Stoops/Richt vs Callahan/Weis

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UT4EVER

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Point is that some of us, myself included, get caught up in the "name" of our next coach rather than honestly evaluating ALL candidates for the core qualities that most agree are necessary to be a successful HC..... leadership, work ethic, enthusiam, knowledge, experience(s), and a tremendous desire to succeed (ala BP)!

I don't remember lots of "excitement" in Norman, OK and Athens, Ga over the hirings of Stoops and Richt.... Both of whome were given an "opportunity" to show what many others already knew or predicted.... Yet we still heard the same arguments: "But can Richt recruit?", "Well he's coaching FSU's players!", "But can Stoops recruit?", etc.

Then there was Lincoln, NE and South Bend, IN..... I certainly remember lots of excitement and hoopla coming from those camps!

Therefore, I have looked at myself in the mirror and decided that it's time to re-evaluate my HC "list"..... This new list will now INCLUDE candidates I previously discounted for not being "flashy" enough!

I decided to place candidates into two categories.... Stoops/Richt and Callahan/Weis. I am not predicting what I feel each candidate would become, I am just trying to compare the names we've all been discussing to the situations previously described with the 4 mentioned above......

Stoops/Richt (very little fanfare):
Muschamp, Strong, Kelly, Brewster, Patterson, Peterson, etc

Callahan/Weis (excitement and/or name recognition):
Davis, Leach, Kiffin, Gruden, Smith, Cowher, etc

Who am I to predict..... I would support any of the above. But I must ask, is the "name" and/or "HC experience" really more important than core qualities such as enthusiam, desire, pedigree, etc?

Thanks for reading.
 
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The reason some people in Athens were skeptical about Richt is because he had not HC experience. Great OC, but no HC experience. It seems like UGA hired him for $750,000 a year. He is obviously making more than that now, but he had to prove himself first. He has turned out to be a pretty good coach, but still lays an egg or two almost every season.
 
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UT4EVER said:
Point is that some of us, myself included, get caught up in the "name" of our next coach rather than honestly evaluating ALL candidates for the core qualities that most agree are necessary to be a successful HC..... leadership, work ethic, enthusiam, knowledge, experience(s), and a tremendous desire to succeed (ala BP)!

I don't remember lots of "excitement" in Norman, OK and Athens, Ga over the hirings of Stoops and Richt.... Both of whome were given an "opportunity" to show what many others already knew or predicted.... Yet we still heard the same arguments: "But can Richt recruit?", "Well he's coaching FSU's players!", "But can Stoops recruit?", etc.

Then there was Lincoln, NE and South Bend, IN..... I certainly remember lots of excitement and hoopla coming from those camps!

Therefore, I have looked at myself in the mirror and decided that it's time to re-evaluate my HC "list"..... This new list will now INCLUDE candidates I previously discounted for not being "flashy" enough!

I decided to place candidates into two categories.... Stoops/Richt and Callahan/Weis. I am not predicting what I feel each candidate would become, I am just trying to compare the names we've all been discussing to the situations previously described with the 4 mentioned above......

Stoops/Richt (very little fanfare):
Muschamp, Strong, Kelly, Brewster, Patterson, Peterson, etc

Callahan/Weis (excitement and/or name recognition):
Davis, Leach, Kiffin, Gruden, Smith, Cowher, etc

Who am I to predict..... I would support any of the above. But I must ask, is the "name" and/or "HC experience" really more important than core qualities such as enthusiam, desire, pedigree, etc?

Thanks for reading.
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Amen. I agree 100%. I will support whoever Tennessee hires. Thank goodness it is not my job on the line like Hamilton's is. He knows he has to make a great hire. He will make a good decision.
 
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tennisguy said:
The reason some people in Athens were skeptical about Richt is because he had not HC experience. Great OC, but no HC experience. It seems like UGA hired him for $750,000 a year. He is obviously making more than that now, but he had to prove himself first. He has turned out to be a pretty good coach, but still lays an egg or two almost every season.
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You would think that if Richt doesn't win something (SEC or NC) this year or next he's gonna start feeling the heat.
 
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tennisguy said:
The reason some people in Athens were skeptical about Richt is because he had not HC experience. Great OC, but no HC experience. It seems like UGA hired him for $750,000 a year. He is obviously making more than that now, but he had to prove himself first. He has turned out to be a pretty good coach, but still lays an egg or two almost every season.
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JMBIGORANGE said:
You would think that if Richt doesn't win something (SEC or NC) this year or next he's gonna start feeling the heat.
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Yeap being 2-6 against UF turns up the heat. This was suppose to be GA's year...some may already be wondering if he is the guy to take thme further.
 
