Starting QB Faizon Brandon (Fr)

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What pushes guys on the field is talent, not economics. If you can't afford to be a contender, you just can't, but you HAVE to have the talent on the field, even if they are walk ons, or you're not going to win.

Don't be crazy. If you pay a lot and the car sucks, you don't drive it and get stranded on the road just because you paid so much. You drive the car that will get you where you're going.

Successful teams will play the guys who can get the job done. You give NIL WAAAAAAAY too much power.

If you can't afford to pay for future results, you can't afford to be an elite team.
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Look at Bryce Underwood. He's not been special and yet he started Day 1. In previous years you would probably have seen the less talented upperclassmen get the first shot just to protect a kid who might not be fully ready. But because Underwood is being paid $3 mil/yr that wasn't the case. The financial investment was just too much not to see what he's got immediately.

I'm not saying someone completely unprepared would start over a competent upperclassmen. What I'm saying is finances will force the more highly paid player on the field sooner if things are relatively close.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Look at Bryce Underwood. He's not been special and yet he started Day 1. In previous years you would probably have seen the less talented upperclassmen get the first shot just to protect a kid who might not be fully ready. But because Underwood is being paid $3 mil/yr that wasn't the case. The financial investment was just too much not to see what he's got immediately.

I'm not saying someone completely unprepared would start over a competent upperclassmen. What I'm saying is finances will force the more highly paid player on the field sooner if things are relatively close.
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And you're wrong. Ohio State is likely paying big money for their stack of 5* QBs BECAUSE THEY CAN.

Ohio State stacks talent like GA does and pays them to sit and lets some of them walk because they just pay another one to replace him.

And they win doing it.

If you can't do that in this era, if you're going to have to play a guy because you dropped $2M on him, you aren't ready to be an elite football program.

This is the economic reality. I'm not saying it's good but it is the way to success now.
 
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UT97Vol said:
As a coach I'm not making a decision based on what a 19-yo might do. If Mac decides to hit the portal then CJH may be forced to add a second portal QB. I don't think this is an either or situation. There's more than a binary choice here. He may end up adding two portal QBs anyway. It's very unusual to only be carrying 3 QBs at the collegiate level. Although we do have Mason Phillips on the roster so technically four right now. But I digress. It's a fluid situation and we will see what happens.
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New age in college football. Can’t worry about feelings if you got a position of need. Paying for experience and game tape is going to beat out paying a HS kid. At worse recruit a 5 star QB every other year instead of trying to get one every year or spend all your money on 5* QBs that you won’t get ROI as one will leave

If a stud QB is out there in the portal that wants to come to TN let the chips fall where they may. If GMac leaves then find another QB that’s had playing time at a lower school or conference that just wants to get a shot at the SEC knowing he’s one snap from starting or very least getting paid more than we would’ve at a lower school.
 
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volfan411 said:
I get the Simpson and Manning arguments on sitting and waiting their turn but the last few years starting QB NIL money has skyrocketed. I agree with him in can we afford to pay both Brandon and G-Mac starting dollars?? Then add in we are going to have to pay someone to come in and be a depth piece so I am just not sure the money couldn't be spent on better skill positions players.
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Can they afford it? Yes
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And you're wrong. Ohio State is likely paying big money for their stack of 5* QBs BECAUSE THEY CAN.

Ohio State stacks talent like GA does and pays them to sit and lets some of them walk because they just pay another one to replace him.

And they win doing it.

If you can't do that in this era, if you're going to have to play a guy because you dropped $2M on him, you aren't ready to be an elite football program.

This is the economic reality. I'm not saying it's good but it is the way to success now.
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Where's Ohio State's highly paid 2026 QB recruit? Where was Georgia's 2024 and 2025 highly paid QB recruit?

Nobody signs 5-stars every year. At best its every other year or in our case every 3rd year. The financial commitment to the QB position is too much to recruit an elite prospect every year.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Where's Ohio State's highly paid 2026 QB recruit? Where was Georgia's 2024 and 2025 highly paid QB recruit?

Nobody signs 5-stars every year. At best its every other year or in our case every 3rd year. The financial commitment to the QB position is too much to recruit an elite prospect every year.
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GA signs defensive 5* recruits every year. Kirby uses QBs as mostly game managers who make free mistakes because his defense is usually iron.

Ohio State may yet sign a 5* QB for all I know. They routinely stack 5* WRs also and easily recruit in the top 5 or so every year.

