Starting 5 on O-line still up in the air per Mahoney today.

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1standgoal said:
A QB running for his life is not the best option in most cases. A line that can provide protection should be the ultimate goal. Juchause a QB can run helps the line because they don't have to block?
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Where Dobbs really helps is DE's can't just lay their ears back and rush a stationary QB in the pocket. This helps the OTs because if the rusher takes an outside route to QB it creates a running lane inside for Dobbs. If the rusher cheats inside he can give up contain. Dobbs "escapabilty" makes the D play more honest. Dobbs needs to work on getting down and not taking hits and running to keep passing plays alive and keeping his eyes down field. In short Dobbs improves our OL by making it a risk to come hard to the QB.
 
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vfl-82-jp said:
no, we can't agree on that. Because we don't know that coach mahoney is the problem.

I'm all about "command responsibility" (if it happens on your watch, you own it") ... But that doesn't mean i'm all about firing the guy in charge simply because he's in charge.

I'd much rather butch do a systemic analysis of the situation, figure out what corrective actions are needed, and then execute those.

In short, what i'm saying: Trust butch. He'll figure it out, and he'll do the best thing for the program.

And that may have nothing to do with firing any coaches.
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all of our upperclassmen are not very good is one problem and it is hard for true fr's to play ol in the sec IS THE OTHER.. We are in a DIFFICULT spot
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
If you're talking about the same rep I saw (I only saw one involving Coleman and Derek), you missed some "hands on." Here's how I saw it play out:

Derek came fast, shooting outside Coleman's right shoulder. Coleman shifted well with him, but then for a brief second stopped moving his legs and his stance got too wide. It looked like Coleman was thinking he could get Derek locked up and stationary...but Barnett was too elusive and wasn't having any of that. He continued around Thomas' outside shoulder, taking the fight even deeper into the backfield. From that point, Barnett had him beat: Coleman got off balance (perhaps helped a little with a discrete tug on his jersey in the direction he was already falling), and Barnett used his lightning speed to get past him and tag the QB.

Yep, Coleman got beat. But it's not like he "didn't get a hand on him." It was his feet, not his hands, that caused him to lose the rep, imo.
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This may be why Coleman may take a step forward. I bet the coaches but Barnett on Coleman specifically.. JMO
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Cat, my gut says it's more mental than physical. At times, he moves like a cat. A huge, tall, hulking cat, but still very nimble. The impression I get is, his mind isn't yet performing all that split-second physics that in the best athletes manifests itself as effortless grace. Could be wrong on that, but that's how it looks to me.
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Hmm. Makes sense. Thanks for the input!
 
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carlos86 said:
Can we all agree that there is chance that Mahoney want be around next season, Debord coaches the O-line and Nick Sheridan will coach QBs???
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Not a sure thing. DeBord is involved heavily with QBs. Sheridan going through test this year. If he passes sure they would love to keep. Doesnt mean Mahoney leaves though. There are other options.

Have to see how they all adapt to DeBord
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not a sure thing. DeBord is involved heavily with QBs. Sheridan going through test this year. If he passes sure they would love to keep. Doesnt mean Mahoney leaves though. There are other options.

Have to see how they all adapt to DeBord
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From what I hear Sheridan is the guy who is hands on with the QBs. Debord spends most of his time roaming from group to group and a very large amount of time with the O-line. Also Sheridan has been influential with the recruitment of QBs.
 
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carlos86 said:
From what I hear Sheridan is the guy who is hands on with the QBs. Debord spends most of his time roaming from group to group and a very large amount of time with the O-line. Also Sheridan has been influential with the recruitment of QBs.
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Sheridan is with QBs 100 percent. Agree all you say about Sheridan.

DeBord told me in March he would spend most of his time with them also. He said he would also work every group. Attend meetings with each position group. He can coach any position full time if he chooses to.
 
