Starting QB Faizon Brandon (Fr)

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We will grab a portal QB in January then it will be a competiton for who starts. My guess is it will be who transfers in.
 
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LittleVol said:
Offensively this has been a pretty exciting year. Nico in 2024 added a nice run element. Okay pass element.
Joey in 2025 has been those in reverse. 3,000 yards and almost 30 TDs with two more games to play.

If Faizon is the best option, he will have
Veteran Oline.
Veteran WRs
Veteran RBs
Year 4 Ethan Davis and year 2 of the Dorsealer and Brame.

And I said he was good enough a HS junior to be the starting QB at Tennessee.
Hype. All Hype for the moment.

But what about defense? Some nice pieces, but they really need the portal at DT and safety IMO.

* Been watching Faizon for 2 years now. He controls the flow of the game. Yes he can pass for 350 and 4 TDs. Or he can pass for 200 1 TD and rush for 100 yards and 3 TDs on the ground while controlling the clock and the tempo of the game. He has this maturity right now.

We can go to the playoffs with him being-a true freshman as our starting QB.
He’s too good.
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He will redshirt next year. He needs to add 20 to 25 pounds before playing. Besides that, he needs to learn the system.
 
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LittleVol said:
We had the Great Peyton Manning for 4 years.
Casey Clausen for 4 years.
Josh Dobbs for 4 awesome years.
All played as TRUE FRESHMAN.

It’s time we revisit that.
Yeah I want Faizon Brandon to win
- 50 games in his college career. Throw for 14,000 yards and rush for 2,000 and while accounting for 150 TDS


Time to let the big boys that we pay the big bucks -PLAY!
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What's with the "awesome" with Dobbs but not with Peyton or Casey? We were much better for the 4 years with both Manning and Clausen
 
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LittleVol said:
Offensively this has been a pretty exciting year. Nico in 2024 added a nice run element. Okay pass element.
Joey in 2025 has been those in reverse. 3,000 yards and almost 30 TDs with two more games to play.

If Faizon is the best option, he will have
Veteran Oline.
Veteran WRs
Veteran RBs
Year 4 Ethan Davis and year 2 of the Dorsealer and Brame.

And I said he was good enough a HS junior to be the starting QB at Tennessee.
Hype. All Hype for the moment.

But what about defense? Some nice pieces, but they really need the portal at DT and safety IMO.

* Been watching Faizon for 2 years now. He controls the flow of the game. Yes he can pass for 350 and 4 TDs. Or he can pass for 200 1 TD and rush for 100 yards and 3 TDs on the ground while controlling the clock and the tempo of the game. He has this maturity right now.

We can go to the playoffs with him being-a true freshman as our starting QB.
He’s too good.
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None of these things are guaranteed. We will get players in the portal, but we will likely have casualties in the portal as well.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Now do Ty Simpson.

Plenty of 5* QBs don’t start as true freshmen and end up doing great.
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I get the Simpson and Manning arguments on sitting and waiting their turn but the last few years starting QB NIL money has skyrocketed. I agree with him in can we afford to pay both Brandon and G-Mac starting dollars?? Then add in we are going to have to pay someone to come in and be a depth piece so I am just not sure the money couldn't be spent on better skill positions players.
 
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aRmo said:
The only way he starts is if G-Mac gets hurt.
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If that's the truth then they should just do away with the entire rating system for high school players. Otherwise, how does the overall #2 player in the country get outdueled for the starting role by this years 3rd string QB? I can't help but think that if you put those two players in a live game situation but left their names off the back of their jerseys and had no idea if they were a freshman or a senior, one would clearly outshine the other. It's as if everyone is just assuming BF won't be ready "because he's a true freshman." I'll need others to verify my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all of the following played very well, with great stats as TRUE freshman, not redshirt freshman: Sam Howell, Jameis Winston, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts..........if we don't believe BF will be as good as those guys, wtf are we even doing??
 
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Not sure why people question his ability to step in and start. An unknown and unheralded QB from app st stepped in late and won the starting job. A 5* should be able to do the same
 
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thebane5 said:
If that's the truth then they should just do away with the entire rating system for high school players. Otherwise, how does the overall #2 player in the country get outdueled for the starting role by this years 3rd string QB? I can't help but think that if you put those two players in a live game situation but left their names off the back of their jerseys and had no idea if they were a freshman or a senior, one would clearly outshine the other. It's as if everyone is just assuming BF won't be ready "because he's a true freshman." I'll need others to verify my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all of the following played very well, with great stats as TRUE freshman, not redshirt freshman: Sam Howell, Jameis Winston, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts..........if we don't believe BF will be as good as those guys, wtf are we even doing??
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G-Mac was the better QB in fall camp out of the other 2. Hes only 3rd string because they wanted to Red Shirt him this year. Heupel has never started a True Freshman at QB anyways. You guys are getting your hopes up for nothing lol.
 
