Syracuse thinks it has a chance

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vavolfan6 said:
Many are overlooking the job Fran Brown did for Syracuse last season. Syracuse was coming of a 6-7 season getting blown out by USF 0-45 in their bowl game. They didn't have much going for them going into last season but still went 10-3. So, despite losing their top QB and #1 receiver, I wouldn't be surprised if they find the pieces to still perform at a high level..

Angeli winning the QB competition does concern me. He must have performed well with clear separation to be named starting QB over Rickie Collins, who was named starter in Spring camp.
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their only real ranked win was Miami, GT was ranked for a minute after beating FSU when everyone thought they were good.

and they lost to Stanford. other losses were BC and Pitt.

against our common opponent of NC State they won 24 17. this is the same team we boat raced 51 to 10.

8 of their games were one score games, they went 7-2 in those games.

they are lucky the play in the ACC, and even in the ACC they had an easy schedule.

Syracuse will be good, for a Syracuse team. the part that doesn't get talked about is that their coach has played us before, and will know how to defend against our system.
 
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LouderVol said:
their only real ranked win was Miami, GT was ranked for a minute after beating FSU when everyone thought they were good.

and they lost to Stanford. other losses were BC and Pitt.

against our common opponent of NC State they won 24 17. this is the same team we boat raced 51 to 10.

8 of their games were one score games, they went 7-2 in those games.

they are lucky the play in the ACC, and even in the ACC they had an easy schedule.

Syracuse will be good, for a Syracuse team. the part that doesn't get talked about is that their coach has played us before, and will know how to defend against our system.
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That's some darn good math there Mr. Louder
 
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FBtime said:
Bro, this OL let Nico get sacked 28 times...28 F'ing times! That says all you need to know about how bad they were at pass blocking and how bad Nico was at avoiding sacks. We will absolutely be better at both
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The O line is responsible for giving the QB 3-5 seconds at best to make his reads and unload. And 5 seconds is pushing the danger zone. Heck TnTech can get in hte back field for a sack at 5+ seconds. It ain't the O lines job to give a QB that don't know how to pull a trigger 30+seconds every play.

In the old days, that's what the 3 and 5 step drop from under center was for. That was your count to see your progressions and make a decision. By the time that last step planted the ball had better be coming out or you probably were going down.

28 sacks says more about Nico than the O Line.
 
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GVF said:
The O line is responsible for giving the QB 3-5 seconds at best to make his reads and unload. And 5 seconds is pushing the danger zone. Heck TnTech can get in hte back field for a sack at 5+ seconds. It ain't the O lines job to give a QB that don't know how to pull a trigger 30+seconds every play.

In the old days, that's what the 3 and 5 step drop from under center was for. That was your count to see your progressions and make a decision. By the time that last step planted the ball had better be coming out or you probably were going down.

28 sacks says more about Nico than the O Line.
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I don't disagree with the bolded part...Nico was REALLY bad at avoiding sacks. Despite playing behind a much worse OL JA was sacked at a MUCH MUCH lower rate.
 
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FBtime said:
I don't disagree with the bolded part...Nico was REALLY bad at avoiding sacks. Despite playing behind a much worse OL JA was sacked at a MUCH MUCH lower rate.
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To be fair, I personally think Nico's build is for a pro-style drop back system. IMO, he is not a true dual threat. Too long and lanky regardless of mass. Aguilar is built to be far more agile and elusive. Even if Nico had stayed and enventually posted an admirable career here, he was not truly in the best system for him. Do, I think a pro style oriented QB can excel in our O. Sure, if he has a qucik mind and a hair trigger, but if hte play is not there, he needs to be better than average mobility. Not top end fast, but really quick at 0-20 yards. Regardless of system, Nico will always take more sacks than average unless he resolves his slow read and release. But, that's just my .02 and I'm a nobody in that world past Jr. High.
 
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FBtime said:
Bro, this OL let Nico get sacked 28 times...28 F'ing times! That says all you need to know about how bad they were at pass blocking and how bad Nico was at avoiding sacks. We will absolutely be better at both
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Admire the effort...but I don't argue with Debby Downer because it is pointless. I slipped up and responded to him because his post was absolutely ridiculous. His screen name is correct...if he is a VOL fan, which is debatable, he is certainly a squad leader in the Legions of the Miserable. Reading his post history will get you in therapy or a graveyard. Do not recommend. Indeed misery loves company though ...
 
