strike one cDD

#228
#228
jakez4ut said:
so in 3 years all of our problems should be fixed, AND we should be competing at the top of the conference again? i've not been on here in a while, but our program has been in a state of flux for the last 5 years, now going on it's 3rd head coach.

i for one am just ready to see thing settle down and give this guy fair chance. if he sucks, he won't be here anyway, and we'll move on to the 4th head coach in however many years.

i'm just saying where we are now and probably next year isn't his fault, he's basically starting over.
Click to expand...

I'm more interested in how well he recruits in the '11 and '12 classes than how many games he wins right off the bat. We don't necessarily have to be back at the top by '13 (though I'd expect to be at least somewhat close if this is the right hire), but if he isn't recruiting at a high level, the odds that he'll ever get us back to the top fall somewhere between slim and none.
 
Last edited:
#229
#229
sjt18 said:
We'll probably know by '11 at the latest. He should get a "chance" to produce in '12... then be gone if he doesn't make serious progress.

UT has two top 10 classes and should have a top 15 class to go with it in Feb. If he can keep them out of trouble and develop them, that is more than enough talent to compete for and win the SEC no later than '12.

I like DD. I hope he does well. But the program cannot afford patience. The recruiting people are complaining about now is much better than what it will be if UT stays down for 3 more seasons and doesn't make a change.
Click to expand...

Not a chance in hell it goes anywhere near that high unless there's some drastic departure from what we've seen so far. As far as how long to give DD, I'm expecting either 4 or 5 wins this year, maybe 6 in 2011 and 8 by 2012. At least that way he'll have shown some progress. If we're still a .500 or below football team by then, it'll be time for both him and Hamilton to go, and for the new AD to open up the checkbook and bring in a big name coach to fix the problem.
 
#230
#230
hmanvolfan said:
You're right and I agree 100%. There's just a faction in here that continues to rail on Dooley being a bad hire and they aren't willing to give him a chance to prove his worth. Haven't seen you around lately. Does that have something to do with your wife being pregnant? :whistling:
Click to expand...
he might be. but it's not his fault. at the end of the day this 'new direction' falls squarely on MH's shoulders. he took a risk hiring kiffin, it failed, now he's on to plan E. we got our dose of reality when we went after everyone i expected us to and they all said 'no thanks'. it was also a wake up call for Hamilton.

and an incredible opportunity for Dooley. hope it works out, really.
 
#231
#231
sjt18 said:
Poole is also unproven but has shown some positive flashes in limited opportunities.

I like Poole. I love underdogs who keep fighting and he's a classic example. Do I want someone with that kind of heart, love for UT, appreciation for the fans, etc to succeed more than a prima donna? You bet. But success IS the bottom line.

We do not have a proven RB returning... and that situation would not have been different had BB returned.

FTR, Poole's runs against VT were when the game was still competitive and were DEFINITELY not against the 2nd team. Specifically, he played in the 3rd possession of the third qtr just after VT scored a TD to go up 24-14.
Click to expand...
:good!:
 
#234
#234
SGMVols said:
I'm more interested in how well he recruits in the '11 and '12 classes than how many games he wins right off the bat. We don't necessarily have to be back at the top by '13, but if he isn't recruiting at a high level, the odds that he'll ever get us back to the top fall somewhere between slim and none.
Click to expand...
that's fair i guess. but i think his approach to recuriting will be a little different than what we've been used to, especially w/kiffin. the one thing i took away from media days when he was talking about this was the evaluation process for a potential recruit, and how he will weight the risk of bringing a player to UT agains his football skill.

i think he'll do fine recruiting, but i wouldn't be surprised if we're not making headlines with all the top 50 players we're getting.

so if you judge it by stars and rankings, may be a little disappointed....
 
#236
#236
SGMVols said:
I'm more interested in how well he recruits in the '11 and '12 classes than how many games he wins right off the bat. We don't necessarily have to be back at the top by '13 (though I'd expect to be at least somewhat close if this is the right hire), but if he isn't recruiting at a high level, the odds that he'll ever get us back to the top fall somewhere between slim and none.
Click to expand...

He is going to recruit well...it won't be too big of a departure from what we are used to seeing, I'm more interested to see how he develops that talent.

This years class is going to have a few guys who are filler and that has nothing to do with what star they are...we need bodies in certain positions and have to get what we can get right now.

