Starting QB for next year?

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KBVol said:
False narratives? What the hell are you talking about? I've never, not once back pedaled on my stance regarding Peterman as UTs qb and dont even remember previously having this "discussion" with you. You evidently weren't very convincing and your argument wasn't worth remembering. In short, don't flatter yourself, cause you sure as hell have had no impact on my opinion regarding this subject.

I've said this a million freakin times on here in threads about our qb situation regarding Peterman, and it's the ONLY opinion I've ever expressed.....from what I've read and heard from guys like Hubbs, Brice, Ainge and Swain, Peterman is a great kid, great teammate, hard worker, the kind of kid you want as a part of your program.... but he IS NOT an SEC caliber qb, period. He has some skills , but as Ainge has said several times, he is a good practice player, but just isn't a gamer on Saturdays when the bullets start flying. I think his stat line, unbelievably awful .7 passer rating and 3 turnovers in his only collegiate start back this up. He simply hasn't displayed the temperament needed to play qb at this level. Doesn't mean I don't like him or he's a bad kid. Just means I don't want him taking snaps and trying to lead my favorite college football team. We'll have better options next year, namely Dobbs or Dormady... even the "QB project/athlete" Jennings.

I saw all I needed to see of him last year as a fan to know that I hope he never starts another game for UT as their qb, period. His appearance in relief of Worley at Georgia this year again confirmed and cemented this opinion. I have heard and read repeatedly the following about losing the Georgia game .... "if Worley hadn't gone out those 3 possessions in the 2nd half of the Georgia game, Tennessee would've won". What does that tell you chief?? Hint: they were talking about Peterman's "deer in the headlights" demeanor and fumbled exchange with Lane in the red zone as primary reasons why UT couldn't pull off the upset.

I'm begging you, please get back in here, "call me out" and get me to "backpedal and moderate" like you did last time in some mythical land, far, far away. Bahahaha!
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All that blabber - to obfuscate the fact you are dead wrong.
You are in fact dead wrong about why Dobbs is not #2.
You are in fact hacking Peterman based on your superficial surface impressions derived from a couple quarters played with a broken thumb in a hostile environment and the relentless blitzes with no protection during the Georgia game where Peterman was being drilled before three seconds after the snap.

Further, blaming Peterman for handing the ball to Lane and Lane not taking the ball is asinine. Worley's exchange with Hurd (fumble) in the end-zone cost the game.
 
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It really doesn't matter who starts, you just know in the end they will be using multiple QB's due to bad play and injuries.
 
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A-Millz said:
Anybody but peterman..... Prefer Dobbs or Jennings for a dual threat
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Racist

I think we should have a Native American QB. If he was Cherokee,as I am, he could be a triple threat!! Haha

Edit: I am really kidding. But nonetheless, from what I have read, Dormady and Jennings are both great passers. Both have the ability to move the pocket.
 
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What I think we need in a QB in this system:

1. Protect the ball
2. Have some smarts to not make stupid decisions.
3. Pass first, run second
4. The ability to move the pocket and make throws on the move.

When I think of a true dual threat QB, I think of costly interceptions when passing is their second best attribute. We are obviously trying to put out the "wide receiver U" brand pretty hard. Our recruiting reflects that.
 
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KBVol said:
False narratives? What the hell are you talking about? I've never, not once back pedaled on my stance regarding Peterman as UTs qb and dont even remember previously having this "discussion" with you. You evidently weren't very convincing and your argument wasn't worth remembering. In short, don't flatter yourself, cause you sure as hell have had no impact on my opinion regarding this subject.

I've said this a million freakin times on here in threads about our qb situation regarding Peterman, and it's the ONLY opinion I've ever expressed.....from what I've read and heard from guys like Hubbs, Brice, Ainge and Swain, Peterman is a great kid, great teammate, hard worker, the kind of kid you want as a part of your program.... but he IS NOT an SEC caliber qb, period. He has some skills , but as Ainge has said several times, he is a good practice player, but just isn't a gamer on Saturdays when the bullets start flying. I think his stat line, unbelievably awful .7 passer rating and 3 turnovers in his only collegiate start back this up. He simply hasn't displayed the temperament needed to play qb at this level. Doesn't mean I don't like him or he's a bad kid. Just means I don't want him taking snaps and trying to lead my favorite college football team. We'll have better options next year, namely Dobbs or Dormady... even the "QB project/athlete" Jennings.

