Swain wants Butch to emulate Dabo

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fade route said:
Hurd does not have emotional problems. He didn't like his role on the offense and quit because he doesn't care about his teammates or coaches, he cares about Hurd.
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I've been told different on the emotional standpoint.
And yes he does care about himself first.
 
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This thread went south very quickly.

As for the two losses that some cannot put behind them -

- Vandy was a defensive failure. Tennessee scored enough points to win, in fact scored more point on Vandy than any other SEC team did. Injuries, while not the sole factor, was a big factor in that.

- South Carolina was different. Offensively the team wasn't clicking. Having a bad apple who doesn't want to participate on the side line can and will drain and derail the focus that a team needs.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Again...

Highest scoring offense in UT history.

Hired what many considered the best DC in the nation.

I know some don't want to face the fact that we had HORRIBLE luck with major injuries and a lot of them. But it is reality.
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I agree to an extent with all that said but then there is this....

Catbone said:
To ReaderVol

Vanderbilt: 6-7
South Carolina: 6-7
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and our back ups are better than these starters on this team...these losses are marked up to coaching period.
 
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Wylo said:
You're right, in some ways it was worse. They lost a starting qb. You'd be defending an 0-12 season if Dobbs was lost for any amount of time.

Yet, with good coaching, Florida still win the east.

Butch gonna Butch. Every year. It's a pattern. Next year you'll have new excuses.
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I'd say that if you take Dobbs away and all the other injuries didn't occur UT would've been even more competitive this past year.
Had they all stayed healthy then we would've been a very, very good team.
But it didn't happen and major injuries and a lot of them happened. We wound up winning 9 games and that isn't what we or the team wanted but by far not a debacle some make it out to be.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
While I am aware it's purely speculation on my part, do you think they would have told the press Hurd did not make the trip because he was disgruntled?
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I'm sure they wouldn't. But even his family came out and said concussion. And I'm aware they wouldn't say different either.
Most coaches are wired to try and "fix" kids. It's who they are.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This morning, Swain and Stokes talking about Dabo taking Clemson to next level in recent years.
They say he did this by hiring guys that are smarter than him at OC and DC.
Said that Dabo realized his strengths were more as a recruiter and motivator than as a play caller.
They say that Butch would also be best suited in this role if he's not afraid to hire some strong coordinators and give them free reign.

On a few other subjects,
Swain thinks Blackburn gets AD job in February, thinks Clemson beats Bama, and wants Byrd to primarily play on defense next year with a few reps per game at receiver.
Says Jennings will be primary go to receiver with Malone gone and have to step up off the field as a team leader.
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I agree with everything posted. If I remember correctly Dabo fumbled around with a few mediocre seasons at Clemson before taking them to an elite level. Perhaps Butch Jones recognizes this and puts his ego aside, which is not a given with head coaches these days.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I'd say that if you take Dobbs away and all the other injuries didn't occur UT would've been even more competitive this past year.
Had they all stayed healthy then we would've been a very, very good team.
But it didn't happen and major injuries and a lot of them happened. We wound up winning 9 games and that isn't what we or the team wanted but by far not a debacle some make it out to be.
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Well, I really disagree with this. There have been countless busted plays that Dobbs turned into crucial first downs or even took to the house. You take him out of the mix and our offense would have been nonexistent at times. Something I don't think we will truly appreciate until next season.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I'd say that if you take Dobbs away and all the other injuries didn't occur UT would've been even more competitive this past year.
Had they all stayed healthy then we would've been a very, very good team.
But it didn't happen and major injuries and a lot of them happened. We wound up winning 9 games and that isn't what we or the team wanted but by far not a debacle some make it out to be.
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The first sentence show a complete lack of football knowledge. What a joke. Dobbs saved Coach 23 many times, deal with it.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I'm sure they wouldn't. But even his family came out and said concussion. And I'm aware they wouldn't say different either.
Most coaches are wired to try and "fix" kids. It's who they are.
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He did have a head injury. I know one of his family members and have talked to him a few times over the last few weeks.

A lot of bad info floating around about that situation.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Well, I really disagree with this. There have been countless busted plays that Dobbs turned into crucial first downs or even took to the house. You take him out of the mix and our offense would have been nonexistent at times. Something I don't think we will truly appreciate until next season.
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He absolutely did. Dobbs is a great player and I defended him last year and even this year against some of the very posters on this site who now credit him for saving the team.
But we have back up QB's that were serviceable and the play calling would've changed dramatically in order to fit the guy under center.
 