I would look for next years class to be the first real class of his, where he isn't just trying to stop the bleeding.
 
#239
#239
jakez4ut said:
the situation our program is in, yeah.

as for fans, whether or not you like him or hate the hire or whatever, i don't think there's a coach in America that deserves a little patience more than DD. where we are right now isn't his fault, and he's got a lot of catching up to do.

check back in 5 years and then we can talk about whether or not he's getting it done or not.
Click to expand...

Good to see you back
 
#241
#241
ddubb76 said:
ok, i am going to say it. I blame dd for bb. It was his responsibility to keep talent in knoxville. While i can understand that he didnt feel the need to recruit a player currently on the team, he should have. It is his job to get and keep talent there. You can say whatever, but when you have a talented player that wants a little coddling, you coddle, get him in spring practice, and then coach him. He should have handled that sooner. Also, i do not doubt that bb just got tired of waiting for dd, you think saban or meyer would let a 5 star talent sit for three days without at least trying to talk to them. Once bb expressed his concern after the coaching change he became a 5 star recruit with tn ties that our coach refused to try and recruit,

strike one dd, i will root for him and back the team, but this is his failure.
Click to expand...

Well, you can tell it is The Dog Days of Summer.
 
#242
#242
IPorange said:
If you blame CDD for BB, you are out of your mind. OUT OF YOUR MIND. He met with his family and him, he gave him every opportunity, and BB just didn't want it.

Strike one on you, buddy.
Click to expand...



To me he popped up a bunt attempt to the catcher. He is outta there!
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#243
#243
ddubb76 said:
ok, i am going to say it. I blame dd for bb. It was his responsibility to keep talent in knoxville. While i can understand that he didnt feel the need to recruit a player currently on the team, he should have. It is his job to get and keep talent there. You can say whatever, but when you have a talented player that wants a little coddling, you coddle, get him in spring practice, and then coach him. He should have handled that sooner. Also, i do not doubt that bb just got tired of waiting for dd, you think saban or meyer would let a 5 star talent sit for three days without at least trying to talk to them. Once bb expressed his concern after the coaching change he became a 5 star recruit with tn ties that our coach refused to try and recruit,

strike one dd, i will root for him and back the team, but this is his failure.
Click to expand...
This is hysterical. Hysterically insane but hysterical none the less. Thanks for the laugh.
 
#244
#244
to the OP, your wrong IMO. It is DD's fault for not getting rid of him sooner. He let this drama go on for too long!
 
#245
#245
i couldn't disagree more with op but at least it was polite. life is short, i don't see wasting your time being pessimistic toward your sports team..... go for a walk, watch a sunset, take a sabbatical,whatever.
 
#246
#246
ddubb76 said:
ok, i am going to say it. I blame dd for bb. It was his responsibility to keep talent in knoxville. While i can understand that he didnt feel the need to recruit a player currently on the team, he should have. It is his job to get and keep talent there. You can say whatever, but when you have a talented player that wants a little coddling, you coddle, get him in spring practice, and then coach him. He should have handled that sooner. Also, i do not doubt that bb just got tired of waiting for dd, you think saban or meyer would let a 5 star talent sit for three days without at least trying to talk to them. Once bb expressed his concern after the coaching change he became a 5 star recruit with tn ties that our coach refused to try and recruit,

strike one dd, i will root for him and back the team, but this is his failure.
Click to expand...

This is the FAILURE!!
 
#247
#247
jakez4ut said:
but in all seriousness, i'm not going to bag on dooley right now. the program right now is kind of a mess. it's not going to get fixed this year or next, and if you listen to him, his plans are more long term. the approach he's taking will take longer to implement than Kiffin's wam bam thank you mamn approach. not saying it's good or bad, just what it is.
Click to expand...

*ma'am :)
 
#248
#248
lylsmorr said:
I haven't seen much intelligence from you. Starting with the "I expect to win right away". Also, Dooley learned from Saban. Saban wouldn't have kissed BB's arse to keep him. Believe that
Click to expand...

Agree, Saban had a 5 star decommit (Keenan Allen) because he wanted his brother to come to Alabama, and Saban told family he had no place for the brother. I think he ended up at California with his brother. Where do you think this kid would most likely play for a NC?
 
#249
#249
Cdd should never kiss a players ass that doesn't want to play for ut. Recruiting is one thing but begging them to stay when they want to leave. Please!
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top