Table all 9/11 Conspiracy Discussions

Do you want 9/11 discussions tabled?

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therealUT

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This is a simple vote to table all threads concerning any gov't conspiracy involving the 9/11 attacks. I hope the mods will take the results of this poll and if there is a 2/3 majority voting to table the discussion until conclusive evidence is brought forth in which the gov't is proven to have been conspirators in the attacks.
 
#2
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I voted no - just to allow for free expression here. In the finest Libertarian tradition, I would suggest anyone can self-regulate whether or not they read or participate in such threads.

In the interest of democracy however, I would certainly respect the wishes of the majority here.

Finally in the tradition of protecting minority rights, I would support such a ban if the presence of such threads would be particularly and personally insulting to some members of the VN.

(How's that for a strong MAYBE :) )
 
#3
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You make some fine points. I am just exhausted by some of the wacko ideas that are put forth purely spurred by irrational hatred for Bush.
 
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therealUT said:
You make some fine points. I am just exhausted by some of the wacko ideas that are put forth purely spurred by irrational hatred for Bush.
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You nailed it. It's not the conspiracy theories themselves . . . it's that the underlying reasoning for them is so blatantly obvious in many cases.
 
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GAVol said:
You nailed it. It's not the conspiracy theories themselves . . . it's that the underlying reasoning for them is so blatantly obvious in many cases.
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I have my moments of brilliance...be it few and far between.:)
 
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I voted yes. 9-11 deniers are about as small minded as Holocaust deniers. I'm not against stifling anybody's free speech, but only the government can truly censor somebody. If this board chooses to restrict this topic, then it should be allowed to without being criticized as restricting someone's 1st Amendment Rights.
 
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GAVol said:
You nailed it. It's not the conspiracy theories themselves . . . it's that the underlying reasoning for them is so blatantly obvious in many cases.
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My belief in notions I have previously put forth regarding 9/11 and the war in Iraq are not inspired by a hatred for George W Bush or anyone in his administration. To the contrary, my complete distaste for the Bush administration is inspired by my beliefs about 9/11 and his foreign policy - in other words, the policy came first, not the dislike. As I have stated, I supported the war in Iraq, for example, in the beginning. It's because of all I have observed since then that I now feel the way I do.

As far as tabling discussion of 9/11, I feel this is precisely the kind of mentality that has helped suppress much of the truth about that day - not enough people want to talk about it, dig into it, and satisfy themselves that we know the whole truth.

IMO, the very suggestion by a member here of tabling a certain line of discussion simply because he/she finds it distasteful or does not want to see it - is arrogant, full of the spirit of censorship and very frustrating.

From what I have seen and observed of our mods here to this point, I have confidence that they would not consider tabling a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion because a certain few do not like it, regardless of the results of your little poll. I hope I am right.

To sum up, I have a suggestion to help resolve this that I think makes pretty good sense: if you don't like it, don't read it! :yes:
 
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GAVol said:
You nailed it. It's not the conspiracy theories themselves . . . it's that the underlying reasoning for them is so blatantly obvious in many cases.
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Well if they are blatantly obvious, then what is the problem? :bad:
 
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GAVol said:
You nailed it. It's not the conspiracy theories themselves . . . it's that the underlying reasoning for them is so blatantly obvious in many cases.
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Which also raises the point that you are arguing that we suppress certain ideas not because of the ideas, but because of the people expressing them :censored:
 
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#11
And you are confusing government censorship with the freedom of any private organization to censor what their members say and what they do not say.
 
#12
#12
No and I dont know where you got that idea execpt from yourself, but the real question is who are you to start a poll to silence other members under the guise of a poll? Did I miss the part where you run this board?
 
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cibai said:
No and I dont know where you got that idea execpt from yourself, but the real question is who are you to start a poll to silence other members under the guise of a poll? Did I miss the part where you run this board?
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Funny you bring this up. You do understand that the poll is public and that the only Mod that has voted in the poll, voted for tabling 9/11 conspiracy discussions...
 
#15
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cibai said:
Which also raises the point that you are arguing that we suppress certain ideas not because of the ideas, but because of the people expressing them :censored:
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We're not suppressing ideas here . . . just considering whether something is worthwhile.

Believe it or not, some people are extremely offended by this nutjob line of reasoning in the face of 3,000 deaths.
 
#18
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And some people are extrememly offended by judging ideas and arguments by the people who carry them. There is a word for that, ad hominem, which is what this thread aims to be. If the arguments themselves carry no weight then that will be beared out by any rational reader reading them, and thus why do we need others judging for us what are good and bad arguments? There is plenty of nutjob reasoning about the iraq war with 100 times that many deaths, and a large portion of it coming from right wing conservatives. Should we also rule out all war threads? There is a disclaimer in this section that appeals to rational thought rather than opining and ad hominem attacks, all I see in this poll is the exact opposite a thread started to ban any rational discussion of an issue based on the people who make those arguments. If the argument is bad any rational person will be able to deduce that.
 
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And I also don't see how your "warning" at the beginning of the poll pertains to an unbiased result. It is clearly a loaded statement.
 
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GAVol said:
We're not suppressing ideas here . . . just considering whether something is worthwhile.
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GAVol, please consider what you're saying here...

"worthwhile" to whom? when you say you are "just considering whether something is worthwhile" - it sounds very much like you mean worthwhile, in this case, to yourself as one in a position to table the discussion if you choose. This would be the very definition of suppression & censorship - selectively holding down the voice or beliefs of others because they do not match yours.

Believe it or not, some people are extremely offended by this nutjob line of reasoning in the face of 3,000 deaths.
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and believe it or not, some people have not forgotten it is a citizen's responsibility to question his/her government and to demand the truth. IMO, one mistake you are making is assuming that the 9/11 truth movement is limited to "nutjob" nobodies...like myself, perhaps :)P ). It's not. Far from it.
 
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All Vol! said:
and believe it or not, some people have not forgotten it is a citizen's responsibility to question his/her government and to demand the truth. IMO, one mistake you are making is assuming that the 9/11 truth movement is limited to "nutjob" nobodies...like myself, perhaps :)P ). It's not. Far from it.
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Thanks for your brave work. The rest of us are dumb, lazy slobs who slavenly follow the government no matter what they say. If not for those like you that are so pure of heart and clear of mind, we would be lost.

It appears that most of us are either 1) part of the conspiracy - truly ruthless, evil people (thousands must fit this category for a conspiracy of this magnitude), 2) selfishly concerned with self-preservation; too scared to dig for the real answers (the media fits this category), or 3) dumb/lazy people who don't want to know the "truth".

Thankfully, we have the brave minority who will show us the light and save us from ourselves.
 
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