Step away from the ledge

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This ending to our season answered the questions I was needing answers too.

Butch is our Mark Richt and that is okay.

We need a Mark Richt right now. We need normalcy and consistency.

Butch will keep a high level of talent in the cupboard for the next coach.

Butch will never be elite because he can't adapt to in game situations.

If his game plan doesn't work from the start then he is in trouble.

His ego won't allow for progression. Even when injuries dictate change, he can't change. The plan works in his mind and the plan is to stay the course.

He is elite at marketing and motivation, but adaptation and change in the face of adversity aren't in his abilities.

He is stubborn to a fault.

Injuries are an issue, but they are an issue for all football teams. We aren't the only team to struggle with major injuries. The data is out there if people are motivated enough to look.

I hate Lane Kiffin, but I recognized quickly that an elite coach can take his pieces and win due to maximizing the strength of his players. Jonathan Crompton wasn't an SEC level QB but Lane made him successful by recognizing his weaknesses and maximizing his strengths.

He has done the same thing with Jalen Hurts this year. He maximized his strengths and kept him away from his weaknesses.

The saying for general neyland was that he could take his and beat yours or take yours and beat his.

Leadership matters and that is the main reason Saban is the best in today's game.

His coaching tree doesn't always equal immediate success due to the fact that his subordinates aren't him.

Butch is going to win 8 to 9 regular season games per year. He's going to make the players that last good men that matter in society. He will not embarrass the program and it's great name.

But, he will never be elite or take us to the top of college football. He does not have the ability to adapt in the face of adversity.

Steve Spurrier is an excellent example of an elite leader. He had zero fear and the drive that few ever possess.

Don't give up on Butch. Don't get down on this team.

Recognize their weaknesses, but praise their strengths.

It's okay to expect results, but don't hurt the program during the process.

Buy your tickets, go to games, purchase apparel, and complain during bad performances. But don't expect Butch to be Saban because no one else in the college football world can live up to those expectations. There are only a small amount of coaches that are close to the level of Saban.

Expect better than what we witnessed today, but don't hurt your program due to false expectations and wearing your heart on your sleeve.
 
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You lost me at "Butch is our Richt."

The train just run off the ledge. I'm just getting close enough to see the impact.
 
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Picture of OP...

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Butch, on his best day, isn't even on the same field as Richt. Are you delusional? Butch Jones is a HORRIBLE coach.
 
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This ending to our season answered the questions I was needing answers too.

Butch is our Mark Richt and that is okay.

We need a Mark Richt right now. We need normalcy and consistency.

Butch will keep a high level of talent in the cupboard for the next coach.

Butch will never be elite because he can't adapt to in game situations.

If his game plan doesn't work from the start then he is in trouble.

His ego won't allow for progression. Even when injuries dictate change, he can't change. The plan works in his mind and the plan is to stay the course.

He is elite at marketing and motivation, but adaptation and change in the face of adversity aren't in his abilities.

He is stubborn to a fault.

Injuries are an issue, but they are an issue for all football teams. We aren't the only team to struggle with major injuries. The data is out there if people are motivated enough to look.

I hate Lane Kiffin, but I recognized quickly that an elite coach can take his pieces and win due to maximizing the strength of his players. Jonathan Crompton wasn't an SEC level QB but Lane made him successful by recognizing his weaknesses and maximizing his strengths.

He has done the same thing with Jalen Hurts this year. He maximized his strengths and kept him away from his weaknesses.

The saying for general neyland was that he could take his and beat yours or take yours and beat his.

Leadership matters and that is the main reason Saban is the best in today's game.

His coaching tree doesn't always equal immediate success due to the fact that his subordinates aren't him.

Butch is going to win 8 to 9 regular season games per year. He's going to make the players that last good men that matter in society. He will not embarrass the program and it's great name.

But, he will never be elite or take us to the top of college football. He does not have the ability to adapt in the face of adversity.

Steve Spurrier is an excellent example of an elite leader. He had zero fear and the drive that few ever possess.

Don't give up on Butch. Don't get down on this team.

Recognize their weaknesses, but praise their strengths.

It's okay to expect results, but don't hurt the program during the process.

Buy your tickets, go to games, purchase apparel, and complain during bad performances. But don't expect Butch to be Saban because no one else in the college football world can live up to those expectations. There are only a small amount of coaches that are close to the level of Saban.

Expect better than what we witnessed today, but don't hurt your program due to false expectations and wearing your heart on your sleeve.

Some good points... but I feel as though this should be read in a safe place... which does not exist around here.
 
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Did OP really say Butch "won't embaress us"?

He might not 'scandalize' us, but he has already more than embaressed us.

