Steve Kiner's thoughts on AD, Butch

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Kiner, like many of us, has an opinion. but he knows fulmer personally, and i'm sure that's where a lot of this is coming from. hard not to be. i don't really disagree with him, it's not like you can refute the opinion.

but what did get from his opinion is similar to what i think is really going on over there, the indecision and inability to make a decision stems from a lot of personal agendas.

it's not like Kiner offered up any real reasons why Fulmer would be better than blackburn. heck, he didn't have any information on blackburn except to say "yeah, he's a good businesman". very insightful stuff there.

take it for what it is. a fluff piece displaying the affections from one VFL and friend, to the other. nothing in Kiner's comments made be believe any differently about the viability of Fulmer as an AD, or not. all i got out of it is Kiner wants his friend to have the job.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Kiner, like many of us, has an opinion. but he knows fulmer personally, and i'm sure that's where a lot of this is coming from. hard not to be. i don't really disagree with him, it's not like you can refute the opinion.

but what did get from his opinion is similar to what i think is really going on over there, the indecision and inability to make a decision stems from a lot of personal agendas.

it's not like Kiner offered up any real reasons why Fulmer would be better than blackburn. heck, he didn't have any information on blackburn except to say "yeah, he's a good businesman". very insightful stuff there.

take it for what it is. a fluff piece displaying the affections from one VFL and friend, to the other. nothing in Kiner's comments made be believe any differently about the viability of Fulmer as an AD, or not. all i got out of it is Kiner wants his friend to have the job.
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Very well said!
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
If it takes past AD experience to comment on the AD hire then this board would fall immediately silent.
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It's not about commenting it's about attaching more weight to the thoughts of others when they have no experience either. No one would question Kiner on football knowledge but I was just curious why his opinion that his long time friend should be the AD was being taken as gospel
 
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utvolpj said:
It's not about commenting it's about attaching more weight to the thoughts of others when they have no experience either. No one would question Kiner on football knowledge but I was just curious why his opinion that his long time friend should be the AD was being taken as gospel
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it shouldn't. at best, Kiner is a personal reference on Fulmer's resume.:thumbsup:
 
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Seattle Hillbilly said:
Keeping with your logic your points are also meaningless since you obviously have a dislike for Fulmer.
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Difference is I don't have a personal relationship with Fulmer, and my view on his firing comes from results on the field, not a personal dislike. And his emphasis on fundraising makes no sense and shows he doesn't really have a point besides "Fulmer's my buddy".
 
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CountVolcula said:
Just because you worked for a company doesnt mean you know how to run it
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Doesn't mean you don't either. Besides, it's not the "company" it's a division of it that he's been involved with most of his life.

It seems that some don't like the idea just because they don't like him. I don't really care for him, but I have no idea if he'd be a good AD or not.
 
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IMO the smartest move would be Blackburn as our AD.

He has the knowledge and experience and has been trained for our AD position for many years.

Then he could hire Fulmer as his AAD in charge of fundraising as well as appoint Fulmer to oversee whatever else Fulmer might be qualified to do.

Our AD needs to always have a up to date list of qualified coaches and assistant coaches for every sport and maybe Fulmer might be able to help with coach evaluations to keep that list updated.

If it's legal then Fulmer might also become a extra set of eyes to help do HS player evals along with buTch and his staff to help with better recruiting.

I'm not certain Fulmer is right for the AD job but as a AAD and having a Hall of Fame coach working in our AD I think he could certainly add some usefulness in several ways.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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All this "Fulmer as Assistant to Blackburn" talk.....time for a lesson for some of you. Phil Fulmer worked behind the scenes to secure the HC job from Majors when he was having heart surgery. Despite this myth of fulmer as a good ole boy just doing what he can for ole State U....don't be fooled. He is very much a political animal.

He wants the AD job. Period. He's not created all this chaos and instability simply to be blackburn's #2. Don't be naive, people. He's gunning for the AD job and if he doesn't get it he's out.
 
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Blackburn has more experience. And still can use Fulmer and others to help raise funds. We'll see who gets the job. If it's Fulmer than the hire was pure politics.
 
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Behr said:
Doesn't mean you don't either. Besides, it's not the "company" it's a division of it that he's been involved with most of his life.

It seems that some don't like the idea just because they don't like him. I don't really care for him, but I have no idea if he'd be a good AD or not.
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I have no qualms with Phil personally. Im for whoever best fits the job and is a piece that can help get the people back together that matter.

