Strength coach

#27
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grobin4300 said:
This is 2 or 3 years in a row for TEnn w/ a slew of Injuries.............and it equates to Strength & Conditioning...........bad S&C program = Injuries......if that were not the case, then everybody would have a slew of injuries........when you rest kids all summer and then expect them to go compete as the highest competitive level then you will get hurt via strains, torn muscles, or broken bones as your body is just not used to the direct competition all at once.............Just put it like this, if you don't lift weights for 6 months then you go try and per say bench 225 lbs w/ out warming up, then your probably going to tear some type of muscle...........
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We've had no strains or torn muscles. Broken bones just happen.
 
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utvolpj said:
How many can be attributed to the S&C program? We've just had a run of head injuries, rolled up ankles/knees and linemen getting hit at bad angles. Not sure there's much to do about those
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clearly people need to be fired don't u get it
 
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Over the years Tennessee has become known for injuries. Why, well thats up to experts to figure out. I do know muscles protect joints thru support.

I have always knows Tennessee players look like dough boys when compared to Florida players. I wont even mention Alabama players.. It is the reason our lines cant/dont hold up very well. There is a reason one coach makes 10 times the other.

I live in Florida, I see what they have on daily basis. Trust me, there is little to no fear when Tennessee pops up on their schedule.
 
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When Chris Petersen was still at Boise he brought in rugby coaches to teach his guys how to tackle the way rugby players tackle, which is usually a much safer and more efficient method of tackling. IIRC, it greatly reduced their concussion problems.

He carried it on with him to UW:
The philosophy that transformed Washington's defense

Just something to add to the discussion, it's not all about S&C when it comes to these injuries.
 
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NEOCON said:
Cycle on 3 weeks before the season starts.

Cycle off right after Fl and ride the effects through the remainder of the season as they slowly wear off.
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More like primobolan and Growth hormone so no need to cycle and mess up kids hormone balance. :good!:

and for some better aggression add some Mibolerone 30 mins before gametime. :gun:
 
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VolStrom said:
There has been a multitude of different injuries, ankles, concussions, shoulders, knees. If you had one area where guys were getting injured I might agree, but across the board injuries it's probably not the training staff.

Did you also notice how early in the year that it seemed like every one of our opponents were dropping like flies due to cramps? We didn't have that problem. We've just had bad luck I think.
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Bad luck for 4 consecutive seasons? If you recall our players were dropping like flies in Spring that last several years.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I recall someone saying we barely did any hitting before the season. Seems that way too.
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Heard that too. Remember last season when we lost do many players BEFORE the season, and there VN hand wringers went off on Butch and S&C for practicing too rough? This year I think they changed it up, and some are out with pitch forks again.
 
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Hey OP or whoever,
Why not look at the film on every injury from games and simply determine how or what coulda or shoulda been done in the training room to prevent that particular injury.

I'm too lazy, but that way each incident could be more accurately determine.
 
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DeansRedHalo said:
When Chris Petersen was still at Boise he brought in rugby coaches to teach his guys how to tackle the way rugby players tackle, which is usually a much safer and more efficient method of tackling. IIRC, it greatly reduced their concussion problems.

He carried it on with him to UW:
The philosophy that transformed Washington's defense

Just something to add to the discussion, it's not all about S&C when it comes to these injuries.
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I think you're onto something with this. Poor technique is more dangerous and is also more reckless on the field. Wonder how much of that is attributed to all of the missed tackles we've seen this season.

Not saying this is the reason for the injuries, but I think it's reasonable to believe all 3 elements could be at play here (questionable S&C, poor technique, and rotten luck).
 
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livefaith said:
Heard that too. Remember last season when we lost do many players BEFORE the season, and there VN hand wringers went off on Butch and S&C for practicing too rough? This year I think they changed it up, and some are out with pitch forks again.
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If they were ever satisfied, others in their pack would smell weakness and ATTACK! :scare:
 
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livefaith said:
Hey OP or whoever,
Why not look at the film on every injury from games and simply determine how or what coulda or shoulda been done in the training room to prevent that particular injury.

I'm too lazy, but that way each incident could be more accurately determine.
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I posted it just because it was a hot topic this morning on the Swain event
 
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austin_vol said:
While there may be a S&C issue you can't blame him for all.

JRM --has had shoulder issues since he was in high school
Sutton -- can't prevent broken bones
Kirkland -- can't prevent the way he got rolled up on
Sapp -- could possibly argue this one
KMac-- maybe

McDowell & Kendrick -- S&C can't prevent them from getting hit in head the way they did

All of OL -- can't prevent them from getting rolled up on or hit at bad angles
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These guys are being overpowered by stronger teams and the injuries are the indirect result. These injuries are mostly related to strength and conditioning, IMHO.
 
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BJWeeks said:
Alabama pays there strength coach $600,000 per year and we just have interim strength coach $60,000. Swain had good discussion about it this morning and I think Butch has to make a change here in the off-season. Could be a reason for all of the injuries in that we may not be lifting as heavy as we should. Good reason why we are not physical on the line against anyone we play this year. What's everyone think?
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Just to clarify our current Strength coach is an interim and we'll be looking for a new one during the offseason right?
 
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I keep thinking that if we would have been putting teams like Appy State and Ohio away early in the first half, we wouldn't have had to leave our starters in so much in the second half. A team like UT should be able to count on not having to leave the starters in for the whole game against the weaker teams on the schedule.

So in a way, I blame a lot of the injuries on the defensive side of the ball on the offense not getting the job done.
 
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yardboy said:
Over the years Tennessee has become known for injuries. Why, well thats up to experts to figure out. I do know muscles protect joints thru support.

I have always knows Tennessee players look like dough boys when compared to Florida players. I wont even mention Alabama players.. It is the reason our lines cant/dont hold up very well. There is a reason one coach makes 10 times the other.

I live in Florida, I see what they have on daily basis. Trust me, there is little to no fear when Tennessee pops up on their schedule.
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Probably why we couldn't hang with those chiseled gators this season (or even last). We'll get there one day I guess
 
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I think it is a combination of things, most of which has been discussed. He is my take.
1. Some of the injuries have just been bad luck.
2. I do think that all positions should have to wear a certain size shoulder pad. I do think some players don't wear big enough shoulder pads and padding. I can't believe they aren't more strict on this too begin with, some LB's and safeties hardly look like they have shoulder pads on.
3. I do think there may be more emphasis on conditioning than strength, by that I mean more heavy lifting especially for lineman. I say this based on how our lineman look stature wise compared to the best teams, Tim Priest and Kippy Brown were talking on the radio the other morning about how other top teams lineman look thicker overall.
4. I could be wrong here, but I wonder how much close up physical contact we are really doing in pads. This is more probably on the people that make the rules and goes for the nfl also. Limiting the number of practices and how many times you can practice really does make it harder to get into football condition. I don't know the answer but I think we are going to have to figure out how to get bigger, stronger, and faster you have to have it all in this league and the next.
5. They should at least allow teams to work out in pads more than they do know. They could still limit the amount of contact although I think that personally they need to give teams a little more contact time in pads, at the very least allow more contact while in shorts. GBO!!!!
 
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