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aRmo said:
G-Mac was the better QB in fall camp out of the other 2. Hes only 3rd string because they wanted to Red Shirt him this year. Heupel has never started a True Freshman at QB anyways. You guys are getting your hopes up for nothing lol.
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So the fact that he played like crap last weekend should just be discounted? If he's our starter next year........well, just see Cam Ward's comment about the Titans that he made a few weeks ago.
 
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thebane5 said:
If that's the truth then they should just do away with the entire rating system for high school players. Otherwise, how does the overall #2 player in the country get outdueled for the starting role by this years 3rd string QB? I can't help but think that if you put those two players in a live game situation but left their names off the back of their jerseys and had no idea if they were a freshman or a senior, one would clearly outshine the other. It's as if everyone is just assuming BF won't be ready "because he's a true freshman." I'll need others to verify my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all of the following played very well, with great stats as TRUE freshman, not redshirt freshman: Sam Howell, Jameis Winston, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts..........if we don't believe BF will be as good as those guys, wtf are we even doing??
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You seem to think that college ball is like HS ball.

The reason a great player in HS doesn't become a great college player is the competition and development. Suddenly, instead of being the best player in his area, he's just another fish in the pond with guys who've BEEN playing at the next level for a year or two.

It's like Larry Bird used to taunt great athletes when they'd come to the NBA. "You're good but you don't know nothing."

Being a 5* in HS means you're good in high school. It has nothing to do with how you'll adapt to college AND YOU WILL HAVE TO ADAPT.

The idea that someone is "the #2 QB in the country in HS so he's ready to play in college right now" tells me you don't see a difference between high school and college. That's absurd.
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure why people question his ability to step in and start. An unknown and unheralded QB from app st stepped in late and won the starting job. A 5* should be able to do the same
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Even with it being App st, there’s a big difference between a seasoned senior college qb and a true freshman. I don’t think it’s impossible for Faizon to come in and win the job. But I’d be a little surprised
 
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RockyTop140 said:
Even with it being App st, there’s a big difference between a seasoned senior college qb and a true freshman. I don’t think it’s impossible for Faizon to come in and win the job. But I’d be a little surprised
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Which one will be our seasoned QB next season? He won't need to beat out one of those to win the job
 
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LittleVol said:
We had the Great Peyton Manning for 4 years.
Casey Clausen for 4 years.
Josh Dobbs for 4 awesome years.
All played as TRUE FRESHMAN.

It’s time we revisit that.
Yeah I want Faizon Brandon to win
- 50 games in his college career. Throw for 14,000 yards and rush for 2,000 and while accounting for 150 TDS


Time to let the big boys that we pay the big bucks -PLAY!
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UT record in Peyton Mannings freshman year - 8-4
UT record in Casey Clausens freshman year - 8-4
UT record in Josh Dobbs awesome freshman year - 5-7

IF those are you're asprirations have at it.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Now do Ty Simpson.

Plenty of 5* QBs don’t start as true freshmen and end up doing great.
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I think he was signed before NIL became ridiculous. Now they're getting paid more as true freshman than some late round NFL draft picks. Its different when a guy is getting paid 7 figures.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I think he was signed before NIL became ridiculous. Now they're getting paid more as true freshman than some late round NFL draft picks. Its different when a guy is getting paid 7 figures.
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Are cars better now because they are outrageously priced? Houses?

Market value has nothing to do with actual worth. Prices inflate because of market pressure NOT because the player is better.
 
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miket4god said:
UT record in Peyton Mannings freshman year - 8-4
UT record in Casey Clausens freshman year - 8-4
UT record in Josh Dobbs awesome freshman year - 5-7

IF those are you're asprirations have at it.
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I think there's a difference in playing a Fr vs them winning the job. There's also the question of whether another QB would have performed better. Colquitt likely has a better record and Dobbs likely leads the team to a better record from day 1. Just posting "8-4" didn't really make the point you think it does
 
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utvolpj said:
I think there's a difference in playing a Fr vs them winning the job. There's also the question of whether another QB would have performed better. Colquitt likely has a better record and Dobbs likely leads the team to a better record from day 1. Just posting "8-4" didn't really make the point you think it does
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So does Manning get credit for the 11-1 and 10-2 seasons? If he does, he gets credit for the 8-4 too.