I think Phil would fit in well in a similar role to what Spurrier is doing at UF. Which is based more in the "division" he worked in. I think Blackburn is the better fit for the AD, mainly because of your last remark.
 
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utvolpj said:
There's a difference in knowing football and running a $100mil+ organization.
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And there is also a difference in between being a message board poster and really knowing anything about what each candidate truly brings to the table. That goes for 99% of posters sometimes including myself. LOL!!!! GBO!!!!
 
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Jeeezus, Volnation is a place of tension as of late. Hopefully we all get some much needed Valentine loving tonight :yes:
 
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Volfan76 said:
This is the same mentality that has led to the demise of UT football. Hire the "UT" guy because he "loves" the university and lower the expectations. Hasn't cut it before...won't cut it now.
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Correct me if Im wrong but wasnt Phil the last guy we hired that did have "love"/ for the university and there was obvious success there. We have hired outside of that since then and its a total **** show.
 
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JoeVols said:
All this "Fulmer as Assistant to Blackburn" talk.....time for a lesson for some of you. Phil Fulmer worked behind the scenes to secure the HC job from Majors when he was having heart surgery. Despite this myth of fulmer as a good ole boy just doing what he can for ole State U....don't be fooled. He is very much a political animal.

He wants the AD job. Period. He's not created all this chaos and instability simply to be blackburn's #2. Don't be naive, people. He's gunning for the AD job and if he doesn't get it he's out.
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As opposed to what he's doing CURRENTLY? At his age, I doubt he has an all or nothing mentality. If so, who cares?
 
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jakez4ut said:
Kiner, like many of us, has an opinion. but he knows fulmer personally, and i'm sure that's where a lot of this is coming from. hard not to be. i don't really disagree with him, it's not like you can refute the opinion.

but what did get from his opinion is similar to what i think is really going on over there, the indecision and inability to make a decision stems from a lot of personal agendas.

it's not like Kiner offered up any real reasons why Fulmer would be better than blackburn. heck, he didn't have any information on blackburn except to say "yeah, he's a good businesman". very insightful stuff there.

take it for what it is. a fluff piece displaying the affections from one VFL and friend, to the other. nothing in Kiner's comments made be believe any differently about the viability of Fulmer as an AD, or not. all i got out of it is Kiner wants his friend to have the job.
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I agree with you regarding Kiner's stance on Fulmer. I think your 2nd paragraph is very telling about the power struggle going on over there.

Kiner's thoughts on Butch I think echo what a lot of Vol fans feel - good coach, not yet sure if he can be great. But at the same time, he (Jones) has done a ton of good things considering how far the program had fallen.
 
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We all like Kiner, but his loyalty to his former teammate is showing.

The old solutions are the present problem. Fulmer is at retirement age now. Keeping his name relevant seems to be the main focus of those promoting him for AD instead of focusing on the future of UT athletics.

This decision shouldn't be that difficult. Blackburn is an experienced AD, who has earned a reputation of accomplishment, and is a product of the university itself. The guy has built a reputation that will lead another big school to make him their AD if UT whiffs on this opportunity to hire him now.

Meaning no offense to Coach Fulmer or his supporters, this hire is too important to be a personal thanks for past services. Six million dollars severance pay was quite generous as a way of saying thanks in that regard.

Does the new chancellor and the selection committee want to send a signal of going forward, or are they satisfied with the familiar UT way that has been the standard since Dickey vacated his position?
 
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butchna said:
As opposed to what he's doing CURRENTLY? At his age, I doubt he has an all or nothing mentality. If so, who cares?
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It's not about "caring". It's just saying that that is how he's approaching this - meaning that there is zero chance he will agree to be the #2 guy. That's not how he operates.
 
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WildTurkey said:
I agree with you regarding Kiner's stance on Fulmer. I think your 2nd paragraph is very telling about the power struggle going on over there.

Kiner's thoughts on Butch I think echo what a lot of Vol fans feel - good coach, not yet sure if he can be great. But at the same time, he (Jones) has done a ton of good things considering how far the program had fallen.
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agree on his opinion of Butch, but even that still stems from the "they fired my friend" standpoint. i'm not sure he'd like any coach we hired, based on that.

that i agree with his opinion doesn't matter. it's probably just made easier to digest since so many are divided on that particular subject.
 
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