I saw all I needed to see of him last year as a fan to know that I hope he never starts another game for UT as their qb, period. His appearance in relief of Worley at Georgia this year again confirmed and cemented this opinion. I have heard and read repeatedly the following about losing the Georgia game .... "if Worley hadn't gone out those 3 possessions in the 2nd half of the Georgia game, Tennessee would've won". What does that tell you chief?? Hint: they were talking about Peterman's "deer in the headlights" demeanor and fumbled exchange with Lane in the red zone as primary reasons why UT couldn't pull off the upset.

I'm begging you, please get back in here, "call me out" and get me to "backpedal and moderate" like you did last time in some mythical land, far, far away. Bahahaha!
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"In his only collegiate start"

I'm sure of all people, Ainge should know that if we are forecasting careers off of 30 minutes of starting in an hostile environment, he should be the last person to say someone is never gonna be good.
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs showed me a helluva lot more potential, poise and athletic ability in his 4.5 gms than Peterman showed in that dreadful first half at Florida last year. Dobbs, as a frail true freshman who they wanted to redshirt last year, completed nearly 60% of his passes to a well- below- average WR corps and no TE. He set a UT freshman record with 26 completions vs one of the nations top defenses in sacks and turnovers last year in his first start at Missouri.... Josh Smith dropped what would've been Dobbs first td pass and Dobbs also led the team in rushing. He played very well, as a true freshman, to close out the season vs Kentucky and the only game that truly was even remotely in the same stratosphere as Peterman's Florida performance was vs Vandy, when it was later learned he too had injured the thumb on his throwing hand. Still, his numbers were significantly better than Peterman's 5 yds and .7 pass rating.

I don't know what happened with Dobbs this Spring and Summer, not sure why he seemed to not get better or even regress a bit, but as far as what we've in games between him and Peterman, it's not remotely close. It's Dobbs by a mile.
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So Dobbs played well in 4.5 games? You're saying that Peterman was bad in a half game but evey second of Dobbs PT was perfection. Funny because we lost every game but one with Dobbs. To you, It would seem Dobbs made progress since he obviously didn't put up results. How come in 4.5 games, people say Dobbs improved, but say Peterman can never improved like they are soothsayers that can predict the future. IF you are that ignorant, get on Butch's staff and start soothsaying what is gonna happen so we can start winning you piece of crap.
 
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VOLFan65 said:
Dobbs. He had zero talent around him last year outside of our oline. With the receivers we have and Ethan Wolf looking like a future Jason Witten, he could shine. Plus you have to think our D is going to keep us in every game next year. Much faster than we were last year. Give us an oline and we will be tough as heck to beat.
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I forgot about the massive amounts of 5 star upperclassmen playmakers that surrounded Peterman in his start at florida. Oh wait.
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs showed me a helluva lot more potential, poise and athletic ability in his 4.5 gms than Peterman showed in that dreadful first half at Florida last year. Dobbs, as a frail true freshman who they wanted to redshirt last year, completed nearly 60% of his passes to a well- below- average WR corps and no TE. He set a UT freshman record with 26 completions vs one of the nations top defenses in sacks and turnovers last year in his first start at Missouri.... Josh Smith dropped what would've been Dobbs first td pass and Dobbs also led the team in rushing. He played very well, as a true freshman, to close out the season vs Kentucky and the only game that truly was even remotely in the same stratosphere as Peterman's Florida performance was vs Vandy, when it was later learned he too had injured the thumb on his throwing hand. Still, his numbers were significantly better than Peterman's 5 yds and .7 pass rating.

I don't know what happened with Dobbs this Spring and Summer, not sure why he seemed to not get better or even regress a bit, but as far as what we've in games between him and Peterman, it's not remotely close. It's Dobbs by a mile.
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As you were reminded previously, Peterman was playing with a broken thumb while being thrown to the wolves against Florida. You may be ignorant enough to dismiss a four star QB struggling in his first game with a broken thumb, but sensible people are not that foolish.

Your negativity towards Peterman is worse than superficial. It's ignorant.
 
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American Pig said:
All that blabber - to obfuscate the fact you are dead wrong.
You are in fact dead wrong about why Dobbs is not #2.
You are in fact hacking Peterman based on your superficial surface impressions derived from a couple quarters played with a broken thumb in a hostile environment and the relentless blitzes with no protection during the Georgia game where Peterman was being drilled before three seconds after the snap.

Further, blaming Peterman for handing the ball to Lane and Lane not taking the ball is asinine. Worley's exchange with Hurd (fumble) in the end-zone cost the game.
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First off, you'd do well to choose another word other than superficial in your "argument"...it's a poor choice.

