suprising, obama's muslim pray leader linked to...

[joevol320]

Obama prayer leader from group US linked to Hamas - International Herald Tribune

how can this happend, a muslim cleric linked to terror?

wow, i'm amazed.

 

[KingNick865]

Again, you try to deceive the ones here with any sense. The woman is a Muslim leader, who is SPEAKING, not PRAYING at Obama's inauguration. She's also met with President Bush. Does that make him a Muslim too?

The group he's with, not him personally, the Islamic Society of North America, is being linked by a private prosecutor, not a public one. In court documents, the group has said, "it does not condone terrorism"

Amazing what actually reading the article can tell you.

 

[dickens821]

Again, you try to deceive the ones here with any sense. The woman is a Muslim leader, who is SPEAKING, not PRAYING at Obama's inauguration. She's also met with President Bush. Does that make him a Muslim too?

The group he's with, not him personally, the Islamic Society of North America, is being linked by a private prosecutor, not a public one. In court documents, the group has said, "it does not condone terrorism"

Amazing what actually reading the article can tell you.

Yes because people who condone terrorism are just going to state it aloud and in their bylaws.

 

[KingNick865]

Yes because people who condone terrorism are just going to state it aloud and in their bylaws.

Do you really believe this group is a terrorist organization? Do they have any proof at all?

 

[dickens821]

I have no idea if they are or not. I do know your argument was bad.
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[TennTradition]

I have no idea if they are or not. I do know your argument was bad.
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The second argument wasn't very good - saying something one way or the other is no proof. But, his first point (in the first paragraph) was pretty valid....

 

[KingNick865]

I have no idea if they are or not. I do know your argument was bad.
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Break it down.

 

[dickens821]

Break what down? You are using them 'saying they don't condone terrorism in court documents' as proof they really don't. If I condoned terrorism I know for sure I wouldn't go around spouting off about it in a public forum, or in court documents. It was a poor argument.

 

[KingNick865]

Break what down? You are using them 'saying they don't condone terrorism in court documents' as proof they really don't. If I condoned terrorism I know for sure I wouldn't go around spouting off about it in a public forum, or in court documents. It was a poor argument.

Fair enough. You win this time.

But still, it gets old with these misleading thread titles.

 

[joevol320]

i would say 90% of muslims is a member of mosque who is a member of an organization that is linked with terror. there aren't that many muslim organizations in america, i'd say most either support or are sympathetic to muslim terrorists.

 

[milohimself]

i would say 90% of muslims is a member of mosque who is a member of an organization that is linked with terror. there aren't that many muslim organizations in america, i'd say most either support or are sympathetic to muslim terrorists.

Simply incredible.

 

[Brog]

i would say 90% of muslims is a member of mosque who is a member of an organization that is linked with terror. there aren't that many muslim organizations in america, i'd say most either support or are sympathetic to muslim terrorists.

I'd say 90% of your posts are without merit and borderline retarded.

 

[emainvol]

I'd say 90% of your posts are without merit and borderline retarded.

That's being awfully nice.

 

[OWB]

i would say 90% of muslims is a member of mosque who is a member of an organization that is linked with terror. there aren't that many muslim organizations in america, i'd say most either support or are sympathetic to muslim terrorists.

For now, I think you should just focus on the easier things, like spelling "surprise" right.

 

[utvolpj]

For now, I think you should just focus on the easier things, like spelling "surprise" right.

and capitalizing America. A true patriot would always capitalize America. Why do you hate America joevol?

 

[KB5252]

Again, you try to deceive the ones here with any sense. The woman is a Muslim leader, who is SPEAKING, not PRAYING at Obama's inauguration. She's also met with President Bush. Does that make him a Muslim too?

The group he's with, not him personally, the Islamic Society of North America, is being linked by a private prosecutor, not a public one. In court documents, the group has said, "it does not condone terrorism"

Amazing what actually reading the article can tell you.

I don't know if they condone terrorism or not, if they do not speak out openly and firmly against terrorist they are only a little better in my eyes.

 

[KB5252]

i would say 90% of muslims is a member of mosque who is a member of an organization that is linked with terror. there aren't that many muslim organizations in america, i'd say most either support or are sympathetic to muslim terrorists.