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WillisWG said:
Yeap being 2-6 against UF turns up the heat. This was suppose to be GA's year...some may already be wondering if he is the guy to take thme further.
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Bring back Donnan!! :)

Seriously though, the dude was a major shot in the arm for a UGA program that had floundered for a decade under Goff and Donnan. He is also 25-4 in SEC road games which is pretty darn impressive.... BUT, he does seem to lose 1-2 each year that keeps them grounded.
 
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WillisWG said:
Yeap being 2-6 against UF turns up the heat. This was suppose to be GA's year...some may already be wondering if he is the guy to take thme further.
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Anyone suggesting that he is not the man for the job at UGA is a bandwagon fan that wasn't sitting in the stands in the 90's. I think he has definatly turned our program around and already has 2 SEC championships and 3 SEC east titles in 7 years. I know that most people are a win now type of mentality but I am willing to be patient with Richt. He is only averaging 10 wins a season.
 
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Fadeproof said:
Anyone suggesting that he is not the man for the job at UGA is a bandwagon fan that wasn't sitting in the stands in the 90's. I think he has definatly turned our program around and already has 2 SEC championships and 3 SEC east titles in 7 years. I know that most people are a win now type of mentality but I am willing to be patient with Richt. He is only averaging 10 wins a season.
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I agree. I'm just stating that's the way college football is now. The media is the one's that has put the pressure on him. Stafford and Co was supposed to be the ones that got them over that hump and it hasn't happened and it probably won't as long as Tebow comes back next year. Eventually it catches up to you when you're losing to your biggest rival every year (Meyer) just like it did Fulmer. I'm not attacking Richt in any way as i think he's done a wonderful job at UGA. But they barely beat UT and Auburn this year. For a team that was expected to win a NC that's not very good considering how bad UT and Auburn are this year.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
I agree. I'm just stating that's the way college football is now. The media is the one's that has put the pressure on him. Stafford and Co was supposed to be the ones that got them over that hump and it hasn't happened and it probably won't as long as Tebow comes back next year. Eventually it catches up to you when you're losing to your biggest rival every year (Meyer) just like it did Fulmer. I'm not attacking Richt in any way as i think he's done a wonderful job at UGA. But they barely beat UT and Auburn this year. For a team that was expected to win a NC that's not very good considering how bad UT and Auburn are this year.
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Agreed but the preseason ranking is one for the media and fans not for the team. It sure didn't take into account that we would lose 4 tackles to injury or have our best DT out for the season. Lofty expectations where brought on by the media and some unrealistic fans.
 
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Fadeproof said:
Anyone suggesting that he is not the man for the job at UGA is a bandwagon fan that wasn't sitting in the stands in the 90's. I think he has definatly turned our program around and already has 2 SEC championships and 3 SEC east titles in 7 years. I know that most people are a win now type of mentality but I am willing to be patient with Richt. He is only averaging 10 wins a season.
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Fade-he has but there are a few VN posters that will tell you 10 wins ain't what it use to be ( I crack up everytime I see that posted) and SECE titles ain't worth spit.....

Remember CPF had 2 SEC, a NC and averaged 10 in six...then had 4 more SECE titles but all that means nothing
 
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As far as I'm concerned, our rivals in the east have little to no tradition. Florida's traditon begins in the 90s, UGA.... 1980. Tennessee and Alabama are the most storied programs in the SEC. Alabama picked up the ball, now its our turn. NOW, once this happens, you will see the end of UGA keeping competitive in the east and it will once again turn into a UT UF race, much like the 90s. It's not a matter of if, it's when. Sad reality dawg fans.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
As far as I'm concerned, our rivals in the east have little to no tradition. Florida's traditon begins in the 90s, UGA.... 1980. Tennessee and Alabama are the most storied programs in the SEC. Alabama picked up the ball, now its our turn. NOW, once this happens, you will see the end of UGA keeping competitive in the east and it will once again turn into a UT UF race, much like the 90s. It's not a matter of if, it's when. Sad reality dawg fans.
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LOL:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove: no tradition. WOW thanks I needed a good laugh this morning.
 
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Fadeproof said:
Agreed but the preseason ranking is one for the media and fans not for the team. It sure didn't take into account that we would lose 4 tackles to injury or have our best DT out for the season. Lofty expectations where brought on by the media and some unrealistic fans.
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Actually with all those injuries i thought your record wouldn't be as good as it is. You guys definitely have some good young talent there. Richt never lacked in reruiting that's for sure.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
As far as I'm concerned, our rivals in the east have little to no tradition. Florida's traditon begins in the 90s, UGA.... 1980. Tennessee and Alabama are the most storied programs in the SEC. Alabama picked up the ball, now its our turn. NOW, once this happens, you will see the end of UGA keeping competitive in the east and it will once again turn into a UT UF race, much like the 90s. It's not a matter of if, it's when. Sad reality dawg fans.
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UGA has got to much talent to not be competetive and as long as Richt is there they will always have talent. As far as UT is concerned, i would wait to see who our next coach is before i made that type of prediction. Hopefully you're right though.
 