Secondly, Peterman's fate as producing the worst D1 qb performance ever seen was well established before his thumb injury in the 2nd qtr last year at Florida. If you wanna say that was the primary reason for his poor play then you're more clueless than any of us can comprehend.

You're in another world chief. You got some irrational, emotional thing going on here. You think Peterman's an excellent choice to replace Worley as our qb next year and I dont. You think the fumble by Hurd-Worley in the Georgia game was Worley's fault but the Lane-Peterman fumble was all on Lane. Got it. Again, we disagree....but I'm fighting with everything I got to not go wobbly and change my opinion/moderate/backdown/reconsider/backtrack/relent......cause man are you ever persuasive.
 
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American Pig said:
As you were reminded previously, Peterman was playing with a broken thumb while being thrown to the wolves against Florida. You may be ignorant enough to dismiss a four star QB struggling in his first game with a broken thumb, but sensible people are not that foolish.

Your negativity towards Peterman is worse than superficial. It's ignorant.
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Recruiting services clearly missed badly with his rating. He's not a D1 qb between the ears, that much is clear. And please remind me again, did Peterman start the Fla game with a broken thumb? Did he have a broken thumb when he miscalled the protection leading to a fumbled exchange with Neal(sorry, I'm sure it was all Neal's fault) at Florida's 15 yd line....the 2nd offensive play of the game? How about the next drive where he led the team on a -5yd drive ending with a fumble? Or the next drive when he threw his first interception? Fact is, there was no evidence that he had an injured thumb until he had a ball flutter really badly out of his hand late in the second quarter. By then, he was already responsible for 4 turnovers and a .7 passer rating. But you just keep on telling yourself that he was handcuffed by Butch starting him in a college football game...how unfair.... and a broken thumb from the game's opening play or whatever it is that you seem to think.

Btw, my negativity is not towards Peterman, it's towards his play. Got nothing against him, only against him being my school's starting qb. Here are his stats as a qb at UT....

18-38, 84 yds, 47% completions, 0 tds, 2 ints...... and I'm the ignorant one, eh?

Put it this way, I also think Dobbs is a great kid, but if that had been him performing out there vs Florida like that instead of Peterman....and Peterman had performed the same as Dobbs did in his starts, I'd be advocating the exact opposite....I'd be pushing to see Peterman next year and I'd be saying that Dobbs just isn't a D1 qb and shouldnt see meaningful snaps as a qb at UT.
 
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My prediction is by the end of the the Bama game the students section will be chanting...

"Pe-ter-man!!! Pe-ter-man!!! Pe-ter-man!!!"

With the cadence and building intensity of a slow clap...
 
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Dormady hasn't been putting up great numbers this year. I don't think he'll see the field next year.
 
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KBVol said:
First off, you'd do well to choose another word other than superficial in your "argument"...it's a poor choice.

Secondly, Peterman's fate as producing the worst D1 qb performance ever seen was well established before his thumb injury in the 2nd qtr last year at Florida. If you wanna say that was the primary reason for his poor play then you're more clueless than any of us can comprehend.

You're in another world chief. You got some irrational, emotional thing going on here. You think Peterman's an excellent choice to replace Worley as our qb next year and I dont. You think the fumble by Hurd-Worley in the Georgia game was Worley's fault but the Lane-Peterman fumble was all on Lane. Got it. Again, we disagree....but I'm fighting with everything I got to not go wobbly and change my opinion/moderate/backdown/reconsider/backtrack/relent......cause man are you ever persuasive.
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'Superficial' describes your assessment perfectly. Of course, shallow, surface level, ill-considered, ill-informed or knee-jerk would also work. Your judgement lacks all major context considerations like playing as a freshman with a broken finger, first start, incessant blitzes, hostile environment, poor blocking.
You witness Peterman being blitzed incessantly by Florida and trying to throw with a broken finger and determine that Peterman is terrible.
You also dismiss Peterman's background as a four star QB earned playing in Florida.

You then blame Peterman for Lane not taking the ball on a handoff, where Peterman placed the ball firmly in his breadbasket and released to Lane's possession - only Lane never covered it up to accept possession. Neither of us knows why Lane refused the handoff.

You seem to believe QB's are like appliances, where you can drop in a new appliance cold and expect it to immediately perform just like the appliance it replaced. You have a superficial understanding of how QB's develop.
 