You can't have it both ways and say "Well, he was a freshman...." then insist that we'll be fine with a freshman. Can't you see the problem there?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So does Manning get credit for the 11-1 and 10-2 seasons? If he does, he gets credit for the 8-4 too.

You can't have it both ways and say "Well, he was a freshman...." then insist that we'll be fine with a freshman. Can't you see the problem there?
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He started the 11-1 and 10-2 seasons right? But he gets credit for games in 94 he barely played in or didn't start? Ok I guess

The point was that Manning didn't win the starting job and the season likely goes better if he's on the bench for a while. Dobbs likely would have improved the record of he had started. Clausen was the best option and Faizon is the same if he wins the job
 
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utvolpj said:
He started the 11-1 and 10-2 seasons right? But he gets credit for games in 94 he barely played in or didn't start? Ok I guess

The point was that Manning didn't win the starting job and the season likely goes better if he's on the bench for a while. Dobbs likely would have improved the record of he had started. Clausen was the best option and Faizon is the same if he wins the job
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Faizon almost certainly won't win the job and I recall this same crap being said about Harrison Bailey and Nico.

People like to point to outliers, guys who either backed into starting as a freshman, like Peyton, or were "the best option" on a team that would've preferred a better option or the occasional incredibly talented freshman who IS ready.

I hope we don't HAVE to start Faizon because G-Mac isn't ready or because he's the "best option" or we have injuries.

The odds of him being generationally talented enough to start in the SEC as a freshman are long. If we catch lightning in a bottle, wonderful, but betting longshots is a very bad idea.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You seem to think that college ball is like HS ball.

The reason a great player in HS doesn't become a great college player is the competition and development. Suddenly, instead of being the best player in his area, he's just another fish in the pond with guys who've BEEN playing at the next level for a year or two.

It's like Larry Bird used to taunt great athletes when they'd come to the NBA. "You're good but you don't know nothing."

Being a 5* in HS means you're good in high school. It has nothing to do with how you'll adapt to college AND YOU WILL HAVE TO ADAPT.

The idea that someone is "the #2 QB in the country in HS so he's ready to play in college right now" tells me you don't see a difference between high school and college. That's absurd.
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So, with all of your wisdom as a Mr. Know It All, do you have any insights into why the names I mentioned had great success as true freshmen and why you seem to think BF will absolutely and completely suck as a true freshman? Huh? What you got?
 
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thebane5 said:
So, with all of your wisdom as a Mr. Know It All, do you have any insights into why the names I mentioned had great success as true freshmen and why you seem to think BF will absolutely and completely suck as a true freshman? Huh? What you got?
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I didn't say Faizon would suck, not at all. I said, what there is with most jobs is true for being an SEC QB.

THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE!!!!

Very few QBs get up that learning curve quickly in their freshman year of college. That doesn't mean they suck. It means as you level up, you need to learn to adapt to the next level.

Why is this offensive to you?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So does Manning get credit for the 11-1 and 10-2 seasons? If he does, he gets credit for the 8-4 too.

You can't have it both ways and say "Well, he was a freshman...." then insist that we'll be fine with a freshman. Can't you see the problem there?
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First I will offer my two cents that today's game is very different than the one played in the mid-90s.

That said Peyton definitely should not get credit for four losses. Todd Helton started and played most of the games that were lost against Florida and Georgia. Peyton only played sparingly along with Brandon Stewart.

Peyton's first start was against Washington St. As a true freshman Peyton went 8-1 as the teams starter with the only loss that season coming to Bama.
 
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thebane5 said:
If that's the truth then they should just do away with the entire rating system for high school players. Otherwise, how does the overall #2 player in the country get outdueled for the starting role by this years 3rd string QB? I can't help but think that if you put those two players in a live game situation but left their names off the back of their jerseys and had no idea if they were a freshman or a senior, one would clearly outshine the other. It's as if everyone is just assuming BF won't be ready "because he's a true freshman." I'll need others to verify my memory here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all of the following played very well, with great stats as TRUE freshman, not redshirt freshman: Sam Howell, Jameis Winston, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts..........if we don't believe BF will be as good as those guys, wtf are we even doing??
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Jameis Winston was a redshirt freshman.
 
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