T. Poole

#51
#51
raynochonspeed said:
Hardesty was, in fact, saddled with the 'injury-prone' label earlier in his career, but he seemed to possess tackle-breaking abilities from the start.

YouTube - Montario Hardesty TD against Cal, 2006

Ball security was his other issue, at least until this year.
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this was my first game as a student...what a way to begin a freshman year..and such a great run..we all thought the play was dead
 
#53
#53
orangebloodgmc said:
Bryce Brown, I wish you well ... but right behind you, Poole is gonna be ready.
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by not giving the kid more PT, but the coach was determined to play HIS freshman, starting with the highly touted Brown. Brown was OK, but certainly didn't grab my attention the way, say, Chuck Webb did when he was a frosh, or cobb either. Not saying Brown won't be good--just saying Poole should have been on the field more.
 
#54
#54
Okay Poole is staying great. I still think Oku plays ahead of him next year. I also think Oku plays more of a Bush role for us next year.
 
#55
#55
We threw to him in the Vandy game. I'd like to see a lot more of that. Maybe put him in the slot, and get him the ball in space.
 
#56
#56
raynochonspeed said:
Hardesty was, in fact, saddled with the 'injury-prone' label earlier in his career, but he seemed to possess tackle-breaking abilities from the start.

YouTube - Montario Hardesty TD against Cal, 2006

Ball security was his other issue, at least until this year.[/QUOTE]


Tackle-breaking and a never-quit attitude I remember. Hard luck with injuries I remember.

But ball security issues for this guy I don't remember at all. Clearly that was not the case this year.
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orangebloodgmc said:
raynochonspeed said:
Hardesty was, in fact, saddled with the 'injury-prone' label earlier in his career, but he seemed to possess tackle-breaking abilities from the start.

YouTube - Montario Hardesty TD against Cal, 2006

Ball security was his other issue, at least until this year.[/QUOTE]


Tackle-breaking and a never-quit attitude I remember. Hard luck with injuries I remember.

But ball security issues for this guy I don't remember at all. Clearly that was not the case this year.
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Certainly not this year.

But in the past 2 years, whenever Hardesty would be healthy enough to sneak a few carries away from Arian Foster, he would have an ill-timed fumble or dropped pass. And with Foster's penchant for the ill-timed fumble, the last thing Fulmer needed in his back-up was more of the same.

But Hardesty was phenomenal with handling the ball this year and even showed decent hands on passes out of the backfield.
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#60
can someone tell me why this guy should be playing over brown or oku next year. he has done nothing so far but had some big runs vs are 2nd and 3rd team defense which got lit up by memphis... im not saying he cant be good b/c i like his running style but if he was better then brown or oku he would of played... kiffin played the best players on the field. i do not see why everyone is saying he is better then brown most of you will be surprised how good he is
 
#61
#61
vol4life14 said:
can someone tell me why this guy should be playing over brown or oku next year. he has done nothing so far but had some big runs vs are 2nd and 3rd team defense which got lit up by memphis... im not saying he cant be good b/c i like his running style but if he was better then brown or oku he would of played... kiffin played the best players on the field. i do not see why everyone is saying he is better then brown most of you will be surprised how good he is
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I don't think the folks are saying Poole is better than Brown -- clearly Brown is special -- but that we would look forward to seeing Poole get more opportunities to show what he can do, and that we are happy to hear that Poole may be staying around to show what he can do.
 
#63
#63
You could make the case that Poole has shown just about as much as Brown and Oku in the backfield...aka nothing special but solid.
 
#64
#64
Midfielder10 said:
You could make the case that Poole has shown just about as much as Brown and Oku in the backfield...aka nothing special but solid.
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+ I think he should at least get a shot. He has always been talked of as impressive in practice, he has just been buried on the depth chart. Would love to see him get some reps next year. BBrown, Poole, Oku, T Williams... use em all and see who busts loose.
 