I have to disagree. I would say roughly 40 to 50 percent promote or are sympathetic to the terrorist cause. Another 20 to 30 percent unknowingly give money to organizations that redirect a portion to terrorist causes.

 

[gsvol]

Some of you guys seem to be ganging up on Joe and not discussing the topic.

She's also met with President Bush.

Are you sure about that???

She met with Pentagon officials while Bush was president.

That was because of the Deputy Secretary of Defense, Gordon England, who has been a prime supporter of Muslim moles in the Defense Department, including the notorious Hesham Islam, who was finally fired when it turned out that he had never been vetted by security and his whole life story was a lie.

Mattson has been the guest of honor at State Department dinners and has met with senior Pentagon officials during the Bush administration. She also spoke at a prayer service at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

In August 2008 Mattson was a keynote speaker at an interfaith gathering held at the Democratic National Convention.

Ingrid Mattson was among the hundreds of Moslem “scholars” who signed a petition against the Pope when the Pope cited a historian who revealed the brutality of the Moslems during the late Dark Ages.

The ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA (ISNA), was established in 1981 by the by the Saudi-funded Muslim Students' Association of the U.S. and Canada (MSA), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) calls itself the largest Muslim organization on the continent. ISNA was created by MSA with the help of one of Palestinian Islamic Jihad's founding students, Sami Al-Arian.

ISNA focuses heavily on providing Wahhabi theological indoctrination materials to a large percentage of the mosques in North America. Many of these mosques were recently built with Saudi money and are required, by their Saudi benefactors, to strictly follow the dictates of Wahhabi imams -- an edict that affects the tone and content of the sermons given in the mosques, the selection of books and periodicals that may be read in mosque libraries or sold in mosque bookshops, and the policies governing the exclusion or suppression of dissenters from the congregations.

The ISNA reportedly holds the mortgages on 50 to 80 percent of all mosques in the U.S. and Canada. Thus the organization can freely exercise ultimate authority over these houses of worship and their teachings.

Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz describes ISNA as "one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States." Adds Schwartz: "Our view is that the number of mosques under Wahhabi control actually totals at least 600 out of the official total of 1,200, while, as noted, Shia community leaders endorse the figure of 80 percent Wahhabi control.


According to Sufi leader Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani's testimony before a State Department Open Forum on January 7, 1999, extremists have taken over "more than 80 percent of the mosques in the United States ... This means that the ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the Muslim population, mostly the youth and the new generation." Kabbani based his statement on his personal investigation of 114 American mosques. This is largely due to the efforts of ISNA.


According to terrorism expert Steven Emerson, ISNA "is a radical group hiding under a false veneer of moderation"; "convenes annual conferences where Islamist militants have been given a platform to incite violence and promote hatred" (for instance, al Qaeda supporter and PLO official Yusuf Al-Qaradhawi was invited to speak at an ISNA conference); has held fundraisers for terrorists (after Hamas leader Mousa Marzook was arrested and eventually deported in 1997, ISNA raised money for his defense); has condemned the U.S. government's post-9/11 seizure of Hamas' and Palestinian Islamic Jihad's financial assets; and publishes a bi-monthly magazine, Islamic Horizons, that "often champions militant Islamist doctrine."


In December 2003, U.S. Senators Charles Grassley and Max Baucus of the Senate Committee on Finance listed ISNA as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that "finance terrorism and perpetuate violence." ISNA is known to have permitted the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (and a number of other Islamic charities with terror connections) to set up booths at its conventions, and in some cases has helped raise money for them.


ISNA was named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood document --titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" -- as one of the Brotherhood's like minded "organizations of our friends" who shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These "friends" -- which included also the Islamic Circle of North America, Muslim Youth of North America, the Muslim Students Association, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the Islamic Association for Palestine, the United Association for Studies and Research, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought -- were identified by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."


ISNA was a signatory to a February 20, 2002 document, composed by C. Clark Kissinger's revolutionary communist group Refuse & Resist, condemning military tribunals and the detention of immigrants apprehended in connection with post-9/11 terrorism investigations. In ISNA's estimation, the Patriot Act constitutes an assault on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans and ought to be repealed.