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Defaultuser said:
The first sentence show a complete lack of football knowledge. What a joke. Dobbs saved Coach 23 many times, deal with it.
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I'm sure the staff would've tried to run the exact same plays with a different QB under center. And I'm sure the defense and Oline wouldn't have been drastically better had we not gotten the huge # of injuries.
So damn, man you're brilliant.
 
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volfan102455 said:
We'll see - Washington thought they were going to take the high powered offense and run all over Bama. They also though their defense was going to be able to go the distance and not get worn down. It didn't happen.

I think the NC is Alabama's to lose not Clemson's to win.
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I agree. While I will be pulling for Clemson, I think Alabama wins.
 
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Defaultuser said:
The first sentence show a complete lack of football knowledge. What a joke. Dobbs saved Coach 23 many times, deal with it.
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You need to read closely what was said.

I agree Dobbs was the key player offensively - but he had to be because the defense was really bad with all the injuries. It is a very different team if the defense is healthy all year long and players are allowed to play at their natural position.
 
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volfan102455 said:
You need to read closely what was said.

I agree Dobbs was the key player offensively - but he had to be because the defense was really bad with all the injuries. It is a very different team if the defense is healthy all year long and players are allowed to play at their natural position.
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So he was the key player on offense because the defense was bad. What changes if its decent or good?
 
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volfan102455 said:
And they should be wired this way.

Based on what some say on here - they probably kick their kid out of the house when said kid makes one mistake.
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Yes to the first part and no to the second.
Going on the theory that Hurd was left at home for the A&M game to "get his mind right", it should have been apparent in the time following the game if it worked. Obviously it did not. Yet, Jones allowed him back into the fold. I think this was a mistake that cost us the Carolina game.
 
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ReaderVol said:
He absolutely did. Dobbs is a great player and I defended him last year and even this year against some of the very posters on this site who now credit him for saving the team.
But we have back up QB's that were serviceable and the play calling would've changed dramatically in order to fit the guy under center.
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I really don't see how you can honestly believe the play calling would have changed. See Justin Worley.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I really don't see how you can honestly believe the play calling would have changed. See Justin Worley.
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Exactly my point. We didn't run the same offense with Dobbs that we did with JW. Especially in the year JD took over through the off season as starter.
When JD came in for JW we rarely threw the ball worley through a lot more and rarely ran (other than for his life).
 
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volfan102455 said:
This thread went south very quickly.

As for the two losses that some cannot put behind them -

- Vandy was a defensive failure. Tennessee scored enough points to win, in fact scored more point on Vandy than any other SEC team did. Injuries, while not the sole factor, was a big factor in that.

- South Carolina was different. Offensively the team wasn't clicking. Having a bad apple who doesn't want to participate on the side line can and will drain and derail the focus that a team needs.
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See you have to talk about the whole body of work though. Why did our offense sputter in the second half of the Vandy game? The team had so much chemistry in the A&M game minus all the turnovers...that game could have been a blowout in our favor. Hurd did not make the trip....then turn around and put him in the Bama game and South Carolina game and the offense looks rancid...injuries sure but that cancer was put on the field courtesy of the HC's decision. I'm just saying.
 
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powerTvol said:
Butch had too have his hand in everything . That is his downfall as a head coach. Butch seems to have an ego problem wants the program to evolve around him not around team .imo
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I have no idea how people get that idea. There are more coaches with hands on than not. Saban, Harbaugh come to mind. It's just a ridiculous concept that head coaches should not be involved with calling plays. Dabo was never a coordinator or anything. I doubt he could be now. I like coaches who actually know ****. But that's just me. I liked that about Kiffin when he was here. James Franklin also carries a play sheet. But yeah, Butch has an ego? I just don't see that.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Well, I really disagree with this. There have been countless busted plays that Dobbs turned into crucial first downs or even took to the house. You take him out of the mix and our offense would have been nonexistent at times. Something I don't think we will truly appreciate until next season.
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Agreed. This offense will never work unless we have someone mobile like Dobbs.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
See you have to talk about the whole body of work though. Why did our offense sputter in the second half of the Vandy game? The team had so much chemistry in the A&M game minus all the turnovers...that game could have been a blowout in our favor. Hurd did not make the trip....then turn around and put him in the Bama game and South Carolina game and the offense looks rancid...injuries sure but that cancer was put on the field courtesy of the HC's decision. I'm just saying.
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You can't pick one second half performance and make anykind of real argument. The offensive records for the entire year speak for themselves. I'm just saying.
 
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