Sunseri already paying dividends in recruiting

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It wasn't Vereen's first visit to Knoxville, but it was his first time visiting with defensive coordinator Sal Sunseri, who he said was a big reason he committed to the Vols, along with Darin Hinshaw and head coach Derek Dooley.

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I like Coach Sunseri, but I'm cautious about his recruiting abilities as of now. Don't get me wrong, he hasn't disappointed or anything, but i'll wait until he has a full year under his belt.
 
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flowd82 said:
I like Coach Sunseri, but I'm cautious about his recruiting abilities as of now. Don't get me wrong, he hasn't disappointed or anything, but i'll wait until he has a full year under his belt.
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It seems every defensive recruit talks about Sunseri. I don't blame you for being catious, but this doesn't look like the same situation as LT.
 
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flowd82 said:
I like Coach Sunseri, but I'm cautious about his recruiting abilities as of now. Don't get me wrong, he hasn't disappointed or anything, but i'll wait until he has a full year under his belt.
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You serious? The man was known as one of Bama's best recruiters and you are "cautious" about his abilities? Come on bro, get real.
 
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Sunseri is considered a top 25-50 national recruiter and has been for many years. There is nothing to be cautious about. Have you seen the LB recruits Bama has pulled the past few years.
 
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I can't imagine that it is very hard for anyone to recruit to Bama right now. And that is not a knock on Sunseri, merely an expression of how much I dislike Alabama
 
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abb4 said:
You serious? The man was known as one of Bama's best recruiters and you are "cautious" about his abilities? Come on bro, get real.
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I'm serious.

He didn't close the deal with many recruits near the end of NSD 2012. I believe he visited/recruited Dalton Santos, Otha Peters, and Korven Kirven the few weeks leading up to NSD and struck out. Given those weren't necessarily his fault at all. Sunseri had only been here a few weeks so he was definitely just attempting to stop the bleeding of losing Sirmon & Wilcox and it just didn't go UT's way.

I am just waiting to see what he can do with a full recruiting year under his belt before I start praising him too much. I am sure he is an outstanding recruiter, but I'd really like to see him do it at UT first. He didn't get a fair chance with time to recruit the 2012 class for UT, but he will have a full year to recruit the 2013 class for UT so we will all see what he can do.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
It wasn't Vereen's first visit to Knoxville, but it was his first time visiting with defensive coordinator Sal Sunseri, who he said was a big reason he committed to the Vols, along with Darin Hinshaw and head coach Derek Dooley.

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With the statement that Darin Hinshaw was involved with this recruitment make it look to anyone else like he will be the most likely to take over the Recruiting coordinator with Joseph's departure?
 
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The guy is legit at recruiting. Dooley's staff is made up of excellent recruiters. It's the coaching part the jury is still out on.
 
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flowd82 said:
I'm serious.

He didn't close the deal with many recruits near the end of NSD 2012. I believe he visited/recruited Dalton Santos, Otha Peters, and Korven Kirven the few weeks leading up to NSD and struck out. Given those weren't necessarily his fault at all. Sunseri had only been here a few weeks so he was definitely just attempting to stop the bleeding of losing Sirmon & Wilcox and it just didn't go UT's way.
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Sorry, have to disagree. I'm more concerned about him being an unproven DC than a recruiter.
 
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Vol4life09 said:
With the statement that Darin Hinshaw was involved with this recruitment make it look to anyone else like he will be the most likely to take over the Recruiting coordinator with Joseph's departure?
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You don't want your best recruiter to be the RC. It interferes with their actual recruiting.
 
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flowd82 said:
I'm serious.

He didn't close the deal with many recruits near the end of NSD 2012. I believe he visited/recruited Dalton Santos, Otha Peters, and Korven Kirven the few weeks leading up to NSD and struck out. Given those weren't necessarily his fault at all. Sunseri had only been here a few weeks so he was definitely just attempting to stop the bleeding of losing Sirmon & Wilcox and it just didn't go UT's way.