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In my opinion (which does not matter) a hire like Davis or Leach is just a bandaid. They might do better out of the gate but probably will ot be around long. I would rather have a young proven cordinator with fire that might have to learn for a year or 2 but can build towards the future and will be here for a while.
 
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jhen713 said:
In my opinion (which does not matter) a hire like Davis or Leach is just a bandaid. They might do better out of the gate but probably will ot be around long. I would rather have a young proven cordinator with fire that might have to learn for a year or 2 but can build towards the future and will be here for a while.
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A hot young coordinator with fire you say over a proven up and coming HC that has won everywhere he has been? WOW! I guess Kelly and Leach have no fire because they're successful already. What a stupid comment.
 
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I didn't put Kelly in my comment. I'm just saying that Leach or Davis is more apt to leave for the next big paycheck where as a cordinator that is young and falls in love with the program might be around for the longhaul.
 
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jhen713 said:
I didn't put Kelly in my comment. I'm just saying that Leach or Davis is more apt to leave for the next big paycheck where as a cordinator that is young and falls in love with the program might be around for the longhaul.
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I apologize. Davis i agree might jump. Leach i don't know.
 
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A few things about Richt:

Richt was a successful coordinator at a big time program that won games.

Richt was smart enough to hire Rodney Garner as a position coach as well as director of recruiting. This has been his most important hire because the players love Garner.

This has helped UGA secure their borders. The state is full of talent and he is getting most of it.

Richt is a man of character. This is more important than most might think. My best friend's brother played for Richt at UGA. He wasn't a star, but he says that Richt practices what he preaches both to the All-Americans down to the Walk-on's. This gives credibility to him from the players and the support staff.

Richt has transformed UGA's campus. Their football program brings in about 50 million dollars a year and "only" spends about 11 million. A lot of this money has gone into football facilities, but a lot has also gone into the campus itself.

Head coaches are CEO's. They must hire good people around them. They must talk to the media. They must speak well to boosters. They must hold players accountable.

A head coach is only as good as his talent and his staff.

His staff must evaluate talent and teach. HC's don't do as much of that as the OC and DC do.

If you show me a successful program, they will have a) a stud recruiter on staff; and b) a solid OC/DC.

Over the past few years, Richt has seceded control because the demands of the job (outside of football) would not allow him to pay attention to detail. This is also a great trait- knowing when to trust your people (see Weis, Charlie).

Lastly, Damon Evans, UGA AD is 100% supportive of Richt. Basically, it is a well-run organization from top to bottom.

Coaching ability is overrated. Ability to run an organization is not.

Lots of great x's and o's coaches have never been head coaches. There are two reasons for this: 1) they are too good of football coordinators for any one to release them; or 2) they cannot lead as a CEO-type. The don't see the big picture.

Case in point: Monte Kiffin, Charlie Strong, Norm Chow, Tom Moore, Jim Johnson, Rex Ryan etc;

You see this a lot in basketball too. Some of the greatest teachers of the game are assistants, not head men.

There are exceptions to everything. However, I think that UT needs to look for a guy that is a great leader, not necessarily a great coach.


For whatever this is worth....a guy like Cowher is ideal. Some guys can be the top dog....and some can't. Its less about "coaching" and more about leading an organization.

I have spent half my life working in athletics and this is my perception. Feel free to disagree...
 
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Fadeproof said:
LOL:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove: no tradition. WOW thanks I needed a good laugh this morning.
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Trust me, you're not laughing as much as the rest of the nation is at all the UGA fans who think their team could possibly compete with the nation's best.
 
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jhen713 said:
In my opinion (which does not matter) a hire like Davis or Leach is just a bandaid. They might do better out of the gate but probably will ot be around long. I would rather have a young proven cordinator with fire that might have to learn for a year or 2 but can build towards the future and will be here for a while.
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Well i'm not a davis or leach fan at all .....but Alabama had 3 or 4 bandaids before they got reconstructive surgery done by saben.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
Trust me, you're not laughing as much as the rest of the nation is at all the UGA fans who think their team could possibly compete with the nation's best.
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At what point did I say anything about competing with the nations best? On another note we have been ranked and played with the nations best for the better part of this decade. I dont mind people talking trash its all in good fun but if you are going to do atleast be able to back it up.
 
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Fadeproof said:
At what point did I say anything about competing with the nations best? On another note we have been ranked and played with the nations best for the better part of this decade. I dont mind people talking trash its all in good fun but if you are going to do atleast be able to back it up.
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I agree.

Stafford is a mental midget :p
 
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