ISNA endorses the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride Coalition, which seeks to secure amnesty and civil liberties protections for illegal aliens, and policy reforms that diminish or eliminate restrictions on future immigration.


ISNA chose not to endorse or participate in the May 14, 2005 "Free Muslims March Against Terror," an event whose purpose was to "send a message to the terrorists and extremists that their days are numbered . . . [and to send] a message to the people of the Middle East, the Muslim world and all people who seek freedom, democracy and peaceful coexistence that we support them."

Among ISNA's more prominent members and affiliates (past and present) are Mohammed Nur Abdullah, Muzammil Siddiqi, Siraj Wahhaj, Ihsan Bagby, Jamal A. Badawi, Abdullah Idris Ali, Hadia Mubarak (a former President of the Muslim Students Association who now sits on ISNA's Board of Directors), and Omar J. Siddiqui (the Muslim Youth of North America Chairman who is also a member of the ISNA Board).

ISNA's current President is Ingrid Mattson, professor of Islamic Studies at the Macdonald Center for Islamic Studies, and of Christian-Muslim Relations at Hartford Seminary in Connecticut.

Also affiliated with ISNA is Abdurahman Alamoudi, who in 1982 founded the Islamic Society of Boston under ISNA's tax-exempt umbrella.

An FBI insider once described Alamoudi as an "expert in the art of deception" because of his abilty to appear to be a moderate Muslim while privately embracing a radical anti-American agenda. Behind the scenes, much of Alamoudi's energy was devoted to fundraising activities on behalf of Hamas, Hezbollah, Osama Bin Laden and al Qaeda. He also had dealings with the Libyan regime of Muammar Qadhafi.

From about 1993 to 1998, the Pentagon would retain Alamoudi on an unpaid basis to nominate and approve Muslim chaplain candidates for the U.S. military. Among the chaplains Alamoudi hired was James Yee, who would eventually be arrested in 2003 on suspicion of espionage.

In 1995 Alamoudi helped President Clinton and the ACLU develop a presidential guideline entitled "Religious Expression in Public School," which paved the way for the abolition of Christian symbols, such as the Nativity scene, from public school grounds. In November of that year, Alamoudi and 23 other Muslim leaders met with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore. On December 8, Clinton's National Security Adviser, Anthony Lake, met with Alamoudi and several other AMC Board members. On February 8, 1996, Hillary Clinton penned a newspaper column based on talking points provided by Alamoudi. Later that month, Mrs. Clinton asked AMC to draw up a guest list for a reception marking the end of Ramadan that was to be held at the White House.

In 1994 he said: "Hamas is not a terrorist group. … I have followed the good work of Hamas. ... "

 

[gsvol]

In a talk she delivered at a 2000 ISNA Conference in Canada, Mattson lauded the work of Islamic revivalist and jihadist Maulana Abul A'la Maududi, an author who had written, approvingly, in his 1980 book Jihad in Islam:

"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it … Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution."


Yep that is what you would call a "moderate" Muslim.

Ok you guys can give Joe a break and bitch at me for a while.

Post too long???

Stuff it up your kazoo.

Next question?

 

[gsvol]

Additionally: Speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in March 2007, Mattson stated: "Right-wing Christians are very risky allies for American Jews, because they [the Christians] are really anti-Semitic. They do not like Jews and [they harbor the] fundamentalist belief that it would be desirable for all Jews to return to Israel." (I didn't know that!)

(as if Muslims would be better allies?????)

Not limiting herself to speaking out exclusively on matters related to religion and international relations, Mattson on occasion has taken up the cause of environmental activism. In 2003, for instance, she was a signatory to a letter titled "Global Warming: An Interfaith Call for Repentance and Renewal," which specifically blamed the U.S. for the proliferation of global greenhouse emissions and advocated the creation of "a sustainable economy" that might help to heal "earth's wounds."

 

[KingNick865]

Some of you guys seem to be ganging up on Joe and not discussing the topic.




Are you sure about that???

She met with Pentagon officials while Bush was president.


