yourself to "get into Memphis"?
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Nah not me pal....I've stated for YEARS we need to be very selective about how much time and effort we spend in Memphis.....first off....there will be on a given year two and a great year three that I would be willing to offer scholarships to in Memphis....risky deal at best...just is....we have actually done ok with the Mid south kids we've gotten...as long as we don't go to far back....but I agree with you....we need to spend the bulk of our time recruiting Georgia, N. Carolina, etc....not Memphis but only on occasion.....We've made our hay year in and out with those type of kids....
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
The biggest thing we need next year is realistic expectations. Cuonzo was a good teacher, but he didn't leave the cupboard very well stocked. (This is arguably one reason why he may have bolted.) To lose some of his recruits is not that surprising, as his style of play is different from Tyndall's.

I like what I've seen from Tyndall thus far, but we also have to be realistic that it's probably going to take 3-4 years to right the ship. If we make the NCAA tourney in the

next couple of years, we're exceeding expectations.
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"3-4 years" this has become the UT athletic dept. Motto!! I hope this is the end of the coaching carosel (sp) for all sports. I'm hoping we get some stability at this great University and get back to being one of the top athletic programs in the country
 
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Wilson27 said:
I wouldn't think basketball would take 3 or 4 years to right the ship. One good recruiting call can have you in business.
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You guys are delusional.

It's unlikely that he's going to sign a top class this year since he's taking over in April. If he signs one next year, then that's Year 2 at the earliest.

Most top coaches take at least two years to do a turnaround job. Often, it's more like 3-4 years. Rick Pitino got Louisville into the NCAAs in Year 2. Billy Donovan got Florida into the NCAAs in Year 3. Coach K got Duke into the NCAAs in Year 4. Calipari took till year 3 at Memphis and Year 4 at UMass.

It's unrealistic to expect immediate success given the depleted cupboard. Tyndall is not John Calipari and he's not going to sign 4 5-star one-and-dones in the next month. If Tyndall makes the NCAAs in Year #1 or Year #2, he's exceeding expectations in my book.

I like Tyndall's philosophy and he has a good resume, but VolNation is pretty bad at having completely unrealistic expectations.
 
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I searched out video of the game where Coach Tyndall beat Louisville. That team showed no fear and they fought like a Cuban welterweight. I'm not worried at all. They ran the floor and pressed relentlessly. This man knows how to build a team.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
You guys are delusional.

It's unlikely that he's going to sign a top class this year since he's taking over in April. If he signs one next year, then that's Year 2 at the earliest.

Most top coaches take at least two years to do a turnaround job. Often, it's more like 3-4 years. Rick Pitino got Louisville into the NCAAs in Year 2. Billy Donovan got Florida into the NCAAs in Year 3. Coach K got Duke into the NCAAs in Year 4. Calipari took till year 3 at Memphis and Year 4 at UMass.

It's unrealistic to expect immediate success given the depleted cupboard. Tyndall is not John Calipari and he's not going to sign 4 5-star one-and-dones in the next month. If Tyndall makes the NCAAs in Year #1 or Year #2, he's exceeding expectations in my book.

I like Tyndall's philosophy and he has a good resume, but VolNation is pretty bad at having completely unrealistic expectations.
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This. End of discussion IMO. I am truly SHOCKED at the glass half empty posters. GBO!
 
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Witch Doctor pretty sure we losing someone from the team..CDT said "everyone that decides to return, returns(sic) on 104.5 kind GUESSING he threw that out for a reason(?) I trust the guy is going to give it all he has and he does have some personality..He wants to be here..Go Vawls. lol
Bones never lie.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
You guys are delusional.

It's unlikely that he's going to sign a top class this year since he's taking over in April. If he signs one next year, then that's Year 2 at the earliest.

Most top coaches take at least two years to do a turnaround job. Often, it's more like 3-4 years. Rick Pitino got Louisville into the NCAAs in Year 2. Billy Donovan got Florida into the NCAAs in Year 3. Coach K got Duke into the NCAAs in Year 4. Calipari took till year 3 at Memphis and Year 4 at UMass.

It's unrealistic to expect immediate success given the depleted cupboard. Tyndall is not John Calipari and he's not going to sign 4 5-star one-and-dones in the next month. If Tyndall makes the NCAAs in Year #1 or Year #2, he's exceeding expectations in my book.

I like Tyndall's philosophy and he has a good resume, but VolNation is pretty bad at having completely unrealistic expectations.
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Delusional or not, we've actually had some recent 'instant' success. Some guy named Pearl took over a sub-.500 team and turned them into a NCAAT 2-seed in all of 12 months.

Spoiled us rotten, he did. Maybe you heard.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Seems like a good place to post this...

I've obviously been very critical of today's events, don't like the fact that you're parting with at least 2 players(likely more) when you've got open scholarships already. I also think there's players on the current roster who are a lot less talented, and don't his Tyndall's system much more so than some of the signees. With that said...

If Tyndall has a plan up his sleeve to poach 2 guys from USM (that he swore he wouldn't do), land Octavius Ellis, Justin Martin, Matt Carlino and Devonta Pollard....then I will take my hat off to him and never doubt him again. He would've transformed the roster from a 16-20 win team, to a 22+ win talent roster and allow zero dropoff.

My issue is that I highly doubt that's what's gonna happen, I'm more inclined to think were gonna fill 4-6 scholarships with JUCO guys like Dwight Miller, Pops Ndiaye, Dmontre Edwards etc. that we all criticize Martin for taking and hurting the roster with. He's had the job for around 48 hours, to think that he has some top notch plan up his sleeve to field a NCAAT is far fetched IMO, but hey I'll hope for it.
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he did not swear off USM commits - he said he would work with USM to try to get the players to stick with their commitment. But he did not say he would not take them if they decided to pass on USM.
 
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You can't lose what you never had.Let's see how all this shakes out.Coach Tyndall may very well be looking past next season and year two or three could be fantastic.I don't think you forfeit the season by any means but keeping scholarships open till next years crop become available could be a wise move.Go Vols and HTTR!!
 
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Witch_Doctor said:
Witch Doctor pretty sure we losing someone from the team..CDT said "everyone that decides to return, returns(sic) on 104.5 kind GUESSING he threw that out for a reason(?) I trust the guy is going to give it all he has and he does have some personality..He wants to be here..Go Vawls. lol
Bones never lie.
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witchie witchie washie women washing her/his clothes...

bones never lie


CDT got them bones.....
 
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