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GVF said:
To be fair, I personally think Nico's build is for a pro-style drop back system. IMO, he is not a true dual threat. Too long and lanky regardless of mass. Aguilar is built to be far more agile and elusive. Even if Nico had stayed and enventually posted an admirable career here, he was not truly in the best system for him. Do, I think a pro style oriented QB can excel in our O. Sure, if he has a qucik mind and a hair trigger, but if hte play is not there, he needs to be better than average mobility. Not top end fast, but really quick at 0-20 yards. Regardless of system, Nico will always take more sacks than average unless he resolves his slow read and release. But, that's just my .02 and I'm a nobody in that world past Jr. High.
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This is a fair assessment. 7 on 7 culture doesn’t really give QB’s a true assessment of moving in the pocket and throwing through lanes, at different arm angles, timing, etc.

Nico does have arm talent but the game was moving fast for him and he didn’t get to his 3rd read/checkdown often enough. If he was in a more pro-style system, I’d be curious what he’d be coached on from a processing standpoint
 
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MDsweetT said:
This is a fair assessment. 7 on 7 culture doesn’t really give QB’s a true assessment of moving in the pocket and throwing through lanes, at different arm angles, timing, etc.

Nico does have arm talent but the game was moving fast for him and he didn’t get to his 3rd read/checkdown often enough. If he was in a more pro-style system, I’d be curious what he’d be coached on from a processing standpoint
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Hard to say. True pro style hasn't existed for some time because no one uses under center formations on the regular. The 3 and 5 count drop back was your timing for release. I suppose one could say that the normal shotgun with a 3 step drop is akin to under timed drop backs.
 
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LouderVol said:
their only real ranked win was Miami, GT was ranked for a minute after beating FSU when everyone thought they were good.

and they lost to Stanford. other losses were BC and Pitt.

against our common opponent of NC State they won 24 17. this is the same team we boat raced 51 to 10.

8 of their games were one score games, they went 7-2 in those games.

they are lucky the play in the ACC, and even in the ACC they had an easy schedule.

Syracuse will be good, for a Syracuse team. the part that doesn't get talked about is that their coach has played us before, and will know how to defend against our system.
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I was never making a case that Syracuse is better than us. Our resume is obviously better, hence why we are 14 pt favorites.

But I'd also note that we only beat one true top 25 team also in Bama. We also lost to Arkansas. Also our NC State game was on a nuetral field whereas Syracuse beat them in Raleigh and with a different QB than we played against.

That aside, I'm simply noting the good coaching job Fran Brown did last year and wouldn't be surprised if Syracuse becomes near as good as they were last season. Sure, even if that happens we should still be favorites to win, but it could be a much closer game than anyone anticipated with Syracuse having a puncher's chance of pulling off the upset.
 
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LouderVol said:
their only real ranked win was Miami, GT was ranked for a minute after beating FSU when everyone thought they were good.

and they lost to Stanford. other losses were BC and Pitt.

against our common opponent of NC State they won 24 17. this is the same team we boat raced 51 to 10.

8 of their games were one score games, they went 7-2 in those games.

they are lucky the play in the ACC, and even in the ACC they had an easy schedule.

Syracuse will be good, for a Syracuse team. the part that doesn't get talked about is that their coach has played us before, and will know how to defend against our system.
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Well Fran Brown lucked into a situation last year with 19 starters! Let's see how he does with 8 plus some Transfers. To me that Ncst score was telling, although Tenn has less depth than the one that shellacked State, Vols are not 34 points worse, and cuse may be 10 points worse than Last year. Pound the rock, catch them in the box, and throw some timely deep balls. Stay after their QB, they are a pass happy offense. No turnovers and Tenn wins by 17-20.
 
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VOLin315 said:
I would be shocked if we lose, but I will say I personally think their WRs are better this year that last. Johntay Cook has to be better then the Pena kid at least more explosive.
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You're telling me you think a WR (Cook) who has 8 catches the last two years is going to be better than the guy who had 84 catches for 941 yards and 10 TDs? They also lost Orande Gasden who has 73/934/7 and a proven QB that could get them the ball
 
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FBtime said:
You're telling me you think a WR (Cook) who has 8 catches the last two years is going to be better than the guy who had 84 catches for 941 yards and 10 TDs? They also lost Orande Gasden who has 73/934/7 and a proven QB that could get them the ball
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I think he probably has more god given talent, former 5 star kid. Gadsen was the TE was he not. The kid from Texas Gill is a talented kid as well.
 
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