In August 2008 Mattson was a keynote speaker at an interfaith gathering held at the Democratic National Convention.

Ingrid Mattson was among the hundreds of Moslem “scholars” who signed a petition against the Pope when the Pope cited a historian who revealed the brutality of the Moslems during the late Dark Ages.

The ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA (ISNA), was established in 1981 by the by the Saudi-funded Muslim Students' Association of the U.S. and Canada (MSA), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) calls itself the largest Muslim organization on the continent. ISNA was created by MSA with the help of one of Palestinian Islamic Jihad's founding students, Sami Al-Arian.

ISNA focuses heavily on providing Wahhabi theological indoctrination materials to a large percentage of the mosques in North America. Many of these mosques were recently built with Saudi money and are required, by their Saudi benefactors, to strictly follow the dictates of Wahhabi imams -- an edict that affects the tone and content of the sermons given in the mosques, the selection of books and periodicals that may be read in mosque libraries or sold in mosque bookshops, and the policies governing the exclusion or suppression of dissenters from the congregations.

The ISNA reportedly holds the mortgages on 50 to 80 percent of all mosques in the U.S. and Canada. Thus the organization can freely exercise ultimate authority over these houses of worship and their teachings.

Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz describes ISNA as "one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States." Adds Schwartz: "Our view is that the number of mosques under Wahhabi control actually totals at least 600 out of the official total of 1,200, while, as noted, Shia community leaders endorse the figure of 80 percent Wahhabi control.


According to Sufi leader Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani's testimony before a State Department Open Forum on January 7, 1999, extremists have taken over "more than 80 percent of the mosques in the United States ... This means that the ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the Muslim population, mostly the youth and the new generation." Kabbani based his statement on his personal investigation of 114 American mosques. This is largely due to the efforts of ISNA.


According to terrorism expert Steven Emerson, ISNA "is a radical group hiding under a false veneer of moderation"; "convenes annual conferences where Islamist militants have been given a platform to incite violence and promote hatred" (for instance, al Qaeda supporter and PLO official Yusuf Al-Qaradhawi was invited to speak at an ISNA conference); has held fundraisers for terrorists (after Hamas leader Mousa Marzook was arrested and eventually deported in 1997, ISNA raised money for his defense); has condemned the U.S. government's post-9/11 seizure of Hamas' and Palestinian Islamic Jihad's financial assets; and publishes a bi-monthly magazine, Islamic Horizons, that "often champions militant Islamist doctrine."


In December 2003, U.S. Senators Charles Grassley and Max Baucus of the Senate Committee on Finance listed ISNA as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that "finance terrorism and perpetuate violence." ISNA is known to have permitted the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (and a number of other Islamic charities with terror connections) to set up booths at its conventions, and in some cases has helped raise money for them.


ISNA was named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood document --titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" -- as one of the Brotherhood's like minded "organizations of our friends" who shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These "friends" -- which included also the Islamic Circle of North America, Muslim Youth of North America, the Muslim Students Association, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the Islamic Association for Palestine, the United Association for Studies and Research, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought -- were identified by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."


ISNA was a signatory to a February 20, 2002 document, composed by C. Clark Kissinger's revolutionary communist group Refuse & Resist, condemning military tribunals and the detention of immigrants apprehended in connection with post-9/11 terrorism investigations. In ISNA's estimation, the Patriot Act constitutes an assault on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans and ought to be repealed.

ISNA endorses the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride Coalition, which seeks to secure amnesty and civil liberties protections for illegal aliens, and policy reforms that diminish or eliminate restrictions on future immigration.


ISNA chose not to endorse or participate in the May 14, 2005 "Free Muslims March Against Terror," an event whose purpose was to "send a message to the terrorists and extremists that their days are numbered . . . [and to send] a message to the people of the Middle East, the Muslim world and all people who seek freedom, democracy and peaceful coexistence that we support them."

Among ISNA's more prominent members and affiliates (past and present) are Mohammed Nur Abdullah, Muzammil Siddiqi, Siraj Wahhaj, Ihsan Bagby, Jamal A. Badawi, Abdullah Idris Ali, Hadia Mubarak (a former President of the Muslim Students Association who now sits on ISNA's Board of Directors), and Omar J. Siddiqui (the Muslim Youth of North America Chairman who is also a member of the ISNA Board).