I am just waiting to see what he can do with a full recruiting year under his belt before I start praising him too much. I am sure he is an outstanding recruiter, but I'd really like to see him do it at UT first. He didn't get a fair chance with time to recruit the 2012 class for UT, but he will have a full year to recruit the 2013 class for UT so we will all see what he can do.
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Closing the deal is on Joseph, you can't put that on Sunseri. He recruited those kids for less than a month for UT. Most schools were on them for over a year.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Closing the deal is on Joseph, you can't put that on Sunseri. He recruited those kids for less than a month for UT. Most schools were on them for over a year.
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The head coach closes in the end. Not the recruiting coordinator
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
The recruiting coordinator has a relationship with every recruit in the class. Losing Peters, Santos, Jacobs, and Otis is on Joseph.
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So the head coach doesn't? The recruiting coordinator makes initial contact and does follow ups, but in the end its on the positions coach, the recruits coordinator, and the head coach to seal the deal. Joseph gets more credit for helping when we were short handed than blame for losing these four recruits.
 
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allvol_12 said:
So the head coach doesn't? The recruiting coordinator makes initial contact and does follow ups, but in the end its on the positions coach, the recruits coordinator, and the head coach to seal the deal. Joseph gets more credit for helping when we were short handed than blame for losing these four recruits.
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Dooley has the final word, but he does not get to call kids that much. Most kids don't get to talk to Dooley that much until they get on campus. A player doesn't get recruited by the position they play, they will get recruited by what coach is in their area. Hinshaw was a huge contributor in Vereen and was his lead recruiter. Joseph was a huge contributor for keeping the class together, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost on players like Peters and Jacobs.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Dooley has the final word, but he does not get to call kids that much. Most kids don't get to talk to Dooley that much until they get on campus. A player doesn't get recruited by the position they play, they will get recruited by what coach is in their area. Hinshaw was a huge contributor in Vereen and was his lead recruiter. Joseph was a huge contributor for keeping the class together, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost on players like Peters and Jacobs.[/QUOTE

im not blaming anthing on Dooley or Joseph. All im saying is a Recuit is not is saying "im going to the University of Tennessee to play for Terry Joseph." He is saying " Im going to play for the University of Tennessee and Derek Dooley." Which means the head coach is a way bigger factor than the Recruiting Coordinator in the final decision.
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allvol_12 said:
StlCardinals2618 said:
Dooley has the final word, but he does not get to call kids that much. Most kids don't get to talk to Dooley that much until they get on campus. A player doesn't get recruited by the position they play, they will get recruited by what coach is in their area. Hinshaw was a huge contributor in Vereen and was his lead recruiter. Joseph was a huge contributor for keeping the class together, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost on players like Peters and Jacobs.[/QUOTE
im not blaming anthing on Dooley or Joseph. All im saying is a Recuit is not is saying "im going to the University of Tennessee to play for Terry Joseph." He is saying " Im going to play for the University of Tennessee and Derek Dooley." Which means the head coach is a way bigger factor than the Recruiting Coordinator in the final decision.
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I agree. No one is going to come here to play for Terry Joseph, but Joseph has a very good relationship with all the prospects. Dooley doesn't have time for that. Most recruits are excited to visit because they will actually get to talk to Dooley for a good bit for the first time.

Lets just agree to disagree.
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atxvol2010 said:
Sunseri is considered a top 25-50 national recruiter and has been for many years. There is nothing to be cautious about. Have you seen the LB recruits Bama has pulled the past few years.
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Actually the only LB he was lead recruiter for that is at UA is T Depreist from Ohio.

But remember Sal was our recruiter in the midwest/ midatlantic and even though he missed more than he got, he did pull in some big names when he did get us a commit.
 
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I recommend due diligence on Sunseri before making a statement pro or con. Then support or disapproval will have a basis of fact instead of conjecture.

Top football recruiters of the year - ESPN

The link provides some evidence, albeit a subjective opinion from a year ago, that Sunseri is considered a top recruiter in CFB by folks that know something about the business. Also saw Pittman on the list - which is good. Didn't see Wilcox or Thompson that year. Saw Trooper. Also saw Wilson, Baggett, Ogre and Gran - all former coaches on staff at UT within the current roster's time period. Seems to me the staff and roster have been and will continue to be well represented. So it might be a really good idea to focus on the development of the players and the schemes they plan to run.

So the answer is not where a guy rates as a recruiter in the past. It is how he rates after a few years on the staff as a recruiter. At Bama, Sunseri was a top recruiter. Early indications are that he will be at UT. Three years from now we will know for sure.
 
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