#65
#65
vol4life14 said:
can someone tell me why this guy should be playing over brown or oku next year. he has done nothing so far but had some big runs vs are 2nd and 3rd team defense which got lit up by memphis... im not saying he cant be good b/c i like his running style but if he was better then brown or oku he would of played... kiffin played the best players on the field. i do not see why everyone is saying he is better then brown most of you will be surprised how good he is
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Maybe it is the people love the underdog logic. I don't really understand. I mean if he is the best he will play but he has an uphill battle.
 
#66
#66
The guy was tearing it up in the scrimmages and practices even if it was against the 2nd and 3rd team Defense.. How much better can he play? he deserves a chance to move up and show what he's got and I never saw him get that chance. Hopefully he will next year, and if he does, I think he can be very solid back
 
#67
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BleedinOrange98 said:
The guy was tearing it up in the scrimmages and practices even if it was against the 2nd and 3rd team Defense.. How much better can he play? he deserves a chance to move up and show what he's got and I never saw him get that chance. Hopefully he will next year, and if he does, I think he can be very solid back
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See this is the type of thinking that I think is going on here. A lot of our fans are still settling for solid. Brown and Oku have the potential to be true impact players. Defensive Coordinators will gameplan around Brown and Oku. Poole is just another back to me. I personally think T. Williams will pass him on the depth chat. But I guess we'll see what happens in the spring.
 
#68
#68
Midfielder10 said:
You could make the case that Poole has shown just about as much as Brown and Oku in the backfield...aka nothing special but solid.
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Not really. Bryce Brown had 101 carries for 476 yards. 10 catches for 137 yards. Poole had seven carries and 1 catch. You can't compare them at all. Brown played injured against a tough SEC schedule and showed to most people that he will be a very good back. Oku averaged 26 yards on 30 KR and showed break away ability. Poole ran well in the spring and against W. Kentucky. Once again you show your football knowledge or lack there of.
 
#69
#69
Smart move on his part. He will get at least 25-30% of the back touches next year in my opinion... One injury from being the featured back... GBO
 
#70
#70
raynochonspeed said:
Exactly my point. Nagging. He had hip problems in high school, from what I hear. Furthermore, on this board, whenever anyone has dogged Bryce's play this year, someone else will invariably bring up that he has been hurt this year. All year.



I needn't research what I saw in every game this year. Bryce Brown underwhelmed. In my eyes. You may think differently. And who knows what Kiffin thinks. I'm sure he thinks Bryce is the bee's knees.

And if research were a pre-requisite for commenting on this board, approximately 16 people would be actively involved.
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1. You are correct in the statement that he has been hurt, but not all year. The hip flares up from time to time, but he's been dealing with it for a while. He has to decide to have surgery or not, but if he does, he will have a stiffer hip and be related to Jeff Luc.

2. Bryce never had a chance to be "the guy" this year. Hardesty is a beast and got the majority of the carries. It was never going to be a true 2-3 back system this year. Bryce did fine and will do fine in the future. I think your looking at more of his HS rating coming into the season, instead of the fact that the rating means nothing once he hits campus. If he's still only getting 500 yards a season come his junior year, then you can yell "underwhelmed".

3. He breaks plenty of tackles and always falls forward. If he doesn't break 4 tackles on one play, doesn't mean that 1 or 2 isn't acceptable.
 
#71
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Lockdown1 said:
See this is the type of thinking that I think is going on here. A lot of our fans are still settling for solid. Brown and Oku have the potential to be true impact players. Defensive Coordinators will gameplan around Brown and Oku. Poole is just another back to me. I personally think T. Williams will pass him on the depth chat. But I guess we'll see what happens in the spring.
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I don't think Oku will ever be a traditional 3 down back. He'll be used a lot but he'll never be a workhorse type like Brown can be.

I have faith that Williams will be a very good back at Tennessee. I do not believe his knee will be strong enough for him to show it until fall practice begins if then.

Poole is an injury away from seeing a lot of carries next year.
 
#72
#72
justingroves said:
I don't think Oku will ever be a traditional 3 down back. He'll be used a lot but he'll never be a workhorse type like Brown can be.