ISNA's current President is Ingrid Mattson, professor of Islamic Studies at the Macdonald Center for Islamic Studies, and of Christian-Muslim Relations at Hartford Seminary in Connecticut.

Also affiliated with ISNA is Abdurahman Alamoudi, who in 1982 founded the Islamic Society of Boston under ISNA's tax-exempt umbrella.

An FBI insider once described Alamoudi as an "expert in the art of deception" because of his abilty to appear to be a moderate Muslim while privately embracing a radical anti-American agenda. Behind the scenes, much of Alamoudi's energy was devoted to fundraising activities on behalf of Hamas, Hezbollah, Osama Bin Laden and al Qaeda. He also had dealings with the Libyan regime of Muammar Qadhafi.

From about 1993 to 1998, the Pentagon would retain Alamoudi on an unpaid basis to nominate and approve Muslim chaplain candidates for the U.S. military. Among the chaplains Alamoudi hired was James Yee, who would eventually be arrested in 2003 on suspicion of espionage.

In 1995 Alamoudi helped President Clinton and the ACLU develop a presidential guideline entitled "Religious Expression in Public School," which paved the way for the abolition of Christian symbols, such as the Nativity scene, from public school grounds. In November of that year, Alamoudi and 23 other Muslim leaders met with President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore. On December 8, Clinton's National Security Adviser, Anthony Lake, met with Alamoudi and several other AMC Board members. On February 8, 1996, Hillary Clinton penned a newspaper column based on talking points provided by Alamoudi. Later that month, Mrs. Clinton asked AMC to draw up a guest list for a reception marking the end of Ramadan that was to be held at the White House.

In 1994 he said: "Hamas is not a terrorist group. … I have followed the good work of Hamas. ... "

Oh goody, just what I was expecting, another 2,000 word response from gsvol himself. I would read it, but it more than likely has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand.

As for this statement

She met with Pentagon officials while Bush was president.

In terms of the Republicans, that means she met with Bush. That's automatically saying that she's Bush's best friend. Sound crazy? Well, that's how some on here do with Obama. Blagojovich(sp?) is corrupt, and governs the same state that Obama lived in, so therefore, Obama and Blagojovich are best friends, and were plotting this from the start.

 

[gsvol]

Oh goody, just what I was expecting, another 2,000 word response from gsvol himself. I would read it, (obviously not) but it more than likely has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand.

As for this statement


In terms of the Republicans, that means she met with Bush. That's automatically saying that she's Bush's best friend. Sound crazy? Well, that's how some on here do with Obama. Blagojovich(sp?) is corrupt, and governs the same state that Obama lived in, so therefore, Obama and Blagojovich are best friends, and were plotting this from the start.

I would say 'thanks for the intelligent reply' but since it is so ignorant, I cannot.


“Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. “His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will.”

He added: “Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation.”

The true nature of Islam, regardless of what may be said by Mattson.

I doubt though that you will read an informed reply because you seem so satisfied in your ignorance.

 

[gsvol]

Simply incredible.

To whom?

I'd say 90% of your posts are without merit and borderline retarded.

You are way over the border in the retarded department.

How do you explain that 80% of the mosques in America are controlled by radical Wahibists???

What do you think their agenda may be??

 

[KingNick865]

I would say 'thanks for the intelligent reply' but since it is so ignorant, I cannot.



“Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. “His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will.”

He added: “Malcolm’s discovery toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him as brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation.”

The true nature of Islam, regardless of what may be said by Mattson.

I doubt though that you will read an informed reply because you seem so satisfied in your ignorance.

Isn't that a little bit like the pot calling the kettle black. And no, I'm not going to read a blog that espouses hate at every turn.

 

[gsvol]

Isn't that a little bit like the pot calling the kettle black. And no, I'm not going to read a blog that espouses hate at every turn.

What pot what kettle???

How can you say the site espouses hate if you didn't read it??

As a matter of fact the site doesn't espouse anything, it merely relates the facts.

But then factual information wouldn't fit in to your world view, would it?