That's how it's done. In this era you buy the best recruits and you win. If you can't afford to have guys sit who are making $1M+, you can't afford to win a Natty.

You're way to cheap for this era. I'm sorry.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Give me examples of highly paid 1st round picks not playing when healthy?
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You don't know that the NFL has limits on rookie contracts? Of course you don't..... I don't know why I ever imagined you would.

But, for instance, Patrick Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith after signing a $10M signing bonus.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Where's Ohio State's highly paid 2026 QB recruit? Where was Georgia's 2024 and 2025 highly paid QB recruit?

Nobody signs 5-stars every year. At best its every other year or in our case every 3rd year. The financial commitment to the QB position is too much to recruit an elite prospect every year.
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Julian Sayin-2024 5*, #3 QB, #20 overall
Tavien St. Clair-2025 5*, #3 QB, #5 overall

They have 5* QBs in back to back classes. St. Clair signed knowing Sayin was there. They’re paying both 5* money.

And what’s more…it’s working. Ohio State is the best program in the country right now. Underwood and Michigan were mediocre this year. I think I’d rather emulate the former than the latter.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
GA signs defensive 5* recruits every year. Kirby uses QBs as mostly game managers who make free mistakes because his defense is usually iron.

Ohio State may yet sign a 5* QB for all I know. They routinely stack 5* WRs also and easily recruit in the top 5 or so every year.

That's how it's done. In this era you buy the best recruits and you win. If you can't afford to have guys sit who are making $1M+, you can't afford to win a Natty.

You're way to cheap for this era. I'm sorry.
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Kirby's dirty secret? Even if you're a 5 star QB, he prefers QBs from the state of Georgia no matter what. Ask Eason. Ask Beck.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Julian Sayin-2024 5*, #3 QB, #20 overall
Tavien St. Clair-2025 5*, #3 QB, #5 overall

They have 5* QBs in back to back classes. St. Clair signed knowing Sayin was there. They’re paying both 5* money.

And what’s more…it’s working. Ohio State is the best program in the country right now. Underwood and Michigan were mediocre this year. I think I’d rather emulate the former than the latter.
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Also, USC has a 5* QB on the bench behind a 3* transfer from UNLV.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Now do Ty Simpson.

Plenty of 5* QBs don’t start as true freshmen and end up doing great.
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Bingo! This is what I was going to tell him as well. He is throwing out a net over all freshman quarterbacks. Some improve some don’t. There were some that wanted Stewart to start over Manning early in his career. And if Colquitt hadn’t went down Manning would have redshirted his freshman year, that was the original plan. And as far as him comparing Arch to Nico that is absurd, it doesn’t mean that Arch will not get better in the next few years and reach his potential. Also the Texas Offensive Line has been a big problem for them this year. He acts like it your a 5 star and you don’t live up to the expectations in year 1 your an automatic bust and that isn’t always the case. GBO
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Give me examples of highly paid 1st round picks not playing when healthy?
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If you'd stuck with "If you're good enough you'll play right away.", few to none would argue with playing that guy.
Rather, you additionally applied "It's a salary based sport now." That has no bearing on whether someone is good enough - ready - to play as a Freshman, or NFL rookie.

If you now want the analogy to be about "highly paid 1st round draft picks", as analogy we'd have to surmise TN should not take two 4*/5* QBs in the same year, knowing at least one of them won't be playing. Or stack them in consecutive years.
No coach is going to do that.

The fact is many NFL rookies don't play their first season, and Heupel would be a fool to not take Brandon on even if he arrives and needs some development time, physically or mentally.
 
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NCFisher said:
If you'd stuck with "If you're good enough you'll play right away.", few to none would argue with playing that guy.
Rather, you additionally applied "It's a salary based sport now." That has no bearing on whether someone is good enough - ready - to play as a Freshman, or NFL rookie.

If you now want the analogy to be about "highly paid 1st round draft picks", as analogy we'd have to surmise TN should not take two 4*/5* QBs in the same year, knowing at least one of them won't be playing. Or stack them in consecutive years.
No coach is going to do that.

The fact is many NFL rookies don't play their first season, and Heupel would be a fool to not take Brandon on even if he arrives and needs some development time, physically or mentally.
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I don't know about not stacking QBs year after year.

Ohio State did Burrow, Haskins, Tate Martell, then Justin Fields in successive years.

They've got 2 5* guys now in successive years.