I have faith that Williams will be a very good back at Tennessee. I do not believe his knee will be strong enough for him to show it until fall practice begins if then.

Poole is an injury away from seeing a lot of carries next year.
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Oku will be around 190-195 lbs. come this spring. I think we'll see a lot of big plays from him next year.
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#73
#73
raynochonspeed said:
Tauren Poole will receive a substantial amount of carries next year. Bryce Brown will not be a full-timer, as 1) he is injury-prone; and 2) he hasn't quite learned to break enough tackles.

I feel the RB competition is wide open.
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I want to see Bryce Brown plant his foot and make a decisive, ankle breaking cut before I buy stock. In limited playing time, I've seen both Poole and Oku do that.

Break away speed is always great but the ability to cut is far more important.
 
#74
#74
Lockdown1 said:
See this is the type of thinking that I think is going on here. A lot of our fans are still settling for solid.
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And this is the type of word parsing that irritates me to no end. Ingram is a "solid" back. Hardesty was a "solid" back. Being "solid" doesn't preclude being exceptional... in fact, if a guy isn't "solid" (dependably/consistently good) then he can never be "exceptional".

Poole in both his HS play and practice/PT at UT has shown the ability to a) run through tackles and b) make decisive cuts and get up field a la Montario.

So that you won't choke on the word "solid" again... Poole has the talent to become the next Hardesty for this team. Neither Brown nor even Oku have shown that yet. Brown hasn't shown he can make cuts and get up field. Oku hasn't been difficult to tackle. Both may have a step on Poole but that is minor in the grand scheme of things.

Brown's style this year reminded of a poor man's Arian Foster than a Hardesty/Ingram/Lewis type of back. I like him and hope he does well. Perhaps he'll be a different player when completely healthy.

Brown and Oku have the potential to be true impact players. Defensive Coordinators will gameplan around Brown and Oku. Poole is just another back to me. I personally think T. Williams will pass him on the depth chat. But I guess we'll see what happens in the spring.
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You are probably basing that on recruiting. Brown and Oku do have potential but both have fundamental flaws right now that must be overcome before they are "impact" players. I like Williams as well but he's more of a north and south type of runner too.

If he gets a real shot behind a good OL, I think Poole will thrive in the zone blocking run scheme as much if not more so than Brown or Oku and very likely more than Williams.

IMHO, Williams will finish his career as a FB if he doesn't come back with better lateral quickness and acceleration than what he had before.
 
#75
#75
sjt18 said:
And this is the type of word parsing that irritates me to no end. Ingram is a "solid" back. Hardesty was a "solid" back. Being "solid" doesn't preclude being exceptional... in fact, if a guy isn't "solid" (dependably/consistently good) then he can never be "exceptional".

Poole in both his HS play and practice/PT at UT has shown the ability to a) run through tackles and b) make decisive cuts and get up field a la Montario.

So that you won't choke on the word "solid" again... Poole has the talent to become the next Hardesty for this team. Neither Brown nor even Oku have shown that yet. Brown hasn't shown he can make cuts and get up field. Oku hasn't been difficult to tackle. Both may have a step on Poole but that is minor in the grand scheme of things.

Brown's style this year reminded of a poor man's Arian Foster than a Hardesty/Ingram/Lewis type of back. I like him and hope he does well. Perhaps he'll be a different player when completely healthy.



You are probably basing that on recruiting. Brown and Oku do have potential but both have fundamental flaws right now that must be overcome before they are "impact" players. I like Williams as well but he's more of a north and south type of runner too.

If he gets a real shot behind a good OL, I think Poole will thrive in the zone blocking run scheme as much if not more so than Brown or Oku and very likely more than Williams.

IMHO, Williams will finish his career as a FB if he doesn't come back with better lateral quickness and acceleration than what he had before.
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This post just seems to really, really venture into the purely hypothetical, but the discussion is presented as if it were more evidence-based.
 
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