UT faithfull might tolerate getting snickered at here and there, and winning forgives allot, but if you're spin makes us the butt of jokes to national media you better win.

We have been embaressed on the field and in the press by Butch Jones.

We're very calm and rationale. This former sunshine pumper realizes he probably wont be fired going into 2017. 10-2 SEC East next year or bust.
 
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This ending to our season answered the questions I was needing answers too.

Butch is our Mark Richt and that is okay.

We need a Mark Richt right now. We need normalcy and consistency.

Butch will keep a high level of talent in the cupboard for the next coach.

Butch will never be elite because he can't adapt to in game situations.

If his game plan doesn't work from the start then he is in trouble.

His ego won't allow for progression. Even when injuries dictate change, he can't change. The plan works in his mind and the plan is to stay the course.

He is elite at marketing and motivation, but adaptation and change in the face of adversity aren't in his abilities.

He is stubborn to a fault.

Injuries are an issue, but they are an issue for all football teams. We aren't the only team to struggle with major injuries. The data is out there if people are motivated enough to look.

I hate Lane Kiffin, but I recognized quickly that an elite coach can take his pieces and win due to maximizing the strength of his players. Jonathan Crompton wasn't an SEC level QB but Lane made him successful by recognizing his weaknesses and maximizing his strengths.

He has done the same thing with Jalen Hurts this year. He maximized his strengths and kept him away from his weaknesses.

The saying for general neyland was that he could take his and beat yours or take yours and beat his.

Leadership matters and that is the main reason Saban is the best in today's game.

His coaching tree doesn't always equal immediate success due to the fact that his subordinates aren't him.

Butch is going to win 8 to 9 regular season games per year. He's going to make the players that last good men that matter in society. He will not embarrass the program and it's great name.

But, he will never be elite or take us to the top of college football. He does not have the ability to adapt in the face of adversity.

Steve Spurrier is an excellent example of an elite leader. He had zero fear and the drive that few ever possess.

Don't give up on Butch. Don't get down on this team.

Recognize their weaknesses, but praise their strengths.

It's okay to expect results, but don't hurt the program during the process.

Buy your tickets, go to games, purchase apparel, and complain during bad performances. But don't expect Butch to be Saban because no one else in the college football world can live up to those expectations. There are only a small amount of coaches that are close to the level of Saban.

Expect better than what we witnessed today, but don't hurt your program due to false expectations and wearing your heart on your sleeve.


The most logical post I've read tonight. Don't visit often because of the negativity, but thanks for writing this. I think you hit the nail on the head.
 
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I guess we should look at it not as a loss to Vandy, but that we gifted them the opportunity to be bowl eligible without needing APR. This may be one of our most charitable moral victories. They say genius is never understood in its own time. I tend to agree, as I really don't understand what Jones is doing. But he's obviously a genius.
 
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Mark Richt won two SEC titles and played for three others. Butch is never doing that. I think Ron Zook is the more apt comparison.
 
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I guess we should look at it not as a loss to Vandy, but that we gifted them the opportunity to be bowl eligible without needing APR. This may be one of our most charitable moral victories. They say genius is never understood in its own time. I tend to agree, as I really don't understand what Jones is doing. But he's obviously a genius.

As is the East wasn't enough, now Florida gets to lose two in a row and still back into the Sugar Bowl over us.

He's obviously prolific and a genius at it.
 
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THis off season, we will lose some key guys to the NFL or to graduation. Our schedule next season included LSU, Ga. Tech, Alabama, UGA & Florida. Defense better improve. Q.B. better be ready to play on day number 1. We better get better assistant coaches during the off season. Players better be coached to be developed and us see measurable improvement in them or bUTch is in trouble.
 
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OP if Butch was anything like Richt, most of us would be happy. But the fact is, he isnt. The SC game built the coffin and the Vandy game hammered the nails in it. There is no positive spin on this. None.

I supported Jones on the SC loss. I talked about injuries and the cancer that was Hurd. That made me completely blind to the fact that SC had a HS SR QB playing in his first SEC game and he looked like a polished veteran. And I could and did look past that. But this game? Against Vandy? Kyle Shummur just had the game of his life and Vandy gained over 600 yards of offense against our defense. There was no second half adjustments. No in game adjustments and when Vandy turned up the heat, we looked like a bunch of deer in headlights. This game should be Butch's Loyd Carr game. There is not an excuse in the world that justifies getting completely azz invaded by a terrible Vandy team with a terrible QB.
 
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I see us beating Indiana State, Southern Miss., U Mass, Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, Georgia Tech, & South Carolina but losing to UGA, Florida, LSU & Alabama Another 8 = 4 season and a decent bowl game victory to make us 9 -4 for the season in 2017.
 
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