It's all about having money to burn because they don't slack on getting high dollar recruits at WR or DB either, nor interior linemen.

It's $$$$$$
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
GA signs defensive 5* recruits every year. Kirby uses QBs as mostly game managers who make free mistakes because his defense is usually iron.

Ohio State may yet sign a 5* QB for all I know. They routinely stack 5* WRs also and easily recruit in the top 5 or so every year.

That's how it's done. In this era you buy the best recruits and you win. If you can't afford to have guys sit who are making $1M+, you can't afford to win a Natty.

You're way to cheap for this era. I'm sorry.
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Defensive players and receivers are completely different than Quarterback. Only one QB can play at a time compared to multiple receivers and defenders. Also other positions sub in and out regularly while the QB plays the entire game.

And no Ohio State isn't gonna recruit a 5-star QB this year at the last moment. They dont have unlimited funds. They already have a 5-star redshirt freshman starting and a 5-star true freshman behind him. Use some common sense.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You don't know that the NFL has limits on rookie contracts? Of course you don't..... I don't know why I ever imagined you would.

But, for instance, Patrick Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith after signing a $10M signing bonus.
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Alex Smith was an MVP candidate the year earlier and led them to the playoffs. That's a unique scenario. Most 1st round QBs get drafted to teams that don't have competent starters. Its why they almost always get on the field early nowadays. The era of the 1st round QB sitting his entire rookie season is long gone.

And I know there's a rookie pay scale. The reason young guys will see the field early is the rookie pay scale gives teams a monetary advantage if they have a rookie QB playing at a high level. It gives them flexibility to build a better roster around the rookie QB cause his salary is far less than the experienced franchise QB. So there's actually an advantage to playing a rookie QB over a highly paid veteran.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Defensive players and receivers are completely different than Quarterback. Only one QB can play at a time compared to multiple receivers and defenders. Also other positions sub in and out regularly while the QB plays the entire game.

And no Ohio State isn't gonna recruit a 5-star QB this year at the last moment. They dont have unlimited funds. They already have a 5-star redshirt freshman starting and a 5-star true freshman behind him. Use some common sense.
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I posted elsewhere that they recruited Burrow, Haskins, Tate Martell and Justin Fields in successive years. Not all 5* QBs but all highly recruited.

It's what they do in many positions.

While finances aren't unlimited for many companies of any size, Ohio State is one of the teams that's spending a lot of money and winning because of it.

It was the same with Bama pre-NIL. Stack the talent as deep as you can ...... and win.

If UT wants to compete, we'll spend a lot more money on NIL. I'm NOT saying we should but to win we'll have no choice but to spend much more.

Personally, I think we're spending about right and getting about the right results. We'll have some good years, some bad years, the occasional really bad year and that occasional sweet really good year.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Julian Sayin-2024 5*, #3 QB, #20 overall
Tavien St. Clair-2025 5*, #3 QB, #5 overall

They have 5* QBs in back to back classes. St. Clair signed knowing Sayin was there. They’re paying both 5* money.

And what’s more…it’s working. Ohio State is the best program in the country right now. Underwood and Michigan were mediocre this year. I think I’d rather emulate the former than the latter.
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Are you reading comprehension challenged? I said where's their 2026 5-star QB recruit. I know they have Sayin and St. Clair on the roster. My point was the days of signing a 5-star QB every year are over. At best you get one every other year.

The reason Ohio State has back to back 5-stars is because of unique circumstances. Sayin was a transfer after Saban left Alabama while St. Clair was an in-state 5-star recruit. I'm guessing they were recruiting St. Clair before Sayin transferred to them. I'm sure they would have preferred there were 2 years separating Sayin and St. Clair but they probably stuck with recruiting St. Clair cause he's an in-state kid.

Either way it's because they have 2 five stars in back to back classes that they aren't recruiting another highly touted QB. That would just be too much financial investment in one position. Especially when only one guy can be on the field at a time.
 
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aRmo said:
Pat Mahomes? dude didnt even start until December only because the Chiefs were resting Alex Smith. dude got a 26 million dollar contract to ride the bench all season.
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That was what 8 years ago? How many 1st round QBs have come after that and played right away? And remember that was a very unique situation. Alex Smith was an MVP candidate in 2016 and led the Chiefs to the playoffs. They didn't need a QB. Usually teams picking QBs high in the draft need them which is why they see the field sooner rather than later.
 
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