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KBVol said:
Recruiting services clearly missed badly with his rating. He's not a D1 qb between the ears, that much is clear. And please remind me again, did Peterman start the Fla game with a broken thumb? Did he have a broken thumb when he miscalled the protection leading to a fumbled exchange with Neal(sorry, I'm sure it was all Neal's fault) at Florida's 15 yd line....the 2nd offensive play of the game? How about the next drive where he led the team on a -5yd drive ending with a fumble? Or the next drive when he threw his first interception? Fact is, there was no evidence that he had an injured thumb until he had a ball flutter really badly out of his hand late in the second quarter. By then, he was already responsible for 4 turnovers and a .7 passer rating. But you just keep on telling yourself that he was handcuffed by Butch starting him in a college football game...how unfair.... and a broken thumb from the game's opening play or whatever it is that you seem to think.

Btw, my negativity is not towards Peterman, it's towards his play. Got nothing against him, only against him being my school's starting qb. Here are his stats as a qb at UT....

18-38, 84 yds, 47% completions, 0 tds, 2 ints...... and I'm the ignorant one, eh?

Put it this way, I also think Dobbs is a great kid, but if that had been him performing out there vs Florida like that instead of Peterman....and Peterman had performed the same as Dobbs did in his starts, I'd be advocating the exact opposite....I'd be pushing to see Peterman next year and I'd be saying that Dobbs just isn't a D1 qb and shouldnt see meaningful snaps as a qb at UT.
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Again, you offer your superficial surface impressions of Peterman to declare Peterman mentally unfit for D1 ball. Just ignorant.

You declare Peterman unworthy of the four star National ratings (based on expert assessments of his large body of work). Your basis? Oh, it's your superficial impressions derived from 2 quarters playing with a broken thumb. Peterman's 'meltdown' (wild passes and inability to hold the ball) began after he broke his thumb. He actually played OK before breaking his finger - albeit three dropped passes didn't help.

QB's are not plug-and-play appliances. QB's require development - and a reasonable level of protection to operate.
So yes, your assessment is worse than superficial. It's downright ignorant. You can do better.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
Those of us who have seen Peterman play, yes, we really know that.
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Those of us who have seen Dobbs play think there's no difference between the 2.
With no measurable difference you should defer to Butch who has put him 3rd string. If Peterman and Worley aren't both injured I might agree that we need to see Dobbs
Well we've seen him and I'll I can say is.....he's 3rd string.
 
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Who knows who will be the starter, but there's no way you can judge Peterman by what he did against Florida when he broke his thumb on the second drive of the game. He's a competitor and a leader. He's just gotta get the reps and experience.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
Originally Posted by Coug View Post
Because he's not really third string, he was put there just to redshirt.
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You guys know something false - to be true? That's cute. Illogical, but cute.

Dobbs is not third-string because of some coaches desire to red-shirt him. In fact, Dobbs is third string because Peterman performed vastly better than Dobbs in the summer competition. Peterman outperformed Worley and Dobbs in the passing competition and was challenging Worley for starter. Worley got the nod due to his experience with game management. That's in fact what happened this past summer - while you guys weren't paying attention. You guys need to deal with reality.
 
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If Dobbs would have been the best QB to start the year then he would be playing but Worley was better so then you play Worley let Peterman back him up and red shirt Dobbs who butch wanted to red shirt last year. now I would almost bet that if Worley would have been hurt as bad as we first thought when he went out against Georgia and was out for the year then Dobbs redshirt is without question removed and the better of the two would start.. from what I have seen Dobbs is the better of the two he is more calm in the pocket .
 
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#223
Is our quarterback for 2015 even currently on this team, great new freshman or Juco? If this is the case then who? We must also acknowledge that Peterman is a smart young man with perhaps not much real game experience and certainly no self confidence!
 
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2015 commitment J.Jennings looks better right now in HS than Dobbs and Peterman.. He has really good foot work and mechanics.. I believe he will be in the thick of thing next fall..
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Yes, redshirting Dobbs, giving all the 2nd team reps to Peterman and naming Dobbs 3rd string for the 2nd year in a row clearly point to him as the savior of Tennessee football. So sayeth the Dobbites.
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Whoa. Settle down there. I was just saying that since they redshirted Dobbs it would seem to me that the reason they would do such a thing is because they plan on using him in the future. What's the point of preserving another year of eligibility for someone who will just ride the pine?

By the way, I'm not a "Dobbite". If Josh were the savior of Tennessee football he would be playing now.
 
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