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bkdamoron said:
Brett is under the impression that he will not be starting at any position once Jashon is back. How the coaches have come to this decision is beyond me, but that's how it stands right now.
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Tell him to hang in there; I'd think he'd still be in the hunt for at least RT and LG.
 
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bkdamoron said:
Thanks, but that's assuming they want him to be in the hunt (which I believe that they don't based on what they have told him and others).
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All he can do is the best he can do. Everything else is outside his lane. Good luck to him, he and Kerbyson seemed a really fine duo in the two-on-two reps they took together. Maybe things are brighter for him than he can see.
 
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austin_vol said:
What is your best guess as to why they don't want him starting? I mean Thomas is pretty bad
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I dont really know. Butch has never seemed to like him. They have given Thomas every chance at a starting spot, whether he is the best at that position or not. It doesn't make sense, but nothing about this situation surprises me anymore.
 
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bkdamoron said:
I dont really know. Butch has never seemed to like him. They have given Thomas every chance at a starting spot, whether he is the best at that position or not. It doesn't make sense, but nothing about this situation surprises me anymore.
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So likely Starting line up is

Kerby-Mosley-Crowder-Robertson-Thomas ?
 
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It didn't make sense when Kendrick played his absolute best game at Alabama, gave the O-Line a lift, and then he got benched for Gilliam.

I don't understand the thinking behind Kendrick at all. Watching him last year, he was one of our five best linemen. He should be this year. Doesn't make sense at all.
 
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LWSVOL said:
the OL is a unit. I can promise you the feeling about that unit is desperate. putting one or two freshman in the lineup won't lead to a successful unit. It will help groom those freshman (like 2010 did) for the future.

The lack of success this unit is having with the defensive line is not all about our defensive line. The OL is going to struggle due to lacking talent and/or experience. Its a fact and one they have known all along. and they have been trying to get players to step up and perform since Bowl practice started in December. Pushing different guys. Another fact, no one is pushing those guys that start

SEC DLs will be difficult for this OL. We just need to steel ourselves to that. Need to hope Dobbs and RBs can make plays on their own and stay healthy.

JMO
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Thirteen is so much truth in this post that I think people can't accept. Add the loss of Jackson and it's a real mess.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, I still think it's Kerbyson-Kendrick-Crowder-Robertson-Thomas, personally.

We'll see.
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Jack Jones is gonna start. According to Mahoney (in an interview with Knoxville News Media), he's been as impressive in camp as Jashon last year. Kendrick is a natural tackle. If he can't beat out Thomas, then thats on him or the coaches don't know what they're doing.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Jack Jones is gonna start. According to Mahoney (in an interview with Knoxville News Media), he's been as impressive in camp as Jashon last year. Kendrick is a natural tackle. If he can't beat out Thomas, then thats on him or the coaches don't know what they're doing.
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A true freshman starting on the OL is 99% of the time bad news. The 1% being Bama's Robinson.
 
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LWSVOL said:
the OL is a unit. I can promise you the feeling about that unit is desperate. putting one or two freshman in the lineup won't lead to a successful unit. It will help groom those freshman (like 2010 did) for the future.
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Two? Yes. But SEC OL's frequently start Fr these days.

The lack of success this unit is having with the defensive line is not all about our defensive line. The OL is going to struggle due to lacking talent and/or experience. Its a fact and one they have known all along. and they have been trying to get players to step up and perform since Bowl practice started in December. Pushing different guys. Another fact, no one is pushing those guys that start

SEC DLs will be difficult for this OL. We just need to steel ourselves to that. Need to hope Dobbs and RBs can make plays on their own and stay healthy.

JMO
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I would be interested in knowing how much of this is your opinion, the opinion of people you know closer to daily operations, and the opinions of staff.

IF what you say is true then the problem extends beyond personnel. Failure to put even an "average" OL on the field this fall would NOT be a good indicator of the philosophy, development, and/or development of OL's by this staff.
 
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